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The Lorath/ Cid crossover is going to be really really cool when it happens.
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Lmao of course it's future Joshua (assuming that is who I think it is). I figured it was either a clone Clive or future Clive because that's what Final Fantasy does. Close enough.
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Jun 23, 2023 04:34
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I’m very confused about this early plot stuff. Demo through the sections just after the end of the demo spoilers. I’m really confused about Clive thinking that someone else killed Joshua. I understand he was probably not in control of his actions and likely was having some sort of out of body experience. But he was clearly conscious and observing what was happening and would like, know if he was not in control of his own actions. On top of this, the super secret lore zone, which is in a neutral voice and tells you tons of poo poo that clive has no way of knowing acts like it was someone else as well. So what gives here? Did the game just do a really bad job of showing what was actually happening?
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Jun 23, 2023 04:35
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people in real life do things and experience them as out of body experiences and then dont assign them to themselves. happens a lot with like, drug trips.
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Jun 23, 2023 04:42
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also that whole event is intentionally vague and confusing
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Jun 23, 2023 04:43
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Paul Zuvella posted:I’m very confused about this early plot stuff. Demo through the sections just after the end of the demo spoilers. your name is clive rosfield. you have been treated with mild scorn your whole life because you were incapable of channeling an eikon and your main reason for living is the health and happiness of your little brother. do you choose to believe a) that you turned into a heretofore-unheard of eikon and ripped your brother to bloody shreds in a fit of mindless rage, or b) literally anything else
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Jun 23, 2023 04:45
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Endorph posted:people in real life do things and experience them as out of body experiences and then dont assign them to themselves. happens a lot with like, drug trips. I’m aware of this, but we the audience see exactly what happens, but then the lore zone (tm) acts like we didn’t see what happens. This wouldn’t bother me if it was consistent, but it tells us tons of poo poo that Clive has no way of knowing. It just seems really, really weird for the game to pretend what we saw didn’t happen. Paul Zuvella fucked around with this message at 04:50 on Jun 23, 2023 |
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Jun 23, 2023 04:46
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SirSamVimes posted:also that whole event is intentionally vague and confusing It didn’t seem all that vague or confusing to me, if that’s what they were going for then they didn’t really do a good job Oxxidation posted:your name is clive rosfield. you have been treated with mild scorn your whole life because you were incapable of channeling an eikon and your main reason for living is the health and happiness of your little brother. do you choose to believe a) that you turned into a heretofore-unheard of eikon and ripped your brother to bloody shreds in a fit of mindless rage, or b) literally anything else like my post says, I don’t mind if Clive is in denial, that’s fine and dandy. But the text tells us what happened and then immediately pretends it didn’t. This is a weird narrative “have your cake and eat it too “ moment. You can either have the audience along for the ride with Clive and be in the dark with what happens, or you can have them be informed and be in on the tragedy of it all. But the game doesn’t commit to either and it’s just awkward Paul Zuvella fucked around with this message at 04:54 on Jun 23, 2023 |
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Jun 23, 2023 04:50
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Paul Zuvella posted:I’m very confused about this early plot stuff. Demo through the sections just after the end of the demo spoilers. The scene we saw of Ifrit and Phoenix fighting was secretly Torgal vision. It has the same blurry filter of other times we see from Torgal's perspective, notably in the Benedikta fight if you want an example. And if you recall we start seeing that scene when Torgal's barks rouse Clive's conciousness. The game is pulling a little trick and changing our perspective without our knowledge to deepen the mystery but alas, twas Clive himself who was the beast.
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Jun 23, 2023 04:55
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SyntheticPolygon posted:The scene we saw of Ifrit and Phoenix fighting was secretly Torgal vision. It has the same blurry filter of other times we see from Torgal's perspective, notably in the Benedikta fight if you want an example. And if you recall we start seeing that scene when Torgal's barks rouse Clive's conciousness. The game is pulling a little trick and changing our perspective without our knowledge to deepen the mystery but alas, twas Clive himself who was the beast. Isn't it just Eikon Dominant sidecar vision? I thought it was super telegraphed that Clive is Ifrit because we see the yellow blur as Joshua during the Phoenix sequence. I honestly thought it was supposed to be the clue that told the player we're Ifrit...
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Jun 23, 2023 05:01
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I dunno, but I like my theory better
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Paul Zuvella posted:I’m aware of this, but we the audience see exactly what happens, but then the lore zone (tm) acts like we didn’t see what happens. This wouldn’t bother me if it was consistent, but it tells us tons of poo poo that Clive has no way of knowing. It just seems really, really weird for the game to pretend what we saw didn’t happen. The lore entries stick to Clive’s perspective. And if he doesn’t know something neither does it. Also frankly even knowing what we know there’s still reason at that stage to question events. Who is mystery cloak man who seems to directly trigger Ifrit? How much agency did Clive really have therefore?
