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Jack's Flow posted:Three years later, John Collins finally got traded. emergency pods firing up as we speak
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Jun 26, 2023 19:20
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The NBA needs to get rid of the cap because I am loving sick of the dominant voices in basketball coverage being a bunch of dweebuses yelling out salaries for 90 minutes, it's loving tedious. I just need to know who are hoppers, ballers and who is BACK.
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Jun 26, 2023 19:20
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R.D. Mangles posted:The NBA needs to get rid of the cap because I am loving sick of the dominant voices in basketball coverage being a bunch of dweebuses yelling out salaries for 90 minutes, it's loving tedious. I just need to know who are hoppers, ballers and who is BACK. whether or not they hoop or ball is highly dependent on how they get their bag
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Jun 26, 2023 19:21
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R.D. Mangles posted:The NBA needs to get rid of the cap because I am loving sick of the dominant voices in basketball coverage being a bunch of dweebuses yelling out salaries for 90 minutes, it's loving tedious. I just need to know who are hoppers, ballers and who is BACK. Perkins is like the most visible NBA guy Edit: minus Barkley
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Jun 26, 2023 19:24
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all NBA salaries will be determined by my proprietary "Got that Dog in Him"/"That Boy Nice" metrics. For some reason it's saying Kenneth Lofton Jr is the most valuable NBA player, but hey the math doesn't lie.
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Jun 26, 2023 19:24
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Dexo posted:all NBA salaries will be determined by my proprietary "Got that Dog in Him"/"That Boy Nice" metrics. Per 36 DAWG numbers are off the chart
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Jun 26, 2023 19:25
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You see they've exceeded the second tax apron which limits their trades so you can get 125% of incoming contracts which generates a TPE
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Jun 26, 2023 19:28
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If there were no salary cap then Bobby Marks would never be on the Lowe Post so the quality of that pod would go up
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Jun 26, 2023 19:35
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Dexo posted:Nah, I don't like the idea of players not getting paid money they were promised, Something more along the lines of you trade a player they get paid everything, but the extra money is no longer off the cap. I'm good with that.
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Jun 26, 2023 19:35
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WhyteRyce posted:If there were no salary cap then Bobby Marks would never be on the Lowe Post so the quality of that pod would go up so many nerds would go back to like WSJ or the financial sector, and we'd all be better for it.
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Jun 26, 2023 19:38
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Dexo posted:Best way to stop superteams is to like make it so teams can actually pay players what they are worth and not artificially capping their pay. The best players realized that if they are gonna get a max anyway, and their shoe deals and whatever else pay more than their NBA salaries, they go where it's fun, or they can take advantage of other opportunities. So do you have the BRI split or not? If not (ie, theoretically limitless contracts) then the owners will absolutely depress player values through collusion or just bring general assholes all the time, like what happens in baseball. If you still have a revenue split, then your talking about a hard cap with a max contract being "your whole cap minus minimum cap holds" which I don't mind either but comes with some other problems. ChickenMedium posted:My solution to this problem is to have one designated roster spot per team that does not count towards the salary cap. Lets at least the top players get their actual value and prevents super teams because all the best players are going to want to be on their own team so they can get the big, big bucks. I don't mind this either, with some "you can only trade the guy into another teams true max" slot. And I'd maybe even say the contract should still count against the cap, so you can have teams try to compete with a top-20 guy in that slot but have more money available for the best roleplayers.
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Jun 26, 2023 19:56
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Lockback posted:So do you have the BRI split or not? If not (ie, theoretically limitless contracts) then the owners will absolutely depress player values through collusion or just bring general assholes all the time, like what happens in baseball. I think the problem in the latter scenario is it just logistically doesn’t make sense. The NBAPA mostly protects the interests of the NBAs middle class and they already got a sweet deal for as many people as possible. There aren’t really any systems people are proposing that would preserve that while ensuring the product was good imo Edit: imo they deserve way more BRI
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Jun 26, 2023 20:01
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The NBAPA has been systematically destroying the middle class of NBA players the past few CBA's lol. The outcome of the current CBA is going to lead to the meta of players being either a Max, a MLE, or a BAE/Minimum. Dexo fucked around with this message at 20:06 on Jun 26, 2023 |
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Jun 26, 2023 20:02
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Dexo posted:Danny Ainge's entire thing is collecting a bunch of role players that some championship team might eventually want, to fleece that team, and then use the spoils from that fleecing to build the team.
