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Speaking of T Corp, it does seem like the T Corp soldiers were only in a few battles for the chapter. What’s the over/under that some future chapter’s going to have us mixing it up in District T?
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I feel like the fact Don idolises Fixers (especially colors) and wants to be one would suggest she isn't already a really powerful Fixer secretly.
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Jun 22, 2023 18:47
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So, if you look at the map: Ishmael's chapter is 100% going to involve water in some capacity. We're in K Corp's Nest. There are two Districts that border K Corp and also the ocean in the map: U Corp's... and T Corp's.
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Jun 22, 2023 18:47
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I may be misremembering, but was all of the League of Nine stuff explicitly within T-Corp's nest, as opposed to their overall district? I was under the impression that most corps have extensive facilities outside of their actual nest--things like the T-Corp Child Labor Factories aren't inside the Nest. I also imagine that T-Corp's nest is probably A-OK if you aren't dedicating yourself to making a doomed moral stand. Probably they could have sold out to T-Corp (or another corp) at basically any time and done well for themselves, but they chose not to, and the City is purpose-built to try and grind that kind of impulse out of humanity, because the cruelty is the entire point. That's capitalism for you!
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Jun 22, 2023 18:50
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LostRook posted:It's been said that the process of becoming a sinner has made all of them less than what they were, so it doesn't seem incongruent there. It doesn't counter the original's chivalric themes, exactly, but it does go against the scale it operates at. Don Quixote is the story of one chucklefuck who owns land who decides to wander around the countryside with his buddy. Don being a former Color would be like the novel Don Quixote being a general in the Spanish army while he does all of that. It gives his fantasy self enough official recognition and power that the vibes of the whole thing get weird.
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Jun 22, 2023 18:51
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Lord_Magmar posted:I feel like the fact Don idolises Fixers (especially colors) and wants to be one would suggest she isn't already a really powerful Fixer secretly. hell she buys fixer related merch and wanted Heathcliff to cosplay with her at some nerdy fixercon. if you would single out anyone for this type of thing Ryoshu has been shown to be an insane hardass and one of the most skilled/combat proficient sinners, and even she gets cowed when a real color steps in
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Jun 22, 2023 18:56
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spicy take: maybe Charon was a color fixer in some timeline or other
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Jun 22, 2023 19:00
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i mean even Garnet was so that's not very spicy. I could definitely see us getting some souped up limited edition Color IDs sometime down the line
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Jun 22, 2023 19:01
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Lurks With Wolves posted:It doesn't counter the original's chivalric themes, exactly, but it does go against the scale it operates at. Don Quixote is the story of one chucklefuck who owns land who decides to wander around the countryside with his buddy. Don being a former Color would be like the novel Don Quixote being a general in the Spanish army while he does all of that. It gives his fantasy self enough official recognition and power that the vibes of the whole thing get weird. In Demian Sinclair lies about stealing apples which lets Kromer blackmail him into being an errand boy. A certain degree of vibe change seems expected. Don is delusional, she doesn't idolize fixers she idolizes an ideal of fixers completely out of touch with reality, which reflects back on her not seeing herself as a fixer despite demonstrably being one. Junpei posted:So, if you look at the map: Additionally, if the introduction=chapter order theory is correct, after Ishmael is Heathcliff. That would make sense for the most Victorian of Corps.
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Jun 22, 2023 19:08
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Everyone gets certain colors that we saw in TGS so Yi Sang would be Grey (noun), Faust would be Pink, Don is Yellow, Ryoshu is Scarlet, Meursault is Blue, Hong Lu is Cyan, Heathcliff is Purple, Ishmael is Orange, Rodion is Burgundy, Sinclair is Green, Outis is Olive and Gregor is Brown, if they were assigned colors.
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Jun 22, 2023 19:11
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LostRook posted:In Demian Sinclair lies about stealing apples which lets Kromer blackmail him into being an errand boy. A certain degree of vibe change seems expected. I'm pretty sure none of the Sinners are licensed Fixers, Limbus Company isn't a Fixer Office it's something else. We are not, in fact, Fixers. Even if we're doing jobs like Fixers would. Since a Fixer is a specific job. Don idolizes the ideal of Fixers and the Fixers themselves (especially colours, she literally buys their merchanidse) it's more or less the same thing in her mind. But even if she's a Fixer now (which she isn't, because that's a specific job with a specific license) she wasn't one beforehand and certainly wasn't a high up one. Which is the discussion at hand.