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Jun 23, 2023 05:03
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Shard posted:Makes me think of the queen from 9 Evil mothers aside, XVI so far is giving me massive IX vibes in general and I can’t really pinpoint why. It might just be the art direction.
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Jun 23, 2023 05:04
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Captain Oblivious posted:The lore entries stick to Clive’s perspective. And if he doesn’t know something neither does it. Yeah the fact that there is a second Dominant of Fire that other people have seen and not just Clive (so it's not just his imagination) raised enough doubt for me to be uncertain.
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Jun 23, 2023 05:05
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Regardless of what they were showing us, the idea behind that is to provoke curiosity and various emotions. There are two takeways from it, as I see it, "Oh no Ifrit is killing Joshua! Poor Clive is watching! That's bad!" or "Oh gently caress, wait, Ifrit IS Clive, isn't he? gently caress!" Something happened in that scene, and we've got the video game equivalent of an unreliable narrator happening, and as an audience we're left with a question that the story fully intends to pay off later. I get the urge to immediately demand clarity on a thing in the moment, because I've played games and watched shows where poo poo like this doesn't get properly explained or paid off, but just... hang in there, this is being written by a team that generally pays off the things they start.
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HD DAD posted:Evil mothers aside, XVI so far is giving me massive IX vibes in general and I can’t really pinpoint why. It might just be the art direction. I was thinking this is more like FFIV or V. Final Fantasy IX is more of a steampunk & magic setting.
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Jun 23, 2023 05:22
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I thought there was another thread to discuss story spoilers?
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Jun 23, 2023 05:28
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The other thread's OP says it won't have any spoiler tags, so this is the only place safe to discuss the story without risking endgame spoilers.
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Jun 23, 2023 05:30
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I have reached the Final Fantasy part of the game
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CharlieFoxtrot posted:I thought there was another thread to discuss story spoilers? I’ve played like 4 hours of game, why would I go to the spoiler thread for literally anything
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Jun 23, 2023 05:36
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I am curious to see what Clive’s end game Eikon loadout options will be The abilities screen seems structured for 6 Eikons and we know Phoenix/Garuda/Titan/Ramuh are four of them. Shiva I imagine will remain with Jill. That means Bahamut and Odin for the remaining two slots most likely but my question is…do we ever get a proper Ifrit moveset?
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Jun 23, 2023 05:38
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Captain Oblivious posted:I am curious to see what Clive’s end game Eikon loadout options will be Clive has a Shiva moveset in various pre-release promo materials like State of Play.
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Jun 23, 2023 05:42
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Not counting the MMOs because I've never touched them, but I feel like 9 (which I've never replayed and should probably fix that) was the last one before 16 that kind of stuck to fantasy. Like yeah, there's airships and steam-powered stuff and muskets but magic took the place of technology. I think 7 was the only one I've really liked that went past that into literal cars and robots and whatnot. Maybe that stuff was in 9 and I'm just misremembering because it was over a decade ago. Also I know it's totally a nostalgia thing and I'm a sucker but I like the attacks appearing on screen. Like you get to the end of that fight then -Hellfire- appears and it's the most  thing. The
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Jun 23, 2023 05:44
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FF12
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Ibblebibble posted:Clive has a Shiva moveset in various pre-release promo materials like State of Play. Hhhhhuh. Interesting. Beginning to think the ability screen layout is a trick then. Maybe we get the full suite after all?
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Paul Zuvella posted:I’m very confused about this early plot stuff. Demo through the sections just after the end of the demo spoilers. If it helps (spoilers up to garuda fight), his delusion doesn't last very long in gameplay time
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Jun 23, 2023 05:52
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God I hope they give us better rebinding options soon. Type B would be perfect if I could just swap magic and lock on. Then it would be trivial to buffer poo poo mid combo.
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Captain Oblivious posted:Hhhhhuh. Interesting. Beginning to think the ability screen layout is a trick then. If the leaked trophy list is accurate, you get everyone.
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Paul Zuvella posted:I’ve played like 4 hours of game, why would I go to the spoiler thread for literally anything Sorry, your post was clearly marked in terms of timetable, just getting confused by other posts where the entire post is blacked out or they're using vague markers, already clicked on something by accident that i kinda regret, also people not necessarily agreeing on how to number the eikon fights lol
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FF9 has a lot of idyllic green landscapes torn by war. It also has the miasma setting element which is similar to the blight in this game. I feel like the game could use a little more party banter in low-stakes areas. Things like going through fields or walking around towns can feel a little anemic. Jill has barely spoken at all in the hours I've hung out with her. The game is good; the music is wonderful. Some elements still haven't quite clicked yet for me, story-wise. A lot of the action scenes are awe-inspiring, but the story itself has yet to really surprise me after the demo. But the game has been pretty proactive about foreshadowing something and then preemptively being like "yeah it's exactly what you thought it was," so I'm kind of expecting a truly big plot twist to come before too long.