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Jun 26, 2023 20:37
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Collins is one of those guys who was maybe worth 2 firsts a few years ago when trade speculation around him started, then one first, and now he’s a 2nd. Same thing with Beal, who probably should have been traded years ago, and instead Washington got nothing for him. Who are the current players that should probably be traded now, but won’t be? And what are some examples when everyone thinks a team should trade someone, the team holds on, and it actually works out for that team? I guess I’m glad the Knicks didn’t try to trade randle after last season. I think portland should trade dame because this might be their last chance to get a haul. I kinda think lauri is at his peak value now too.
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Jun 26, 2023 20:39
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Dexo posted:The NBAPA has been systematically destroying the middle class of NBA players the past few CBA's lol. I have wondered how much of this is NBA players general belief in themselves and a large number of minimum guys voting as block.
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Jun 26, 2023 20:44
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verbal enema posted:https://twitter.com/BleacherReport/status/1673078027645861891?s=19 euphronius: this is the only way to win a Finals!!!
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Jun 26, 2023 20:46
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temple posted:if its bad idea post time, i propose removing all drug testing. i want stimmed up space marines playing basketball we'll know this happened when jokic suddenly gains a vertical
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Jun 26, 2023 20:47
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ex post facho posted:we'll know this happened when jokic suddenly gains a vertical sombor flubber
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Jun 26, 2023 20:49
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JackBandit posted:And what are some examples when everyone thinks a team should trade someone, the team holds on, and it actually works out for that team? Toronto won a championship after years of "they should trade Lowry and DeRozan and blow it up." They did trade DeRozan, of course, but it was for a very specific piece.
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Jun 26, 2023 20:54
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Calidus posted:I have wondered how much of this is NBA players general belief in themselves and a large number of minimum guys voting as block. A pretty significant chunk of those guys know they are out of a job if they agitate.
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Jun 26, 2023 20:56
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Dexo posted:The NBAPA has been systematically destroying the middle class of NBA players the past few CBA's lol. Just randomly sampling teams and contracts and this isn’t really true I don’t think. End of the bench dudes were never getting paid and it’s not who I’m talking about. Don’t think that Naz contract fits anything you’re talking about here
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Jun 26, 2023 21:02
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Naz Reid's contract is like a million or so more than the MLE I think the NBA MLE for the upcoming season is around 13 million. I will say that Rookie extensions on players who haven't been elite, but have some upside still are where things can get more touch and go, especially in like RFA situations. Where you will find players making more than the MLE but not in the upper max tier. Around that 20 million number, but also the new CBA hasn't kicked in yet. Dexo fucked around with this message at 21:19 on Jun 26, 2023 |
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Jun 26, 2023 21:10
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Lockback posted:Toronto won a championship after years of "they should trade Lowry and DeRozan and blow it up." They did trade DeRozan, of course, but it was for a very specific piece. Don't forget Dallas before Dirk won them a title. Miami pre-Jimmy. Also lots of people thought Klay and Dray were washed before the last GSW title.
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Jun 26, 2023 21:24
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John Collins, to the monkey paw: I wish I could finally be traded and not have to deal with trade rumors *finger curls, camera pans up, it's Danny Ainge wearing a glove
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Jun 26, 2023 21:26
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Dexo posted:The NBAPA has been systematically destroying the middle class of NBA players the past few CBA's lol. I need to see what some of the guys who opted out in the last week(s) are gonna get on the free market before I make my (likely incorrect) opinions known. I'm curious what the market is for Kyle Kuzma and Bruce Brown. In general, I agree with you, but I think teams will still overpay mid-level guys to get them away from their current teams and then those moves will either work out or hamstring them for years, as is tradition in the NBA.
