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Cripes, how'd you manage that much? I'd say I've got half that number, though I did use some amount to get Yi-Sang's new identity - no regrets there.
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Verant posted:Cripes, how'd you manage that much? I'd say I've got half that number, though I did use some amount to get Yi-Sang's new identity - no regrets there. yeah I've been pretty consistent about dailies and I'm at about half I absolutely have enough modules to grind out an unacceptable number of mirror dungeon though
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Verant posted:Cripes, how'd you manage that much? I'd say I've got half that number, though I did use some amount to get Yi-Sang's new identity - no regrets there. Half diligent gameplay, half whale / donor behavior. During the first 2-3 months from launch I was consistent about getting every monthly pack, and I've had the daily Lunacy drip going since launch. Due to that I've only used shards for maybe 3 things so far, including Pursuance. It also means I carried over an absolutely godless amount of both shards and unopened boxes from Season 1: I am sitting on about 2,000 thread after doing a big round of EGO upties the other day, and I think I have every ID (except maybe Sheeshcliff?) at III. Combine that with finishing the Bus Pass yesterday and I'm sitting pretty for materials for a while.    Google Jeb Bush posted:yeah I've been pretty consistent about dailies and I'm at about half Just to cap off my hoard I've got somewhere in the ballpark of 340 modules because I am paradoxically very bad about both converting AND spending my enkephalin: I miss about half of it every day but I also only spend 6 a day usually, so I break even on the days where I forget to convert most of it (my enk cap is 129) and I eke out extras the rest of the time.
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https://twitter.com/LimbusCompany_B/status/1673257208501641216?cxt=HHwWgIDRqZukzbguAAAA https://twitter.com/LimbusCompany_B/status/1673257495014576130?cxt=HHwWhMDUgfK0zbguAAAA https://twitter.com/LimbusCompany_B/status/1673258004458905601?cxt=HHwWgoDR1cXSzbguAAAA https://twitter.com/LimbusCompany_B/status/1673258183941570561?cxt=HHwWgoDS9f7czbguAAAA All the previews are up.
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BisbyWorl posted:https://twitter.com/LimbusCompany_B/status/1673257208501641216?cxt=HHwWgIDRqZukzbguAAAA
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https://twitter.com/LimbusCompany_B/status/1673261695710691328 Mirror dungeon #2 details. Seems like there's an interesting mechanic being introduced - you can swap around the how many copies of a skill you have in your deck, ie you can turn a copy of your S1 into an S2 or S3 etc etc.
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RB Chef Ryoshu for sure living her best life here: If the fuels for both match her colors 1:1 I will not be surprised. More consistent and reliable Bind and Power Down are also very welcome. Meanwhile as a huge fan of talismans as an occult implement and ritual tool in all kinds of settings, I am VERY into this new Sinclair potentially: Both Identities in this banner have a lot of Rupture and a way to just pop themselves to death if you overplay their gimmick. The Hong Lu also seems fun, with a Slash/Blunt split and the potential to be a new kind of tank: I wonder if we're looking at another solo all-star like Sunshower Heathcliff? And yes I am VERY VERY VERY excited by the potential for the new Mirror Dungeon mechanics, deck editing, and Starlight / Cost. Ariamaki fucked around with this message at 11:16 on Jun 26, 2023 |
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lmao they explicitly removed Baba Yaga from MD.
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Talisman Sinclair, regardless of his actual numbers and usability, is using the mechanics of the enemies and abnormality he is meant to represent and actually looks mechanically interesting, so let me have one last LOL on behalf of Sloshmael and move on.
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Lt. Lizard posted:Talisman Sinclair, regardless of his actual numbers and usability, is using the mechanics of the enemies and abnormality he is meant to represent and actually looks mechanically interesting, so let me have one last LOL on behalf of Sloshmael and move on. The more I look at it the more I think this is on purpose: Ishmael very much, canonically, HATES having received this EGO and just is constantly disgusted and unimpressed by it. This feels indicative of how even with Lobotomy Corp's suit-ified EGO, synchronization and proper pairing of user-and-tool is important.
