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Trying to expand my understanding of different classes, and wanted to make sure I'm reading the Alchemist rules correctly. 1- I end up with 8 alchemy recipes at the end of first level, 4 for the Alchemical Crafting feat, 2 free with the formula book I get, and 2 that come with my research field 2- At character creation, assuming I have an Int bonus of +4, I get 5 Infused Reagents a day. Each Infused Reagent can be used w/ Advanced Alchemy to create 2 temporary alchemical items that last a day, but I can effectively refresh every day. I'm assuming this is the way to balance between Alchemists having infinite items or having to burn all their treasure on stocking their bombs? 3- As such, I could have a starting loadout of 6 alchemical fires, 2 elixirs of life, and 2 of whatever (mutagens, antidotes, etc) 4- My bomb throwing skill is based of Dex, so having that at +3 is the best I can start with, and a total attack modifier of +6 ? I'm sort of relying on pathbuilder for that number and I'm not 100% sure where it's coming from
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Jun 23, 2023 18:14
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The +6 is based from your stat (dex), as well as your proficiency bonus, which, at level 1, would be 3 total. Proficiency is your level (1) plus a certain number depending on your proficiency rank (Alchemists start at trained for bombs, which is +2). Therefore, 3 from dex, 3 from proficiency equals six.
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Jun 23, 2023 18:23
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Fidel Cuckstro posted:Trying to expand my understanding of different classes, and wanted to make sure I'm reading the Alchemist rules correctly. 1) You might have missed that the 2 that come from your research field are 'signature' items. 2) Basically. Just keep in mind you can save some of those daily infusions to use with Quick Alchemy during the day. 3) You can prepare 3 signature items with a single infusion instead of the normal 2.
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Jun 23, 2023 18:26
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gracias
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Jun 23, 2023 18:33
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If it helps, think of the infused items as, effectively, "spell slots", alchemist style. If you prepare them in advance, like a Wizard, your slots are worth 2 'spells', and 3 'spells' if they're signature items. If you don't prepare in advance, and select them on the spot, like a sorcerer, each slot is worth 1 'spell' - but at later levels, you can take feats that are effectively 'metamagic' for your alchemist 'spells' and which only work when used this way. Separately, you can use the normal downtime crafting rules to make regular, permanent, and not infused versions of the same items you know formulae for. Think of this as, essentially, the Alchemist's answer to scribing 'scrolls' of their 'spells'.
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Jun 23, 2023 19:51
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Chevy Slyme posted:If it helps, think of the infused items as, effectively, "spell slots", alchemist style. That helps a ton
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Jun 23, 2023 20:03
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having just survived level 1-2 as alchemist i would suggest that you don't try saving reagents for quick alchemy yet, you just don't get enough to make it through a day without running out of tools and being very sad about how awful your chassis is imo don't waste your time with minor elixirs of life, they're terrible and your reagents are precious. elixirs of life get ok later on with higher versions, but the minor ones are very bad; a pack of cantrip cards of stabilize will do far more than you can with them (or antidote if you know for a fact you're going into a fromsoft poison swamp makes a much better buff). minor mutagens suffer from a similar problem, their duration is obnoxiously short enough its hard to use them to pre-buff and there's no Quick Bomber equivalent to use them in combat. every time i spent reagents on minor mutagens or elixirs of life they felt completely wasted (albeit i'm not playing a mutagenist, they almost certainly want to make at least a couple because the free action to activate one they drank earlier gets around the duration problem). mutagens are fine by level 3, because they get 10 minute duration so you can even get multiple encounters out of one if your party doesn't need to stop to Treat Wounds alchemist fire is alright but bottled lightning is my bet for most widely useful standard bomb as flat-footed is always great no matter the target and against anything alive the skunk bomb is fantastic to the point of OP at level 1 (hell, even when i played a wizard my most OP move at level 1 was summoning a skunk to use its attack, and that's a 3 action spell i could do a couple times a day, a level 1 alchemist could pack 4 or 6 skunk bombs easy) don't worry about your signature field yet, they don't diverge much until you get field research and by then the problems with elixirs of life and mutagens are gone (hell, you can even make an auto-injector for mutagens by then) e: also, don't forget that alchemical bombs are just martial weapons. if you have dex based martials (or a fighter with any dex at all) on your team they can make good use of them. the only thing better than turn 1 bottled lightning or skunk bomb is turn 1 both (and ofc, if you go with a couple doses of giant centipede venom its always going to be more effective on whatever weapon your fighter is wielding than your own) atelier morgan fucked around with this message at 00:05 on Jun 24, 2023 |
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Jun 23, 2023 23:50
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Meanwhile I just unga bunga and power attack with my halberd 
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Jun 24, 2023 00:53
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Mutagen alchemist is fun but at level 1 - 3 you're just a underpowered martial and it's an absolute slog. Plus if you don't like being the party favor handler and handing out goodies then you're really going to be cross.
