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Majorian posted:Who, specifically, indicated this and when? US Senate proposes that radioactive contamination of NATO territory caused by Russia be considered as attack on Alliance The US Senate has introduced a resolution which proposes that the actions of Russia, Belarus "or proxy of Russia" be considered as an attack on NATO, if their actions lead to radioactive contamination of the allies' territory. Source: resolution introduced by Republican Senator Lindsey Graham and Democrat Richard Blumenthal, https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2023/06/23/7408120/
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Jun 26, 2023 09:34
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The idea that Ukraine cares about things like "causing problems for their own country's regions" is laughable and assuming way more reasonability than is actually present on that side. We literally know that they've actively considered stuff like attacking into Russia or destroying the recently-destroyed dam (I think Ukraine is still the most likely cause of this, even if it's plausibly just a consequence of disrepair). If anything, the main thing holding them back is probably the possibility of loving up and leaving some sort of smoking gun proving they did it (which could jeopardize Western support). But I don't believe for a second that they wouldn't be willing to cause a bunch of pointless destruction in an area if they felt like reclaiming it was no longer viable.
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Jun 26, 2023 09:34
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Majorian posted:Do you have that article? That sounds pretty wild. Oh it will be easy to find, merely search through FF's old posts.
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Jun 26, 2023 09:35
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Ytlaya posted:even if it's plausibly just a consequence of disrepair Disrepair, ie Russia didn't repair it after Ukraine struck it with missiles.
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Jun 26, 2023 09:37
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Majorian posted:lol so you purposefully lied to Ukraine that NATO would have their back, as a joke? That's cold. I don't have it handy. It was initially posted in Western media, but got scrubbed a few months ago, and now it's only in one place in Ukrainian media that's hard to find because google doesn't like showing you things that aren't Western media. It's been posted in this thread a few times though. It was something about "Ukraine's path to victory in 2023".
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Jun 26, 2023 09:37
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Weka posted:US Senate proposes that radioactive contamination of NATO territory caused by Russia be considered as attack on Alliance So a legally non-binding Senate resolution that isn't going to pass. That's not much. Ytlaya posted:The idea that Ukraine cares about things like "causing problems for their own country's regions" is laughable and assuming way more reasonability than is actually present on that side. They'd be responsible for the cleanup and a huge portion of the country would become economically unviable for a long time (even worse than it already is). They're not gonna do it. (at least on purpose)
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Jun 26, 2023 09:39
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Zeppelin Insanity posted:I don't have it handy. It was initially posted in Western media, but got scrubbed a few months ago, and now it's only in one place in Ukrainian media that's hard to find because google doesn't like showing you things that aren't Western media. Are you talking about this one? Because that dude's a former defense minister, but he was out of office a couple of years before the war even started. Otherwise he's a nobody.
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Jun 26, 2023 09:42
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Majorian posted:Are you talking about this one? Because that dude's a former defense minister, but he was out of office a couple of years before the war even started. Otherwise he's a nobody. No, the one I'm talking about was by Zalhuzny and specifically referenced attacking civilians and getting nuked being worth it to win the war.
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Jun 26, 2023 09:44
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Weka posted:US Senate proposes that radioactive contamination of NATO territory caused by Russia be considered as attack on Alliance oddly specific lobbying but from who 
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Jun 26, 2023 09:47
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Zeppelin Insanity posted:No, the one I'm talking about was by Zalhuzny and specifically referenced attacking civilians and getting nuked being worth it to win the war. The closest thing I can find is this one, but that doesn't seem to include what you're claiming.
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Jun 26, 2023 09:55
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Jel Shaker posted:so funny that the gollum looking man did a reverse Georgia-Russia 2008 war on russia and won. yea i bet that priggy's victory wine tastes real good right now
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Jun 26, 2023 09:57
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Majorian posted:The closest thing I can find is this one, but that doesn't seem to include what you're claiming. It doesn't say that they want to get nuked on purpose, but it does very clearly mention threatening Russian civilians across ranges of thousands of km (as being the only pathway to end the war on terms the author perceives as favourable) quote:Translated into the language of military practice, this means that the Armed Forces of Ukraine, in the best case, can strike with outdated means of attack only at the depth of the enemy's operational rear. While the enemy is capable of inflicting pinpoint strikes on targets with impunity to the entire depth of the territory of the country. ModernMajorGeneral has issued a correction as of 10:06 on Jun 26, 2023 |
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Jun 26, 2023 10:03
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ModernMajorGeneral posted:It doesn't say that they want to get nuked on purpose, but it does very clearly mention threatening Russian civilians across ranges of thousands of km. Yup, and that’s hosed up. Dude’s a Nazi.
