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Mr. Apollo posted:Prigozhin released a video today where he claims that Ukraine never shelled Donbas, only Russia has. He said the whole point of the invasion was that the oligarchs in Russia wanted to install Medvedchuk as President so they could strip Ukraine of resources and businesses. He said the oligarchs weren't just satisfied with Donbas. He goes on to say that the whole "Ukrainian Nazi" thing was made other. He asks, if it was true why did Russia exchange Medvedchuk for Azov POWs. How is this guy allowed to do this? Does he just never drink tea or go near windows?
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Jun 23, 2023 17:05
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Putin prefers his lackeys to always be fighting each other. As long as Wagner guy doesn't mention Putin or blame Putin indirectly, he gets to skate.
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Jun 23, 2023 17:14
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WarpedLichen posted:To me, it just seems like you do that to preempt potential opposition. I hardly think in Putin's Russia, he needed an excuse to lock down. I guess it's arguable if this strengthens his position if that opposition never happens. Before the war, there were outbursts of civil disobedience. See the reaction to Ivan Golunov's arrest, Khabarovsk protests, and from the other end of political spectrum, protests against vaccination and lockdowns. Even actual controlled opposition like CPRF organised protests against voter suppression and electronic voting. None of that now. At best, some military wives are allowed to publicly complain about bad conditions in the military, but they never explicitly oppose the war, and more often outright support it, just don't want their husbands to be shipped to the front without any equipment. New laws that make 'discrediting the army' a criminal have been introduced, and more and more people are arrested for high treason in cases related to the war, too. https://www.bbc.com/russian/features-64542875 The anti-trans bill that bans gender confirming care and that will likely pass very soon is also in many ways became possible thanks to the narratives around fighting the war to protect children from genders. https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/06/02/russia-moves-ban-trans-health-care Russia used to be a personalist autocracy, and the pretence of being a democracy was important to preserve civil order. The war has definitely allowed to start moving closer in the direction of totalitarianism. Boris Galerkin posted:How is this guy allowed to do this? Does he just never drink tea or go near windows? He doesn't criticise Putin. He says Putin is being mislead by oligarchs and weaselly ministers, but himself is still a wise and benevolent ruler. Paladinus fucked around with this message at 19:30 on Jun 23, 2023 |
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Jun 23, 2023 17:14
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https://twitter.com/MassDara/status/1672276639504297985?s=20 Dara Massicot has given her first assessment of the counter-offensive. Good read.
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Jun 23, 2023 18:01
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Boris Galerkin posted:How is this guy allowed to do this? Does he just never drink tea or go near windows? He's literally drinking tea in the video lol.
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Jun 23, 2023 18:02
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Keisari posted:Yeah, these are good points. Yeah, that's just the way our brains are wired. No point in beating yourself up for feeling that way, or scoffing at someone else for expressing it.
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Jun 23, 2023 18:07
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Boris Galerkin posted:How is this guy allowed to do this? Does he just never drink tea or go near windows? He has charmed big grandpa enough with bullshit so he is the only public person in Russia to do the General Lebed style populist theater. Until he actually does something beside PR for himself I cant listen to his speeches without this https://youtube.com/shorts/6pZPBpYYuHk?feature=share fatherboxx fucked around with this message at 18:21 on Jun 23, 2023 |
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Jun 23, 2023 18:13
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Only rumors so far but I'm getting the impression that things are going to come to a head between Wagner and the MOD very soon. https://twitter.com/sumlenny/status/1672308093244325890 e: some video's on telegram coming out, of an alleged missile attack on a Wagner camp by the RuAF. Not linking because of thread rules. Whether the attack really happened or not, Wagner is definitely on the warpath against the MoD. spankmeister fucked around with this message at 19:30 on Jun 23, 2023 |
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Jun 23, 2023 19:24
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The supposed video looks more like a campfire than a missile strike
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Jun 23, 2023 19:28
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TheRat posted:The supposed video looks more like a campfire than a missile strike There is a video appearing on twitter now that absolutely looks like a missile strike on a forest camp, complete with body parts scattered amongst the shredded foliage. I do not recommend watching it. Also, there are a bunch of other rumours flying around about the RU MoD making moves against Wagner and Prigozhin himself: https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1672296842552328196
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Jun 23, 2023 19:34
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https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1672311186275160064 Something is definitely happening
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Jun 23, 2023 19:46
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https://twitter.com/AricToler/status/1672310145496358913 The encampment was previously featured in Wagner videos but would like to see a proper confirmation (and Prigozhin reenacting the finale of Long Good Friday obviously)
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Jun 23, 2023 19:48
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So maybe he isn’t allowed to do this after all 
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Jun 23, 2023 19:48
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spankmeister posted:He's literally drinking tea in the video lol. 
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Jun 23, 2023 19:56
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https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1672314259907158028 If this isn't the Chef talking coup then idk what is.
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Jun 23, 2023 19:56
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https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1672318004393025550 Seems like he wants to go out with a bang
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Jun 23, 2023 19:59
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Starting a new Russian civil war almost exactly a century after the last big one. I'm glad Putin forgot that Russia's worst enemy has often been itself.
