Final Fantasy XVI: No spoilers! On pain of death by Ifrit

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I said come in!: Jun 22, 2004

The game reviews bringing up the story and characters with regards to the slavery plot, come across as concern trolling and performative to me. It�s way more nuanced than they are making it out to be.

# ? Jun 22, 2023 19:40

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# ? Jun 3, 2024 16:53

ymgve: Jan 2, 2004; Offensive Clock

HampHamp posted:

I'm extremely sensitive to frame drops and yeah quality mode does drop frames quite frequently. The worst offender so far was the very beginning eikon fight and the time you revisit it - I'm pretty sure it was down around 10-15 fps for a while.

I haven't quite got to Lostwing yet, I'm still in the forest, but yeah it's definitely not a locked 30. It's a shame, because it really takes me out of things, but I understand not everyone is impacted by (or even notices) it. I honestly wish I wasn't so sensitive to it. I also find flickering lights and strobes extremely unpleasant to the point of anxiety, which I assume is related.

It was so weird hearing the digital foundry dude gush about it that I almost feel like there's a bug with my system (maybe because it gets confused with a 1080p display?). For the moment I have to play in performance mode because the quality framerate feels horrible.

# ? Jun 22, 2023 19:41

Aramis: Sep 22, 2009

Barely 15 minutes in, there is a dude who's entire life is standing near a fountain and constantly casting water like a flintstones dinosaur appliance.

The game is not exactly being subtle about this.

# ? Jun 22, 2023 19:44

Mordiceius: Nov 10, 2007; If you think calling me names is gonna get a rise out me, think again. I like my life as an idiot!

Danger posted:

Some high falutin games journalist said it goes off the rails towards the end as some sort of criticism. My friend, what game series to you think you are playing?

It's bullshit that FF7 starts with a corporation exploiting the planet and ends with an alien trying to summon a giant meteor to cause a mass extinction event. 2/5 stars.

# ? Jun 22, 2023 19:48

CharlieFoxtrot: Mar 27, 2007; organize digital employees

runaway dog posted:

lol I keep trying to tell my friend who is currently whining about his amazon copy not coming for another 3 hours that the demo is 3 hours long and saves transfer

I was surprised about how seamless it was, I accidentally buttoned through the notice for it and then it was like "yeah just hit continue and jump back in where you left off"

# ? Jun 22, 2023 19:57

Jetrauben: Sep 7, 2011; angered the evil eye lately

I said come in! posted:

The game reviews bringing up the story and characters with regards to the slavery plot, come across as concern trolling and performative to me. It�s way more nuanced than they are making it out to be.

I think, to give them the absolute benefit of the doubt, it's within a common species of criticism which basically amounts to "slavery plots are always about 'how bad would this be if it happened to white people' instead of explicitly representing the most recently relevant examples of real-life slavery, which was heavily racialized?"

The problem with this - among others - is that I honestly get a vibe of Valisthea as being closer to antiquity's totally normalized slave economies than either medieval Europe or American chattel slavery. Like, I get the issues, but I don't think that they're necessarily as damning as the reviewers feel?

# ? Jun 22, 2023 19:59

Shoehead: Sep 28, 2005; Wassup, Choom?
Ya need sumthin'?

I said come in! posted:

The game reviews bringing up the story and characters with regards to the slavery plot, come across as concern trolling and performative to me. It’s way more nuanced than they are making it out to be.

I just hit a scene that I had a visceral reaction to. Just pure disgust. This game is doing its job (we'll see if it pans out)

# ? Jun 22, 2023 20:01

HampHamp: Oct 30, 2006

ymgve posted:

It was so weird hearing the digital foundry dude gush about it that I almost feel like there's a bug with my system (maybe because it gets confused with a 1080p display?). For the moment I have to play in performance mode because the quality framerate feels horrible.

I'm sticking with quality as performance mode is unbearable for me. It is smooth most of the time in quality, much more consistent than performance.

I've found that since getting an OLED frame rate issues are way more noticeable, probably something to do with the way the display updates.

# ? Jun 22, 2023 20:02

VanillaGorilla: Oct 2, 2003

I will say that the criticism that I saw in reviews that I do agree with is that gear and crafting is pretty much an inch deep so far.

Basically there�s always just a �right� answer (buy/craft whatever has the highest stats). There aren�t a lot of decisions to be made, and it�s extremely simple.

Like I got to craft a purple �boss� weapon but there�s nothing obviously different about it and I crafted a straight upgrade like�15 minutes later.