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Jun 26, 2023 10:05
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Majorian posted:The closest thing I can find is this one, but that doesn't seem to include what you're claiming. Good job finding it! Here's an important bit. quote:The second factor is the direct threat of the use, under certain circumstances, of tactical nuclear weapons by the Russian Armed Forces. Combat actions on the territory of Ukraine have already demonstrated how much the Russian Federation neglects the issues of global nuclear security even in a war with the use of conventional means [5] . In particular, from July 2022, Russian troops have been on the territory of the Zaporizhzhya NPP, transformed into a military base , placing heavy artillery there, in particular, reactive systems of salvo fire BM-30 " Smerch " [6] . Sure, he doesn't say it entirely directly, but it's pretty clearly the thinking. The first paragraph says Russia is totally into causing nuclear incidents, and references the NPP - which Ukraine has attacked many times while claiming it was Russia doing it to itself to cause a nuclear incident for fun. The second paragraph is pretty self-explanatory. Then the third once more references Russian impunity, which one could give a generous reading based on only this quote, but in the context of the article talking about the need to attack civilians it's a reiteration, not an accidental use of the same wording.
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Jun 26, 2023 10:22
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It's monday. Did they get the day off or not?
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Jun 26, 2023 10:23
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Majorian posted:So a legally non-binding Senate resolution that isn't going to pass. That's not much. Even if it is a non-binding resolution, it is also a resolution promising, essentially, World War 3. It is at very least, alarming. It also sets up the pretext the US has the right to shield Ukraine even if the reactor was under Russian control, also not quite logical expect from the perspective of escalation. It doesn't mean it will happen, but it is something to keep in mind.
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Jun 26, 2023 10:33
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Majorian posted:So a legally non-binding Senate resolution that isn't going to pass. That's not much. It's obviously not a commitment but it is a wink and a nod. I really think you're overestimating the rationality of nazis. Jon Pod Van Damm posted:It's monday. Did they get the day off or not? I heard yes.
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Somber news for Ukraine - Putin is humiliated and therefore more dangerous than ever before, and Ukraine will need even more western support. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jun/26/vladimir-putin-yevgeny-prigozhin-russia-wagner-ukraine In the face of mutiny, humiliated Putin didn’t know what to do. We should worry about what he’ll do next Mon 26 Jun 2023 06.00 BST ... There are powerful arguments that Vladimir Putin has been weakened by Prigozhin’s armed rebellion. For the first time in 23 years, many Russians will have woken up on Saturday morning wondering whether their president was still in control. Then, hours after a visibly shaken Putin announced that traitors would be punished, charges against Prigozhin were dropped, and his armed men, who allegedly shot down a transport plane and at least two helicopters (the exact number is still unconfirmed), killing a number of highly skilled military pilots, were given security guarantees. This indicates that Putin had to make concessions to Prigozhin, and in a country where a social media post criticising the army carries a potential prison sentence, the gap between the rich and powerful and ordinary citizens has been unashamedly confirmed in full public view. The Russian army, which has stagnated on the Ukrainian front for months, was unable – or unwilling – to stop Wagner’s advance through swathes of Russian territory. ... The fact that Prigozhin is still alive indicates that whatever he holds over Putin is so damaging, and so well protected by unseen allies, that it is safer for Putin to allow him to live – for now. ... While a successful rebellion would have served Ukraine, at least in the short term, it is now likely that a humiliated but rebooted Putin will renew attacks with more intensity. If round one of Prigozhin v the Russian establishment went to Prigozhin on Saturday morning, Putin had made a comeback by the afternoon. Dog eats dog but while they hold each other by the tail, neither has a clear advantage. Either way, Ukraine will need even more western support as Russia teeters on the brink between chaos and absolute dictatorship.
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Jun 26, 2023 10:44
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Good morning. Nuclear morning. https://twitter.com/krides/status/1673189962605379585
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Jun 26, 2023 10:47
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it's because said world governments want their boy Volodymyr to do it hth
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Jun 26, 2023 10:51
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Ukrainian MoD advisor Q-pilled https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1672961238135984130 Atlantic Council Q-pilled https://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-russia-war-latest-putin-wagner-prigozhin-rostov-on-don-live-updates-12541713?postid=6098138#liveblog-body
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Jun 26, 2023 10:54
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This could become Ukraine’s Chornobyl
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gradenko_2000 posted:so... it was... stronger than it was in March 2022... up until now??? Sanctions are working 
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SplitSoul posted:Ukrainian MoD advisor Q-pilled Conspiracy theories are growing out of control.