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Jun 24, 2023 07:38
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Right now I'm looking at the bomber archetype for my alchemist. I'm playing in Pathfinder Society organized play, and the 1-4 adventures thus far feel pretty tuned to "provide a straightforward adventure for folks to get their feet wet in the world of TTRPG" I have a wrestling-focused fighter and an angelic sorcerer, and figure I'd round out my available troupe with a ranged damage dealer for nights where the table ends up being short on that.
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Jun 24, 2023 09:37
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Looking at the changelog, it seems like there is support for Foundry v11 for Pathfinder 2e. Has anyone tried upgrading yet? Did it break everything?
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Jun 24, 2023 18:31
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VikingofRock posted:Looking at the changelog, it seems like there is support for Foundry v11 for Pathfinder 2e. Has anyone tried upgrading yet? Did it break everything? I'll give it a shot and report back.
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Jun 24, 2023 18:41
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VikingofRock posted:Looking at the changelog, it seems like there is support for Foundry v11 for Pathfinder 2e. Has anyone tried upgrading yet? Did it break everything? The pf2e foundry discord (a great resource) says it’s in beta and I’m not willing to trust my players’ game to a beta.
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Jun 24, 2023 18:42
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We're playing a one-shot tomorrow with characters starting at level 3, I rolled an Alchemist Bomber and after I got done with the basics I'm left with 59 gold to spend however I want in prep. Any tips on cool stuff to spend it on? I'm deliberately not going with the Alchemical Crossbow since I feel like swapping between 1 and 2 hands constantly is probably not worth it in the long run, and I have Wizard free archetype for extra ranged options if I can't use bombs.
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Jun 24, 2023 19:35
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VikingofRock posted:Looking at the changelog, it seems like there is support for Foundry v11 for Pathfinder 2e. Has anyone tried upgrading yet? Did it break everything? Updated on my local version but not on Forge yet. Most modules work as expected. the PDF parser doesn't work yet. Everything seems functional. I haven't noticed too much difference.
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Jun 24, 2023 19:58
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Yeah so far so good on mine, I run a dockerized version on a local server. I run pretty light on mods, but everything seems to be working ok.
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Jun 24, 2023 21:39
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Clerical Terrors posted:I'm deliberately not going with the Alchemical Crossbow since I feel like swapping between 1 and 2 hands constantly is probably not worth it in the long run, and I have Wizard free archetype for extra ranged options if I can't use bombs. It isn't that bad. Reloading a weapon automatically puts both hands on it, just make sure it isn't loaded when you throw bombs.
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Jun 25, 2023 08:38
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Gonna be playing a pathfinder campaign and my idea for a build was a rogue thief that tries to fight nonlethally. I don't want to gimp my lethal options too much, it's mostly flavor. What are some good ideas for feats etc and the build?
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Jun 27, 2023 10:55
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dex_sda posted:Gonna be playing a pathfinder campaign and my idea for a build was a rogue thief that tries to fight nonlethally. I don't want to gimp my lethal options too much, it's mostly flavor. What are some good ideas for feats etc and the build? https://2e.aonprd.com/Traits.aspx?ID=188 Thematically a sap would be perfect for a rogue! Or just punch mans.