# ? Jun 22, 2023 20:06

bloodysabbath: May 1, 2004; OH NO!

I said come in! posted:

The game reviews bringing up the story and characters with regards to the slavery plot, come across as concern trolling and performative to me. It�s way more nuanced than they are making it out to be.

It�s just what they do now. I wouldn�t think it�s possible but they�ve leaned harder into inane clickbait bullshit than ever before. For Kotaku and Polygon in particular, half their content these days are these stupid goddamned takes and the other half is promoting a porn girl who uses twitch to funnel an audience of children to her paysite. The absolute state of these trash.

# ? Jun 22, 2023 20:06

ImpAtom: May 24, 2007

VanillaGorilla posted:

I will say that the criticism that I saw in reviews that I do agree with is that gear and crafting is pretty much an inch deep so far.

Basically there�s always just a �right� answer (buy/craft whatever has the highest stats). There aren�t a lot of decisions to be made, and it�s extremely simple.

Like I got to craft a purple �boss� weapon but there�s nothing obviously different about it and I crafted a straight upgrade like�15 minutes later.

Yep. That is the entire system. Even the best weapon in the game is like that.

# ? Jun 22, 2023 20:06

SettingSun: Aug 10, 2013

In a way that's just harkening back to the FFs of yore where you just go to the weapon store and pick up your shiny new weapon.

# ? Jun 22, 2023 20:09

Jetrauben: Sep 7, 2011; angered the evil eye lately

ImpAtom posted:

Yep. That is the entire system. Even the best weapon in the game is like that.

To be fair - yeah, what Sun said. FFs with meaningful weapon customization in favor of just iterative stat improvements are actually kind of an outlier.

# ? Jun 22, 2023 20:10

Mordiceius: Nov 10, 2007; If you think calling me names is gonna get a rise out me, think again. I like my life as an idiot!

SettingSun posted:

In a way that's just harkening back to the FFs of yore where you just go to the weapon store and pick up your shiny new weapon.

This game isn't enough like my favorite classic FF games!!!! No - not like that!

# ? Jun 22, 2023 20:11

CharlieFoxtrot: Mar 27, 2007; organize digital employees

ImpAtom posted:

Yep. That is the entire system. Even the best weapon in the game is like that.

Kinda makes sense to me both from an FF14 "gear ilvl is simply linear progression" and clover/platinum "ability customization is the important thing" perspective

# ? Jun 22, 2023 20:11

I said come in!: Jun 22, 2004

SettingSun posted:

In a way that's just harkening back to the FFs of yore where you just go to the weapon store and pick up your shiny new weapon.

FF7 had my favorite gear system. That was fun to break the game with.

# ? Jun 22, 2023 20:11

ImpAtom: May 24, 2007

SettingSun posted:

In a way that's just harkening back to the FFs of yore where you just go to the weapon store and pick up your shiny new weapon.

Eh even in those games you had like elemental effects and such.

It doesn't bother me much, especially since equipment is standardized in Arcade Mode and Cronolith Trials but it does feel pretty drat basic even for FF.

CharlieFoxtrot posted:

Kinda makes sense to me both from an FF14 "gear ilvl is simply linear progression" and clover/platinum "ability customization is the important thing" perspective

Yeah it is basically 14ilvl.

# ? Jun 22, 2023 20:15

VanillaGorilla: Oct 2, 2003

My favorite thing about the story so far is that Clive is - against all odds and stereotypes - the most emotionally aware rpg protagonist of the last 20 years.

There�s been a couple of points where he could have fallen into a tropey response and he didn�t - like when Jill offers to come with him to Rosaria and he�accepts with a measure of humility. I was totally primed for him to act like a chauvinistic dick and he just�didn�t!

Same goes for the next narrative beat when he actually just owns his vulnerability without it having to be some big narrative arc.

# ? Jun 22, 2023 20:16

HD DAD: Jan 13, 2010; Generic white guy.; Toilet Rascal

I don�t know why, but the �Clive� toggle in photo mode is making me laugh.

# ? Jun 22, 2023 20:18

SettingSun: Aug 10, 2013

Oh jeez there's a photo mode? This game is incredibly photogenic...this is dangerous.

# ? Jun 22, 2023 20:20

SirSamVimes: Jul 21, 2008; ~* Challenge *~

VanillaGorilla posted:

My favorite thing about the story so far is that Clive is - against all odds and stereotypes - the most emotionally aware rpg protagonist of the last 20 years.

