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Borg "You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile" Picard: "Not right now, I have a headache..."
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McSpanky posted:It works best in "Q Who?" when he's teaching the crew a lesson with alternating smug aloofness and somber import, and "Deja Q" where he's copping his usual self-superior dickhole attitude but without the power to back it up, everyone's just so over him. Deja Q is my overall favorite Q episode just because the humor works so drat well. But my favorite Q moment is from Tapestry. It (arguably) changed my life. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGvUDvZ7KyU I have no particular recollection of my first time seeing the episode; from the airdate it would have been in my junior year of high school. It certainly didn't feel like a life-changing experience. But there were so many times over the next decade or two, in both my personal and professional lives, when my first inclination was to go low-key, to hide, to play it safe. And then I would remember Q, in his ridiculous white God robe: "And he never, EVER got noticed by anyone"... and I would change my mind. Changing my mind thanks to Q has worked out pretty well for me so far. In many ways.
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Jun 22, 2023 05:01
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Atlas Hugged posted:"On the one hand, I could save your life. On the other hand, I could replace part of your brain with cotton candy. Your choice man-who-is-suffering-from-trauma-after-being-brought-back-from-the-dead-and-incapable-of-making-rational-decisions." "Look, buddy, I once treated a guy with suicidal depression by wiping his mind without his consent. Now you want to cooperate with my treatment, or do you want me to get creative?"
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Jun 22, 2023 05:36
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Atlas Hugged posted:I guess O'Brien lives in that barbaric past on a daily basis. A headache-free life is the privilege of officers.
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Jun 22, 2023 05:38
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Powered Descent posted:Deja Q is my overall favorite Q episode just because the humor works so drat well. But my favorite Q moment is from Tapestry. It (arguably) changed my life. This is why I argue that Q isn't humanity's judge, he's actually humanity's shithead defense attorney.
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Jun 22, 2023 05:51
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I've always been curious if the real reason Q doesn't do much in the one DS9 episode he's in and never appears again is because he didn't want to piss off the Prophets, what with Sisko being part Prophet and everything.
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Jun 22, 2023 10:49
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It's because Sisko popped him on the nose like a misbehaving puppy.
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Jun 22, 2023 13:58
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Atlas Hugged posted:Don't remember that line about headaches, but I know O'Brien has a headache in "Fascination" and it's "just a normal headache" so uh headaches are still around. One episode, of Lower Decks ironically, really exemplifies this for me. The episode where Rutherford gets "taken over" by his previous personality, and Tendi notices that somethings off with his behavior. She talks to the doctor, and the doctor is like "yup ok let's investigate" and they go out with Shaxs and try to find him. Never for a moment does the doctor or Shaxs doubt Tendi. She says something is wrong with Rutherford, and they just immediately and without question trust her. Man, that whole episode just kills me every time.
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Jun 22, 2023 15:30
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nine-gear crow posted:This is why I argue that Q isn't humanity's judge, he's actually humanity's shithead defense attorney. I've never thought of it that way but it was sort of implied that he is. You read him as the judge, because he presents himself as one, but that's just the way he chose to present that there's a trial. He's oddly clear that it was the Continuum that's judging Humanity. They're the prosecution, jury, and judge. Q is the guy that successfully mounts the defense, by getting Picard to testify to the jury that Humanity is worthy.
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Jun 22, 2023 15:45
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I'm on to DS9 after my complete watch of TNG. Really impressed by how they were able to hit the ground running with DS9 compared to the first season of TNG. I'm only about 12 episodes in but I really feel like I know the lay of the land already and the stories have been pretty focused on specific dynamics of these few alien races and not all over the place like TNG was.
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Jun 22, 2023 15:47
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Basebf555 posted:I'm on to DS9 after my complete watch of TNG. Really impressed by how they were able to hit the ground running with DS9 compared to the first season of TNG. I'm only about 12 episodes in but I really feel like I know the lay of the land already and the stories have been pretty focused on specific dynamics of these few alien races and not all over the place like TNG was. Sup fellow first timer. I'm just in season 3, so a bit ahead of you. It's a good time. Unrelated, I'd like to think the bell chime in Federation trials came about as a concession to the culture of an otherwise unimportant species that Star Fleet needed to join for border security.
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Jun 22, 2023 16:04
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Another DS9 first-timer here! I'm near the end of Season 2 right now. And yeah, it does feel like the show has a strong sense of what it wants to be from the very beginning, though there are a couple of characters who seem to have shifted a bit from their initial versions (for the better, thankfully).