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Jun 26, 2023 21:29
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So Naz Reid seems like the platonic ideal of who the suns need to play the 5 and Ayton seems like the worst possible fit on the twolves. I'm trying to think of how Naz + Prince to the suns would work with a third team to take Ayton.
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Jun 26, 2023 21:34
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Dexo posted:The NBAPA has been systematically destroying the middle class of NBA players the past few CBA's lol. There's going to be less of bird rights traps and big spenda teams hording guys. I think the middle class will just spread out.
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Jun 26, 2023 21:38
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Bip Roberts posted:So Naz Reid seems like the platonic ideal of who the suns need to play the 5 and Ayton seems like the worst possible fit on the twolves. I'm trying to think of how Naz + Prince to the suns would work with a third team to take Ayton. I don't follow Minny that close but I feel like there's 0 chance of them trading Naz until they see how the KAT and Gobert experiment goes
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Jun 26, 2023 21:52
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Suns should offer Ayton for Ant then the wolves are one step closer to being all centers.
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Jun 26, 2023 21:52
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slave to my cravings posted:Suns should offer Ayton for Ant then the wolves are one step closer to being all centers. Somewhere Elton Brand is smiling
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Jun 26, 2023 22:19
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Dexo posted:The NBAPA has been systematically destroying the middle class of NBA players the past few CBA's lol. It's brutal man. But completely mirrors real life "barbell model" economics
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Jun 26, 2023 22:21
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Do we get our KAT trade now?
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Jun 26, 2023 22:43
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Calidus posted:Do we get our KAT trade now? The Wolves can't tank and no one is going to give up a better player for KAT, so why would a trade happen? If KAT plays well and has some value this season but doesn't mesh with Gobert then maybe but otherwise selling KAT after his value is low due to an injury plagued season isn't going to happen.
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Jun 26, 2023 22:53
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Calidus posted:Do we get our KAT trade now? Bip Roberts posted:So Naz Reid seems like the platonic ideal of who the suns need to play the 5 and Ayton seems like the worst possible fit on the twolves. I'm trying to think of how Naz + Prince to the suns would work with a third team to take Ayton.
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Jun 26, 2023 22:53
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Dejan Bimble posted:It's brutal man. But completely mirrors real life "barbell model" economics Isn't this basically a function of the salary cap? If there are max-level players that can provide value above and beyond their salary, wouldn't it make more sense to try to splurge on 1-2 of those vs. spreading the money around on quality role players who provide their exact value? Especially since those role players can be poached more easily in free agency if they string together good seasons. This also ignores the other benefits of stars, like increased media coverage and paraphernalia sales.
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Jun 26, 2023 22:54
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DJ_Mindboggler posted:Isn't this basically a function of the salary cap? If there are max-level players that can provide value above and beyond their salary, wouldn't it make more sense to try to splurge on 1-2 of those vs. spreading the money around on quality role players who provide their exact value? Especially since those role players can be poached more easily in free agency if they string together good seasons. Here's die problemme There are some max level players. But because of envy, ego, etc, any player who's a first option on a lovely team thinks they're a max player. So every team ends up maxing somebody, even if they could barely be a third option on a championship team. So the league gets split into a moderate group of haves, players on rookie deals, 30 guys on midlevel exception and the rest on near minimum deals. what you want is a "max" guy who's actually underpaid according to his play, like a Curry, Giannis, Embiid, Jokic, etc. teams who've won championships of late have lucked into cheaper deals on stars because of injuries, being second round picks, so on and so farth.
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Jun 26, 2023 23:49
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deal zone better kick off big time next week, so far it has been a rather lame deal zone
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toggle posted:deal zone better kick off big time next week, so far it has been a rather lame deal zone Free agency doesn't officially happen until July 1 you impatient inpatient
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