There’s been a couple of points where he could have fallen into a tropey response and he didn’t - like when Jill offers to come with him to Rosaria and he…accepts with a measure of humility. I was totally primed for him to act like a chauvinistic dick and he just…didn’t!

Same goes for the next narrative beat when he actually just owns his vulnerability without it having to be some big narrative arc.

Except when he isn't (but in a well written way). A while on from your spoiler when the two are turning in for the night, Jill says something along the lines of "I wished upon Metia for your safe return and you came back to me. The heavens must have plans for us." while leaning towards him and he just sits there awkwardly.

# ? Jun 22, 2023 20:21

I said come in!: Jun 22, 2004

VanillaGorilla posted:

My favorite thing about the story so far is that Clive is - against all odds and stereotypes - the most emotionally aware rpg protagonist of the last 20 years.

There�s been a couple of points where he could have fallen into a tropey response and he didn�t - like when Jill offers to come with him to Rosaria and he�accepts with a measure of humility. I was totally primed for him to act like a chauvinistic dick and he just�didn�t!

Same goes for the next narrative beat when he actually just owns his vulnerability without it having to be some big narrative arc.

Exactly it was so good.

# ? Jun 22, 2023 20:21

Risutora: Dec 28, 2006

VanillaGorilla posted:

My favorite thing about the story so far is that Clive is - against all odds and stereotypes - the most emotionally aware rpg protagonist of the last 20 years.

There�s been a couple of points where he could have fallen into a tropey response and he didn�t - like when Jill offers to come with him to Rosaria and he�accepts with a measure of humility. I was totally primed for him to act like a chauvinistic dick and he just�didn�t!

Same goes for the next narrative beat when he actually just owns his vulnerability without it having to be some big narrative arc.

his interactions with gav are so good

# ? Jun 22, 2023 20:22

ImpAtom: May 24, 2007

Gav is a good boy.

# ? Jun 22, 2023 20:24

I said come in!: Jun 22, 2004

ImpAtom posted:

Gav is a good boy.

# ? Jun 22, 2023 20:26

I said come in!: Jun 22, 2004

Also for final fantasy XI fans the crabs are back in 4K.

I said come in! fucked around with this message at 20:31 on Jun 22, 2023

# ? Jun 22, 2023 20:27

Shoehead: Sep 28, 2005; Wassup, Choom?
Ya need sumthin'?

I would kill for Gav, I would die for Gav

# ? Jun 22, 2023 20:29

SirSamVimes: Jul 21, 2008; ~* Challenge *~

I like how Cid just flirts with literally everyone.

# ? Jun 22, 2023 20:34

IthilionTheBrave: Sep 5, 2013

I said come in! posted:

Also for final fantasy XI fans the crabs are back in 4K.

I'm reacting, I'm just not quite sure how yet. I... I need to process this...

# ? Jun 22, 2023 20:37

Risutora: Dec 28, 2006

SirSamVimes posted:

I like how Cid just flirts with literally everyone.

half of the valisthean population are cids exes

# ? Jun 22, 2023 20:41

Unlucky7: Jul 11, 2006; Fallen Rib

EDIT: Good point. Forget it. Removed. VVVVV

Unlucky7 fucked around with this message at 21:17 on Jun 22, 2023

# ? Jun 22, 2023 21:03

Feels Villeneuve: Oct 7, 2007; Setter is Better.

I think it's stupid to speculate on if he's right or wrong without actually playing the game #SorryNotSorry

# ? Jun 22, 2023 21:04

RatHat: Dec 31, 2007; A tiny behatted rat👒🐀!

Ignition is hilarious

# ? Jun 22, 2023 21:07

Books On Tape: Dec 26, 2003; Future of the franchise

What are the three types of xp in the battle reward screen? They have red blue and yellow icons next to them?

# ? Jun 22, 2023 21:15

VanillaGorilla: Oct 2, 2003

Books On Tape posted:

What are the three types of xp in the battle reward screen? They have red blue and yellow icons next to them?

Red is xp

Blue is AP

Yellow is Gil

# ? Jun 22, 2023 21:17

I said come in!: Jun 22, 2004

Jesus, the side quests get really heavy. Don�t let anyone tell you the story is simple.

# ? Jun 22, 2023 21:28

Deified Data: Nov 3, 2015; Fun Shoe

Is there a setting anywhere that gets rid of the "auto-jump" you do at designated "jump spots" for lack of a better word, so you jump manually, or are those animations baked in? Everything about movement in this game feels great but that.

# ? Jun 22, 2023 21:51