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Jun 22, 2023 16:16
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Yea not that DS9 is perfect but the first season of TNG is pretty goofy at times. I think I posted about it back when I was going through it, but it was jarring to me that here they were in like the first 3 or 4 episodes of a new Star Trek series and already they're doing the "crew turns into apes" and "crew gets really horny" type storylines that felt more like scraping the bottom of the barrel rather than the beginning of something. Edit: I think the turning into apes episode was a later season but you get my overall point Basebf555 fucked around with this message at 16:29 on Jun 22, 2023 |
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Jun 22, 2023 16:27
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DS9 does sort of change what it wants to be a couple of times, but I've always felt the complaint some had about the first two seasons is overblown and very much from the 'Trek should be zoom zoom zap zap spaceships' crowd. The early seasons are very much set in the context of Bajor rebuilding and it's a really interesting setting.
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Jun 22, 2023 22:10
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I like the idea of the Bajor-DS9 setting and I wish they had developed it into something good instead of changing over to zoom zapping and hard war men
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Jun 22, 2023 22:12
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finished up with season 2 of voyager on the marathon run, "tattoo" remains worst ep, second half of the season apart from "threshold" was consistently alright to good, "deadlock" was my fav, "meld" and "resistance" also scored well I leave you with four words, I'm glad tuvix dead
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Jun 22, 2023 22:27
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DesperateDan posted:finished up with season 2 of voyager on the marathon run, "tattoo" remains worst ep, second half of the season apart from "threshold" was consistently alright to good, "deadlock" was my fav, "meld" and "resistance" also scored well deadlock: harry kim is dead! no, really seriously 100% he is actually dead "but what about the harry kim in the rest of the series" that's the harry kim from one dimension over i'm not making this up
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Jun 22, 2023 22:28
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Eh, I've always felt that's a bit overblown and disingenuous. Like, it's more like the two Boimlers, if one of them had died fighting the Pakleds would it really matter if the other one wasn't the 'original'? (IIRC they basically say it wasn't pre-existing alternate reality, more like Voyager got duplicated.)
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Jun 22, 2023 22:32
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Gaz-L posted:Eh, I've always felt that's a bit overblown and disingenuous. Like, it's more like the two Boimlers, if one of them had died fighting the Pakleds would it really matter if the other one wasn't the 'original'? (IIRC they basically say it wasn't pre-existing alternate reality, more like Voyager got duplicated.) oh it's not a big deal it's just funny. i think the only other thing you could maybe get out of it is a short story in the novelverse about harry kim getting back to earth and finding that his clarinet is a slightly different colour of wood and everything feels ever so slightly incorrect and dealing with the feeling of wrongness. I don't think they needed to make a big deal out of it.
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Jun 22, 2023 22:45
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Arivia posted:deadlock: harry kim is dead! Yes. And they follow this in Star Trek Online where the Kobali corpse snatchers revive the original Kim and what happens is a really loving frustrating Super Mario Bros level unlike anything other where the guy simply cannot get a clue that he is now one of the Kobali.
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Jun 22, 2023 22:58
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To be fair the kobali are kind of hosed up and his reaction to being one is justified.
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Jun 22, 2023 23:17
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People keep forgetting that O'Brien is dead dead also
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Jun 22, 2023 23:30
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Feldegast42 posted:People keep forgetting that O'Brien is dead dead also What happened to O’Brien I’m guessing it’s in a ds9 episode I’ve never seen
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Jun 22, 2023 23:49
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He died of radiation poisoning and was replaced by himself but from several hours in the future.
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Jun 22, 2023 23:51
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Arivia posted:What happened to O’Brien I’m guessing it’s in a ds9 episode I’ve never seen Grand Fromage posted:He died of radiation poisoning and was replaced by himself but from several hours in the future. season 3, episode 17, "visionary". it's a great episode
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Jun 23, 2023 00:04
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I’m telling you guys, every ship needs a couple metaphysicians. It’s a reality where wacky thought experiments are now just on the job accidents.
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Jun 23, 2023 00:11
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Gaz-L posted:DS9 does sort of change what it wants to be a couple of times, but I've always felt the complaint some had about the first two seasons is overblown and very much from the 'Trek should be zoom zoom zap zap spaceships' crowd. The early seasons are very much set in the context of Bajor rebuilding and it's a really interesting setting. About ⅓ of the first season is TNG rejects which do feel very much out of place with what the show became. The trick is the first season is not very long, so you can pretty much count those episodes on one hand.