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Page 2/8, they know that lengthening a weekly grind task will be burdensome and have elected to grant partial rewards at floor 3 out of 5 in MD2, but I think what's also missing here from the equation is that, according to people mathing it out ITT, MD2 Hard Mode is the way to go. So the thing is, it's not just that the weekly MDs have gotten longer, they have supposedly also gotten harder. Say what you will about MD1 being mindless, I could do it without caring while watching something else. I'm not sure if turning the dial to (or past) Spicy Brogy on repeatable weekly content is, uhh, going to feel great. Not when you it's ~optimal to run MD2 Hard (at least) three times a week.
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"Harder" is a pretty wide space of variance. Currently the Mirror Dungeons, even with teams I literally pick by rolling dice, are the easiest content in the entire game. There's plenty of space for Hard Mirror of Mirrors to be "harder" than MD1 without being completely sweaty. And the difference in payout between them is not back-breaking for those who would rather have the simple experience: For when it's not your bonus it's 6 pass pips per module vs. 8.3, so a bit more than a 30% boost. Meaningful but not like "there's no point in doing Normal" meaningful. It's a valid option based on the user's skill level and time investment. Also of note regarding the rewards is that it's not just partial rewards at 3 out of 5: Mirror Dungeons have always paid out partially based on how far you clear, it's just MD1 is so easy it almost never comes up. The stated intention is that clearing the first 3 floors of MD2 will give 100% of your Lunacy (if it's a bonus) and 80% of the possible Pass Pips, so that alone is better than running MD1. Then if you push further you not only get the remaining 20% of the pips, you also get the majority of the run's Starlight rewards, which is a new currency used to get starter bonuses for future runs. "Harder" also doesn't take those into account, so it's very possible that once you stock up some Starlight you can make the runs as easy as you need them to be for your time.
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Optimal play is for weirdos like me who can rush facefirst into railway and come out 83 turns later for a meme, just do what you can within the time you have available and that's honestly fine.
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I agree, what "hard" means in this context is nebulous until we get our hands on the content. The fact that it's 50% longer per full run is fully known, but the actual difficulty could be anything from a slight bump all the way to Spicy Brogy+. I'm just saying that if it's harder and longer (heh) and becomes the optimal way to do weekly MDs, well... I still think that anything in the Grind bucket of activities in a game like this shouldn't really demand much from a player. Railways, sure, make them as sweaty as you like, they're one and done. But grind content like MDs? Idk... TeeQueue posted:Optimal play is for weirdos like me who can rush facefirst into railway and come out 83 turns later for a meme, just do what you can within the time you have available and that's honestly fine. This is an excellent sentiment and obviously the healthiest way to engage with any game, but as is always the case if you make something optimal you can't really complain if people, lots of people, turn the game unfun for themselves while chasing that optimal path. And I don't think it's really their fault either, like ever. KazigluBey fucked around with this message at 12:15 on Jun 26, 2023 |
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Sinclair:Lt. Lizard posted:Talisman Sinclair, regardless of his actual numbers and usability, is using the mechanics of the enemies and abnormality he is meant to represent and actually looks mechanically interesting, so let me have one last LOL on behalf of Sloshmael and move on. Hong Lu: 1-2-2 is Bad, but that "above HP percentage" bonus seems really funny considering how Limbus clashing is all-or-nothing. He does unfortunately seem like a unit designed around taking a lot of damage and healing it up which usually means in practice he's going to get staggered immediately and then murdered due to how Limbus stagger works Red Eyes: Oh hey an actual use for Bind. Plus Coin Drop sounds like an extremely funny effect.
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If the Hard Grind turns out to be too much of an attention sink for your liking, you can still do the easier one. That's not going anywhere, it's just not going to be as efficient per module.
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KazigluBey posted:This is an excellent sentiment and obviously the healthiest way to engage with any game, but as is always the case if you make something optimal you can't really complain if people, lots of people, turn the game unfun for themselves while chasing that optimal path. And I don't think it's really their fault either, like ever. I certainly can't argue with that. Chasing after liberation in maple has shown me that doing difficult content with significant handicaps is hellish and really probably shouldn't be required for standard endgame progression paths. But the weapon you get is BIS, so.... 