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Enjoy posted:so did wagner shoot the il-22 down as a ruse to trick people on twitter or are all the videos of it falling from the sky fake these links give separate locations for the shoot down lol anyhow the aviation safety one says it happened near the Voronezh/luhansk border, several hundred kilometers from Voronezh proper and the Wagner column
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Jun 26, 2023 11:08
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Ardennes posted:Conspiracy theories are growing out of control. If its a consipracy theory when we do it then its only fair that it is a conspiracy theory when they do it too. Everyone on all sides is Mulder & Scully.
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Jun 26, 2023 11:15
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Ardennes posted:I don't even think it is subterfuge, it was just a weird, ridiculous stunt. But, it really seems like the West bought it line and sinker. What did Russia gain from this though? Did Ukraine launch another hopeless wave to get slaughtered?
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Jun 26, 2023 11:15
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Orange Devil posted:What did Russia gain from this though? Did Ukraine launch another hopeless wave to get slaughtered? Arguably Russia gained the "national mood" to get more aggressive in the conflict. Yes, more aggressive than 10 times the artillery rounds per day than Ukraine. I've heard plenty of unsubtantiated theory crafting on that aspect and won't pretend to know any better, nor will I dignify any of it by repeating it. Is that good or bad? No idea but I imagine that the sooner this clown show ends one way or another the better. Then we can go back to enormous internet slap fights over dumb video games & F-list celebrity bullshit. edit - also the next time some dumb loving idiot(s) decides to do brinksmanship with nuclear powers regardless of who they work for and what side they're on, they should be summarily tossed out the nearest window for the betterment of all. DancingShade has issued a correction as of 11:20 on Jun 26, 2023 |
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Jun 26, 2023 11:17
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Frosted Flake posted:Did you know that before 2002, 511 made like yoga pants and poo poo and was just a granola brand for rock climbers? You're probably thinking of 5.10, who make the awesome guide tennies
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Jun 26, 2023 11:21
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I wish Vlad would give ME a monday off....
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Jun 26, 2023 11:23
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Orange Devil posted:What did Russia gain from this though? Did Ukraine launch another hopeless wave to get slaughtered? Ukraine will launch another wave, regardless, I assume the Russian government wanted at least to play opossum while Wagner is refitting and 3 new volunteer army corps are coming online. Before the coup, there was a bunch of chatter of a buffer zone in Ukraine, possibly with the Belarussian side of the border as well. That part is still speculation, but the Russians clearly have a lot of troops and equipment built up and it seems like the northern border would be a decent place to put them. In addition, the push around Kupansk seems like a decent diversionary attack to keep them off guard while the AFU is still pouring in troops in the south. The AFU can't be everywhere at once, and if they are still dumping their best equipment in fields while pushing their reserves into Lugansk, it does create a theoretical opportunity (at least from available information). I guess the question is would the AFU actually leave their pants down? Ardennes has issued a correction as of 11:28 on Jun 26, 2023 |
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Jun 26, 2023 11:26
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Jun 26, 2023 11:40
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Jon Pod Van Damm posted:It's monday. Did they get the day off or not? Yes, but my meeting happened anyways (which is good).
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Jun 26, 2023 11:40
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Weka posted:You are literally hamburger brained. You love America. gently caress you for supporting the greatest evil in existence. you eat ONE Tasty Tochka Burger at the Kremlin during a coup and now people are calling me hamburger brained SMDH
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Jun 26, 2023 11:51
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Zeppelin Insanity posted:Last year the guy in charge of their military wrote an article where he argued the only way for Ukraine to win is for NATO to come in, and the best way to make NATO come in is to attack Russian civilians enough to provoke a response that would make NATO angry, and highlighted Ukraine getting nuked as worth it.  That poo poo got memory holed so fast
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Jun 26, 2023 12:10
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96 spacejam posted:The citizens that cheered on Wagner as they warmed up their tanks to leave.. I really have no clue how they align. Pro-Wag, Pro-RU, Anti-RU? Theyre probably just out having a good time. I guarantee you half of those people have no idea what the gently caress is going on, but considered it a fun spectacle and an excuse to wander around downtown. There are probably pockets of pro and anti Wagner people getting in arguments, sure, but are you saying you *wouldn't* go see the parade if it rolled into town?
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Jun 26, 2023 12:10
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Maybe it was a snack run that got really out of hand
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Jun 26, 2023 12:13
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Although lmao at the dumbshits who think Putin not instantly obliterating a couple of hundred dudes and the civilians around them is a sign of weakness and imminent collapse. The Jan 6th morons actually touched America's capture point and partied in the halls of Congress and nobody set up machine guns and reduced the crowd to a fine red mist to defend democracy. It was a bit more alarming because these redneck tourists were heavily armed, but they gave up and went home before they even got to Moscow.
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Jun 26, 2023 12:17
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