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Jun 23, 2023 00:39
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Gaz-L posted:DS9 does sort of change what it wants to be a couple of times, but I've always felt the complaint some had about the first two seasons is overblown and very much from the 'Trek should be zoom zoom zap zap spaceships' crowd. The early seasons are very much set in the context of Bajor rebuilding and it's a really interesting setting. The 'Trek should be zoom zoom zap zap spaceships' crowd are the same people who were outraged because they thought that the Odyssey was the Enterprise
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Jun 23, 2023 04:35
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Arivia posted:deadlock: harry kim is dead! That is totally wrong, the scenario is convoluted but if you trace it meticulously you'll learn that Harry Kim is the sole survivor and everyone else on Voyager died.
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Jun 23, 2023 05:17
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Naomi Wildman's mother saw her newborn daughter die and then was handed an exact duplicate from an alternate universe. I'm sure that won't leave her with any lingering trauma or psychological issues about her child!
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Jun 23, 2023 08:07
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Gaz-L posted:Eh, I've always felt that's a bit overblown and disingenuous. Like, it's more like the two Boimlers, if one of them had died fighting the Pakleds would it really matter if the other one wasn't the 'original'? (IIRC they basically say it wasn't pre-existing alternate reality, more like Voyager got duplicated.) I like how in Delta Flyers they pointed out that Janeway's reaction to one of her bridge officers dying is just a "meh"
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Jun 23, 2023 08:56
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Grand Fromage posted:He died of radiation poisoning and was replaced by himself but from several hours in the future. There's also the other episode where he's paranoid about everyone around him and "dies" at the end.
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Jun 23, 2023 09:36
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"Prophet Motive" was the first Ferengi episode that I genuinely liked. It strikes the right balance of humanity and satire without being accidentally hateful with its stereotyping. We have now also established that the Ferengi culture is distinct from the Ferengi race, which is the groundwork necessary for growth and development. This follows Nog's application to Starfleet an episode or two ago. Everything is starting to come together.
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Jun 23, 2023 12:50
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Eighties ZomCom posted:There's also the other episode where he's paranoid about everyone around him and "dies" at the end. That's a very non-standard Trek episode but I love it a lot, because Colm is just completely bewildered for 42 minutes straight. And the replicants were never brought up again.
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Jun 23, 2023 15:44
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All the torture O'Brien episodes are all pretty good, poor sap that he is
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FISHMANPET posted:One episode, of Lower Decks ironically, really exemplifies this for me. The episode where Rutherford gets "taken over" by his previous personality, and Tendi notices that somethings off with his behavior. She talks to the doctor, and the doctor is like "yup ok let's investigate" and they go out with Shaxs and try to find him. Never for a moment does the doctor or Shaxs doubt Tendi. She says something is wrong with Rutherford, and they just immediately and without question trust her. While it serves a narrative function to move the story along (if the senior staff questioned every weirdo thing that happened on their show they'd spend most of their time verifying that there was, indeed, a problem), it does create an atmosphere of trust and openness. Even warp bubble Picard was humoring Crusher's ridiculous suspicions that a Galaxy class starship needs more than two crew members. I think the apotheosis of this is The One With the Transporter Worms, when Barclay - a known crank and freak - gets the senior staff out of bed about these transporter worms. And instead of bitching him out for waking them all up, they immediately treat his concerns as serious and engage in a thorough investigation in to the case of there being some guys in transporter space. As I've watched the three golden age trek series, I've been struck again and again how every crew member is instantly believed and listened to whenever there's a weirdo thing happening. Too much drama is manufactured in sci fi by people disbelieving the one person who is afraid something is going on and has some pretty compelling proof and must convince people that it is going on. Star Trek basically cuts that whole dynamic out, and not only does it streamline stories but it creates an air of supportiveness and trust among the crew.
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Feldegast42 posted:All the torture O'Brien episodes are all pretty good, poor sap that he is Yeah, the O'Brien episodes.
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Angry Salami posted:Naomi Wildman's mother saw her newborn daughter die and then was handed an exact duplicate from an alternate universe. I'm sure that won't leave her with any lingering trauma or psychological issues about her child! The reason she stops appearing after S3 isn't because the writers forgot she existed. She section-8'd her way out of service and is holed up in her quarters just hanging on with the help of what little counseling that ship can provide. Neelix is Voyager's de facto counselor.
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Jun 23, 2023 17:05
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The real job of Starfleet Counselors is to convince people they're still themselves after temporal and transporter shenanigans
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FuturePastNow posted:The real job of Starfleet Counselors is to convince people they're still themselves after temporal and transporter shenanigans Nothing like a night of fiery poops courtesy of Neelix to ground you in the midst of an existential crisis.
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