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Jun 23, 2023 20:01
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spankmeister posted:https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1672314259907158028 it sounds like he's saying he's going to march to moscow and regime change, but he also says he wants to maintain presidential authority, is he threatening putin or someone else?
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Jun 23, 2023 20:02
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Hopefully they make a big show out of demolishing that ugly rear end Wagner Center and nationalize Eliseevsky shop from under Prigozhin
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Jun 23, 2023 20:06
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LifeSunDeath posted:it sounds like he's saying he's going to march to moscow and regime change, but he also says he wants to maintain presidential authority, is he threatening putin or someone else? He's directly threatening Shoigu.
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Jun 23, 2023 20:06
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Convicted terrorist Igor Girkin seems to think the coup is underway. Fake edit: I'm trying to post a screenshot but imgur upload got removed from awful.app 🥲
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Jun 23, 2023 20:08
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https://twitter.com/DefMon3/status/1672294369334837251 https://twitter.com/DefMon3/status/1672308479451594753 https://twitter.com/DefMon3/status/1672310240329474059 I've also been seeing some conflicting twitter talk about Ukraine managing to down some of the Ka-52 helicopters that are attacking their offensive. I can't tell if it's online copium, so hopefully Ukraine is still making progress. The Russian helicopters seem to have been causing Ukraine some real problems. https://www.businessinsider.com/russias-attack-helicopters-gaining-advantage-over-southern-ukraine-uk-intel-2023-6
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Jun 23, 2023 20:12
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spankmeister posted:He's directly threatening Shoigu. He should just challenge Shoigu to a cage match, it seems to be the latest fad. I just really love the "not saying the big boss is wrong... but every henchman that he has put in charge of this operation for over a year has been criminally incompetent or corrupt... and the boss has done nothing about it... I love the boss!" narrative!
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Jun 23, 2023 20:12
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Bad boyar bomb brigade booed by bald bastard.
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Jun 23, 2023 20:15
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I'm deeply confused. Can someone who has a better handle on Russian discourse explain whether this is meaningful or just more posturing? Edit: To clarify, I'm talking about the most recent video from Prigozhin.
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Jun 23, 2023 20:26
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Nenonen posted:
Hey this isn't the trump thread
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Jun 23, 2023 20:26
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Maera Sior posted:I'm deeply confused. Can someone who has a better handle on Russian discourse explain whether this is meaningful or just more posturing? I don't think anyone knows for sure.
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Jun 23, 2023 20:27
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Maera Sior posted:I'm deeply confused. Can someone who has a better handle on Russian discourse explain whether this is meaningful or just more posturing? Nobody really knows what's going on behind these statements, but there is a lot of speculation https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1672321386050727936 https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1672319660329410561 https://twitter.com/IAPonomarenko/status/1672321872258637825 Something exciting is going on, that's for sure - but at the moment it's a whole lot of talk and not a lot else.
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Jun 23, 2023 20:31
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I guess soon I'll finally find out if I was wrong about Prigozhin's firebrand rhetoric being a convoluted spectacle sanctioned and directed from above with no real-life repercussions.
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Jun 23, 2023 20:31
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https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1672326440195375105 https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1672327141428436992
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Jun 23, 2023 20:36
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quote:🇷🇺 Rybar TG: https://twitter.com/markito0171/status/1672328018063130625 Which foreign country? lol
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Jun 23, 2023 20:38
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Chalks posted:Nobody really knows what's going on behind these statements, but there is a lot of speculation Thanks, I'll try to stick with the sources that are mostly doing translations. I was used to thinking of that sort of rhetoric as empty noise, but it looks like someone might actually want to start something this time. (Who and what they want to start TBD.)
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Jun 23, 2023 20:38
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Maera Sior posted:I'm deeply confused. Can someone who has a better handle on Russian discourse explain whether this is meaningful or just more posturing? Oh, things are happening.
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Jun 23, 2023 20:42
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https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1672329967902904320
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Jun 23, 2023 20:45
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Girkin and Prigozhin have been doing this for as long as I remember them from social media. It has never happened resulted in anything concrete and I am not going to have any expectations now either. But I will gladly admit that I have been wrong when Russia changes official name to Wagner Inc.
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Jun 23, 2023 20:46
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https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1672329674729373696
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Jun 23, 2023 20:47
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*edit* beaten!
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Jun 23, 2023 20:48
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Now it depends on what the necessary measures are. Greasing the window hinges? Writing a polite note to cease and desist?
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Jun 23, 2023 20:50
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I'll tell you I didn't see this on my bingo card. I don't see this ultimately going well for Prigozhin but this is going to cause a lot of problems for Putin and the Russian government. Prigozhin and Wagner is not something they can just memory hole nor is fighting a war against two fronts, especially when one of them is basically on top of you.
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Jun 23, 2023 20:53
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https://www.currenttime.tv/a/zelenskiy-borisov/32472727.html In news from the other side: today Zelensky has fired Evgenii Borisov, the military commissar of Odessa, hot on the heels of a big investigation by Ukrainian Pravda (video, in ukrainian) that unearthed a lot of luxury property in Spain owned by several corrupt figures, including that guy. Odessa was the source of the loudest scandals and viral stories connected with mobilization in Ukraine - videos of press gangs, shaking down recruits for money etc. Good on Ukraine to take action on that front.
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