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KazigluBey posted:This is an excellent sentiment and obviously the healthiest way to engage with any game, but as is always the case if you make something optimal you can't really complain if people, lots of people, turn the game unfun for themselves while chasing that optimal path. And I don't think it's really their fault either, like ever. This is only optimal if you assign zero value to your own time and enjoyment of the game, so I will very much fault these people for being bad at math, if nothing else
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Theantero posted:This is only optimal if you assign zero value to your own time and enjoyment of the game, so I will very much fault these people for being bad at math, if nothing else Like, I'm not the one coming up with this - XCom devs pointed out that if you allow them to do so, players will optimize the fun out of your game. And that you need to account for that and shape the game around that understanding. It's super easy to go "well just don't do the optimal thing then, idiots" but it misses the point entirely that it's not how the majority of people engage with games. It's not the players' fault if the optimal progression path feels bad and they figure out it's the optimal path and decide to take it regardless of the badfeel, even up to and including this souring them on the game. 
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Just realized a fun wrinkle: do you think that the abilities shown for the new IDs and EGOs are what they'll have on 3rd uptie or on 4th uptie?
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KazigluBey posted:Like, I'm not the one coming up with this - XCom devs pointed out that if you allow them to do so, players will optimize the fun out of your game. And that you need to account for that and shape the game around that understanding. Just because the devs should take players being dumbasses into account when designing their game does not mean that being a dumbass is not the players' fault, is my point. I also don't think the game should only have mindless content so that people that don't want to play it won't 'sour' on it, and am of the thought that having repeatable content that (hopefully) requires you to at least be awake for nominally better rewards than the thoughtless option is actually pretty good.
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Theantero posted:Just because the devs should take players being dumbasses into account when designing their game does not mean that being a dumbass is not the players' fault, is my point. Except it isn't the players fault for seeking optimization, even at the cost of their fun, it's the devs responsibility to account for it. Optimization, to varying degrees, is a core part of gaming. The devs have all the levers, the devs have all the control. It's absurd to claim that it isn't the devs responsibility things turn out a given way when the incentives and objectives are entirely within their reach. This is like rolling your eyes at people experiencing FOMO when a game in question actively promotes it in the first place - yeah players sure are wrong for feeling a fear of missing out in this, a game designed around experiencing a fear of missing out. They should just not feel that way I guess! Theantero posted:I also don't think the game should only have mindless content so that people that don't want to play it won't 'sour' on it, and am of the thought that having repeatable content that (hopefully) requires you to at least be awake for nominally better rewards than the thoughtless option is actually pretty good. I agree on the first part of this - that's what Railway is for, in my eyes, along with all story/(non-repeat)event content. For the rest of it, it depends on how much the "repeatable" part really is. I do not think anything done that often should be Spicy Brogy tier or higher, actually. If this was an offline game with no GAAS systems I'd be right there with you on all content deserving to be somewhat engaging (at a bare minimum), but... edit: Like, here was PM acknowledging precisely what I'm talking about, when people ran into a piece of content that had optimal rewards but required more than what people were willing to put into a treadmill activity time/effort-wise:  Were the people wrong to feel fatigued? The system, its incentives and rewards were all put together by devs, devs who realized what was happening as a result and took action. I think they did a great job acknowledging it and I hope it informs event design in the future. TeeQueue posted:If it helps, you can only do hard 3x a week at maximum. It doesn't matter if you do them all at once, so long as they're the first three you do. The rest of optimal farm strats are done into normal MD2 because you can't do any more than 3 hards... That's a great point I missed, that there's a 3-per-week-max on the Hards. Cheers! KazigluBey fucked around with this message at 13:58 on Jun 26, 2023 |
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If it helps, you can only do hard 3x a week at maximum. It doesn't matter if you do them all at once, so long as they're the first three you do. The rest of optimal farm strats are done into normal MD2 because you can't do any more than 3 hards... And frankly doing more than 1 a day is going to be a massive drain on enkeph modules unless you're not doing anything but MDs which is a level of optimization that I'm not even going to bother with. I like doing dailies too much since ticking the boxes off feels better than the "optimal" strat.
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My issue with the Railway being the only hard content is that those drop only like once every couple months. Three mechanically challenging MD runs per week for those of us that want them seems like a pretty good compromise.