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Jun 22, 2023 19:14
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Ishmael was a Fixer when she was on a boat, Ryoshu says as much when they discuss The Contract
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Junpei posted:Ishmael was a Fixer when she was on a boat, Ryoshu says as much when they discuss The Contract Hmmmm, is she still a licensed fixer though, or did she give that up to join Limbus? I honestly didn't catch that moment as it was. Although I do recall now that Ishmael was hopping from Fixer Office to Fixer Office across the City whilst searching for whoever she was searching for until she joined Limbus. But I'm still pretty sure Limbus Company isn't a Fixer Office and so actual Fixer status is individual (and Don doesn't come across as someone who was ever licensed to be that which she idolised). Lord_Magmar fucked around with this message at 19:22 on Jun 22, 2023 |
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I'm pretty sure there was someone besides Ishmael who was also a Fixer previously. Also that while the Sinners are not "Fixers" per se they either had the same age requirement or had to be registered or something. I'm sure of it.
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Lord_Magmar posted:Hmmmm, is she still a licensed fixer though, or did she give that up to join Limbus? I honestly didn't catch that moment as it was. Ishmael and Don are the only Sinners with a Fixer Identification Number (FID). Meaning they were registered fixers, and presumably could be again if Limbus were the sort of thing that could be left.
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Lunatic 0verlord posted:The only reasons I can think of is that T Corp. is either run by sadistic assholes who get kicks out of making everyone in their Nest miserable for the Evulz, OR that the misery of those in their Nest is part of a deal with ANOTHER Wing whose Singularity is fueled by misery and crushed hopes... What is interesting is that the League of Nine immigrated to T Corp from S Corp and no matter what kind of troubles they got into, they never ever thought of going back and actually considered being returned to S Corp as basically fate worse then death. I'm really curious what sort of hellscape S corp is, if they considered T Corp to be that much better in comparison.
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Lurks With Wolves posted:It doesn't counter the original's chivalric themes, exactly, but it does go against the scale it operates at. Don Quixote is the story of one chucklefuck who owns land who decides to wander around the countryside with his buddy. Don being a former Color would be like the novel Don Quixote being a general in the Spanish army while he does all of that. It gives his fantasy self enough official recognition and power that the vibes of the whole thing get weird. However, while Don Quixote is the main character, he's certainly not the most interesting one. There are several side stories that play out along the side that deconstruct chilvaric themes. Also, U District... Underwater?
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God, I finally did it: And I only lost 18% of my facility! I can finally start Ruina, after all these years
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Arzaac posted:God, I finally did it: Congrats.
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The Lord of Hats posted:I may be misremembering, but was all of the League of Nine stuff explicitly within T-Corp's nest, as opposed to their overall district? I was under the impression that most corps have extensive facilities outside of their actual nest--things like the T-Corp Child Labor Factories aren't inside the Nest. My impression was that it was all within T-Corp's Nest as Wings don't really interfere too much with the Backstreets, ranging from ignoring it to cooperation (read: exploitation), so their facilities should be within the Nest. As such, considering the significant presence of T Corp agents and the League of Nine talking about how they are refugees is another point for them being in the Nest.
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Arzaac posted:God, I finally did it: Any d49 you walk away from is a good one. Congratulations.
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https://twitter.com/LimbusCompany_B/status/1672127059861319680 000 K Corp. Class 3 Excision Staff Hong Lu. 00 Lobotomy E.G.O::Red Sheet-Sinclair. I expect neither will be that hot, Hong Lu's only got two hits on both his S2 and S3. At least his CG is super fuckin' rad. We've still got a K Corp Grunt ID and the super Class 3 dudes ID to go.
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Jun 23, 2023 07:38
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The chapter 4 dungeon boss also got updated with story log too.
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GilliamYaeger posted:https://twitter.com/LimbusCompany_B/status/1672127059861319680 Based on Sloshmael, Talisman Sinclair kit should be pretty basic, so he really doesn't seem very impressive. (Although, him having elaborate talisman mechanics and making it clear that it's only Ishmael who sucks, would be hilarious) Hong Lu is 000 and PMs golden boy, so I trust he will have some monster abilities that will make people not care about the number of coins.
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https://twitter.com/LimbusCompany_B/status/1672166208647614464 We've got some major changes to offence/defence levels to prevent massive gaps forming as levels go higher. Instead of a growth level, the offence/defence level will now be the unit's current level with a fixed value added or subtracted (ie a move will have +2 or -3 etc etc). Enemies will also swap to this system once the update rolls out. Personally, I feel like the whole system is kind of superfluous and may as well not be in the game at all.
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Jun 23, 2023 10:21
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It's there to make sure you're not able to clear content until you're at least one order of magnitude away from your enemy's levels, so you can't shirk on EXP coupons. Without that there'd be no reason to ever level up since if you win all coin tosses you don't get hit ever so HP don't matter.