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I’m pretty sure that the thread title says no spoilers. I’m going to summon Ifrit to rain Hellfire down on you all.
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Jun 23, 2023 06:44
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lmao I cannot seem to get this combat timing down at all, facing these big enemies with the spinny sword attacks I have gotten hit 19 out of 20 times even when i do nothing but wait for the attack to dodge lmao
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If you cannot reliably dodge spinny swords just run away until the attack ends.
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The voice acting in this game is really impressive and has carried all the scenes for me so far, even the ones that have been pretty generic. In fact, this is probably gonna be the first FF I willingly play through with the English dub instead of the Japanese. Having tried both versions, not only does the English just seem to fit this whole GoTish aesthetic better, it seems like they literally animated the lipsynch to the English voices instead of the Japanese ones. Which is kinda wild to me, though tbh I haven't played a JRPG in like four years so maybe that's just the norm now. Speaking of the aesthetic though...as interesting as the GoT vibes are and as fun as they'll be to meme on, I'm also glad that this game does in fact stop feeling like GoT very early on and instead definitely settled into feeling like FF by shoving a ragtag resistance against the Empire into the plot as soon as they were able. Well, the GoT vibes will probably return soon, but still.
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BrianWilly posted:The voice acting in this game is really impressive and has carried all the scenes for me so far, even the ones that have been pretty generic. In fact, this is probably gonna be the first FF I willingly play through with the English dub instead of the Japanese. Having tried both versions, not only does the English just seem to fit this whole GoTish aesthetic better, it seems like they literally animated the lipsynch to the English voices instead of the Japanese ones. Which is kinda wild to me, though tbh I haven't played a JRPG in like four years so maybe that's just the norm now. that definitely isnt the norm for JRPGs at all but it is the norm for jp games with bigger western fanbases than JP ones. like sonic does that
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OK I have gotten to the point where it makes very clear that this is from the narrative designers of FF14. (three eikons unlocked) Another Meanwhile... scene after a big narrative threshold lol Really enjoying things so far and would keep on playing if I could... Also unlocked enough of the kit (including upgrading some of the basics I've forgotten about lol) to feel better about things, I guess I'll see how much of that I will be able to pick back up in a month.
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The combat and characters and Ben Starr's performance is gonna win an award(s), no contest. If I had to have criticisms edit: probably can't talk about that one thing. But they had they had to realize it. And many of the sidequests are straight up a previous generation behind in quality. They are bad. After Witcher 3 and now Cyberpunk, these low effort made in a few days fetch quests are unacceptable now. I'm taking a full point off for that. So yeah solid 9/10 game so far, I'm pretty decent into into the 2nd out of 3rd half of the game it seems. Nelson Mandingo fucked around with this message at 08:44 on Jun 23, 2023 |
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Jun 23, 2023 08:41
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i hope these restaurant sidequests pay off with a food animation that they clearly spent 10 million dollars on
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Megasabin posted:I'm not sure I really get the combat in this game. I’ve never played a character action game and am bad at the combat, even though the game is so easy it feels like it really doesn’t matter. I actually had a game over on Clive’s shadow, though that was maybe due to changing the control scheme and constantly hitting the wrong button. But, for what it’s worth, here are my thoughts: The lunge is really good. The magic burst after it immediately knocks down light enemies and sends them flying. It has good AoE, so you can lunge into a group, and easily split them up and bully them one by one with repeated lunges or lunge into shift strike. The basic charged attack doesn’t feel great unless you charge it while doing something else, but the charged uppercut launches enemies and let you get off lots of damage in the air. Upgraded downstab from high enough also has a big AoE, so this is another good strategy against groups. Charged magic is really good in boss fights, since you can charge while dodging, and the charged spell has a backstep with iframes that lets you deal damage while continuing to dodge. I agree combat gets really unreadable if you’re being very aggressive, which makes boss fights slower than they should be. I think the thing to do is to play conservatively at first and just focus on dodging and ranged attacks, then once you know where the big openings are, use those to go nuts with aerial combos.
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Regarding spoilers - people should probably add information about where the spoilers are from. Like adding "(after Clive gets his third Eikon)" or whatever before the spoiler tags, do people know if they're safe.
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