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I'd be happy if hard mode had other bonuses attached to it instead of having more BP. Like thread or XP tickets or something.
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hard mode for MD is opt in it’s allowed to be hard, all it does it boost efficiency rather than any type of unique reward, less fomo consequence on the total player populace than railway even which has special banners
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All I know is I'm waking up 2 hours before maintenance on wednesday so I can wheelslam through three mirror dungeons, get all my weekly bonuses, then have weekly bonuses reset by maintenance so I can then get them all again on the new MD.
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https://twitter.com/poIando/status/1673057733027721217 let's go danteh
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TeeQueue posted:All I know is I'm waking up 2 hours before maintenance on wednesday so I can wheelslam through three mirror dungeons, get all my weekly bonuses, then have weekly bonuses reset by maintenance so I can then get them all again on the new MD. Didn't they like disable weeklies/dailies and reroll BP exp last time they did something similar?
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GiantRockFromSpace posted:Didn't they like disable weeklies/dailies and reroll BP exp last time they did something similar? The maintenance usually starts at the same time as the reset in such cases. The last time the reset happened before the maintenance it was possible to double up, because I definitely did.
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Saw someone note that Kong Lu can self-fuel Dimension Shredder. That's gonna be a shot in the arm for survivability, I think.
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Yinlock posted:Sinclair: Rcorp Heathcliff has it. It is indeed super handy to drop on an enemy that is not going to beat him in a clash, but is going to survive into next turn. Edit: N corp, ugh in a hurry habituallyred fucked around with this message at 01:36 on Jun 27, 2023 |
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Really hoping the numbers on Sinclair are good, because man does he look like he's actually really good for rupture. Looks like he's just gonna constantly get a bunch of extra damage on all his attacks, and it'll really take off if you can manage to get some rupture count on it. ...Granted we still don't really have any units that can stack rupture count very well, but hey, it feels like a step in the right direction at least.
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Even if the two identities turn out eh in fights, their support passives look pretty good too. ...Do hope they get good stats though, I can see a solo Talisman Sinclair really running away with things if permitted. So four~ moves of stacking talismans, fifth dumping them on the target, giving (talisman)x(rupturecount) to a target. Maybe anyways, we'll see when the I.D.'s roll out.
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habituallyred posted:Rcorp Heathcliff has it. It is indeed super handy to drop on an enemy that is not going to beat him in a clash, but is going to survive into next turn. He does not, I don't think anything has it If an ID could just casually drop that on someone it would be insane
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Arzaac posted:Really hoping the numbers on Sinclair are good, because man does he look like he's actually really good for rupture. Looks like he's just gonna constantly get a bunch of extra damage on all his attacks, and it'll really take off if you can manage to get some rupture count on it. That support skill, and the fact that Tailsman doesn't lower until it actually reaches x count, seems terrifying even if his numbers blow chunks you can probably turn someone else into a Rupture death machine
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Yinlock posted:He does not, I don't think anything has it N Corp Heathcliff has it on his second skill.
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Lord_Magmar posted:N Corp Heathcliff has it on his second skill. Oh and I even looked at him too, guess I missed that entirely ok if an ID could casually drop that on someone, and was also good, it would be insane Yinlock fucked around with this message at 22:24 on Jun 26, 2023 |
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Yinlock posted:Oh and I even looked at him too, guess I missed that entirely It's not particularly crazy? It only reduces the power of + type coins by the effect's Count, which means it's just a mild persistent form of Paralysis that can't backfire by buffing - type coins. Unless the enemy is using... > Several attacks > Which are multi-coin > That all come from a single body-source > And have with high base values and small +s on heads then it's got more in common with 7 Outis' clash power reductions than anything. It's good but I don't know if I'm quite grokking why it's being treated as a big deal.
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Ariamaki posted:It's not particularly crazy? It only reduces the power of + type coins by the effect's Count, which means it's just a mild persistent form of Paralysis that can't backfire by buffing - type coins. Unless the enemy is using... and 7 Outis is also crazy Again this might be a playstyle difference thing, if you clash a ton then making enemy clashes worse is insanely good even if it's "mild". When my team went to town on ch. 2 bosses they typically ended up with like 2 rows of debuffs and just ate poo poo
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