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https://twitter.com/LimbusCompany_B/status/1672172507326214144 And the same ego on two slots of the same sinner?
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BisbyWorl posted:https://twitter.com/LimbusCompany_B/status/1672172507326214144
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TeeQueue posted:It's there to make sure you're not able to clear content until you're at least one order of magnitude away from your enemy's levels, so you can't shirk on EXP coupons. It does mean units like LLCB Ishmael and other with low offensive growths don't get that hosed over in clashes, cause even if they have -3 on skills they don't get hosed with poo poo like 29 base offense.
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BisbyWorl posted:https://twitter.com/LimbusCompany_B/status/1672172507326214144  I made this in two minutes, and will not apologize. 
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BisbyWorl posted:https://twitter.com/LimbusCompany_B/status/1672172507326214144 Wow, she's such a badass she can move an EGO up a grade just by opening her eyes. 
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Lord_Magmar posted:I feel like the fact Don idolises Fixers (especially colors) and wants to be one would suggest she isn't already a really powerful Fixer secretly. Yeah Don was really obviously never a powerful Fixer, and sure as hell wasn't anything close to a Color considering how easily Vergil can handle her
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Colors pretty much have celebrity status, and while you can argue that Roland was way more well-connected than is typical for a fixer, I got the impression that high-ranking fixers have at least some level of general awareness of each other--and Don in particular would have had a reputation for being nuts that would have spread. I don't think she's that much older than Sinclair, and she definitely wasn't prominent as a fixer.
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I'm calling it now, Red Eyes Ryoshu takes up two slots and has a gimmick to getting the higher power version. Also, In the higher power Red Eyes Open she unsheathes her sword the furthest she ever has.
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I suspect Red Eyes' "Open" variant is meant to represent a Sinner being able to connect with an E.G.O. on a deeper level. If there's anyone who I imagine would vibe with the "mother who will tear you the gently caress apart if you touch her baby" Abno, well...
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LostRook posted:Additionally, if the introduction=chapter order theory is correct, after Ishmael is Heathcliff. That would make sense for the most Victorian of Corps. I noticed how Heathcliff was briefly silent during the first shot of Nest T's streets, like if he was holding back some anger. Considering his overall English connections, I wouldn't be surprised if he's from District 15. And ALSO considering his stance on rich people and the EXTREME difference between the way riches and commoners live in Nest T... He may not be from the Nest, but I wouldn't be surprised if T Corp.'s cruelty extends to the Backstreets.
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Probe 17 posted:I suspect Red Eyes' "Open" variant is meant to represent a Sinner being able to connect with an E.G.O. on a deeper level. If there's anyone who I imagine would vibe with the "mother who will tear you the gently caress apart if you touch her baby" Abno, well... My thought was that the normal Red Eyes version will have a passive that upgrades it to the other one under some specific circumstance. We've got skills with variable options already, although it's only on Kurokumo Rodion (who can replace her counter skill with her tier III skill).
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Lord_Magmar posted:My thought was that the normal Red Eyes version will have a passive that upgrades it to the other one under some specific circumstance. Not a bad theory! I just suspect between Ryoshu having literally no non-base E.G.O. aside from FMF and the fact that players who DO have it would get to double-dip HEs like that, they'll be two separate E.G.O. We'll see soon enough!
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TeeQueue posted:It's there to make sure you're not able to clear content until you're at least one order of magnitude away from your enemy's levels, so you can't shirk on EXP coupons.
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GilliamYaeger posted:Wouldn't it be cleaner to just have it be a level check rather than all this nonsense about individual moves having different values? No, because then there'd be basically no difference or variance between how things actually work, and the entire system would be extremely flat. This is basic game design 101 poo poo: You need to have texture and differentiation between functions that otherwise have very similar entry costs, especially if you're creating a scenario where characters have different specialties. It not only wouldn't be "easier" it wouldn't make sense AND it would make for worse gameplay. What you're describing is just Strictly Worse Limbus. To elaborate: It's really important when designing to have different 'levers' you can mess with to modulate power, both during design and during play. By having these offense / defense levels the designers are able to get the benefits of variance and differentiation and ALSO get the ability to tamp a specific power (or entire character) in one direction or another, and then during gameplay it provides design space for buffs and debuffs that scale off of those values. If there was only just a level check, those modifiers would make less sense and be harder to implement and present cleanly, and you couldn't have that distinction between skills. Ariamaki fucked around with this message at 03:01 on Jun 24, 2023 |
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