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Jun 27, 2023 11:24
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Jarvisi posted:https://2e.aonprd.com/Traits.aspx?ID=188 Rogue comes trained with the sap and unarmed attacks as standard, too.
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Jun 27, 2023 11:55
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Yeah! Non-lethal weapons would be the easiest step. If you want to help out your party without directly doing damage or set up sneak attacks even easier for yourself, the Ruffian racket might be a nice alternative! Because Ruffians key of strength, you can easily go for athletics to trip or grab opponents with your free hand while bonking them with your sap. Add in a splash of intimidation and you'll be able to help out in a lot of ways without doing damage yourself.
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Jun 27, 2023 11:57
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Could also take a dedication in a fitting Archetype, like Monk, Martial Artist, Weapon Improviser, Wrestler.
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Jun 27, 2023 12:03
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Megazver posted:Could also take a dedication in a fitting Archetype, like Monk, Martial Artist, Weapon Improviser, Wrestler. Bounty Hunter archetype gives access to Tools Of The Trade at level 4, which removes the nonlethal penalty for all weapons.
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Jun 27, 2023 12:09
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A nonlethal parkour guy brawler sounds quite fun but I do prefer the Thief archetype. Might just take the subpar strength and roll with it. Nonlethal damage seems to be the same as lethal damage except it heals faster (rarely a problem) and of course a big difference when it hits 0. Or am I off base here. dex_sda fucked around with this message at 12:32 on Jun 27, 2023 |
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dex_sda posted:A nonlethal parkour guy brawler sounds quite fun but I do prefer the Thief archetype. Might just take the subpar strength and roll with it. Mostly true, but also some enemies are explicitly immune to nonlethal (undead and constructs come to kind), so be ready with something else.
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Yeah I'll have a rapier or something for emergencies or people who really need to get got.
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There's a question: if you have a weapon that deals nonlethal damage, is there a way to deliver lethal damage with it? In the real world if you hit someone enough times with a sap they die. Feels like there's room for a homebrew where you can do lethal damage but with a penalty to hit as you're having to aim a lot more carefully.
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Lamuella posted:There's a question: if you have a weapon that deals nonlethal damage, is there a way to deliver lethal damage with it? In the real world if you hit someone enough times with a sap they die. Feels like there's room for a homebrew where you can do lethal damage but with a penalty to hit as you're having to aim a lot more carefully. The Nonlethal trait already has that baked in. quote:An effect with this trait is not inherently deadly. Damage from a nonlethal effect knocks a creature out rather than killing it. You can use a nonlethal weapon to make a lethal attack with a –2 circumstance penalty.
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dex_sda posted:Yeah I'll have a rapier or something for emergencies or people who really need to get got. Since you'd need to keep multiple weapons invested with runes and poo poo and since switching between weapons is a hassle in PF2e, it might be easier to learn a feat that lets you do lethal/nonlethal as you choose without penalties.
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Jun 27, 2023 15:02
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Megazver posted:Since you'd need to keep multiple weapons invested with runes and poo poo and since switching between weapons is a hassle in PF2e, it might be easier to learn a feat that lets you do lethal/nonlethal as you choose without penalties. What kind of a feat would that be?
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Jun 27, 2023 15:17
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dex_sda posted:What kind of a feat would that be? As mentioned above, Tools of the Trade for the Bounty Hunter. With this you could probably use whatever lethal weapon you want (chainsaw, cough) nonlethally. https://2e.aonprd.com/Feats.aspx?ID=1915 quote:You're well-versed in weapons that allow you to bring bounties in alive. You are trained with the following weapons: bola, sap, and whip. You gain access to bolas. Whenever you gain a class feature that grants you expert or greater proficiency in a given weapon or weapons, you also gain that proficiency in the weapons listed. There are probably more, I don't have an exhaustive knowledge of the entire corpus of PF2e Feats.
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Alternatively, the monk or martial artist archetype will give you a 1d6 attack that can be lethal or nonlethal for no penalty as your first feat and you can pick up a stance for a better unarmed strike at level 4, there are a bunch of good options there.
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Piell posted:Alternatively, the monk or martial artist archetype will give you a 1d6 attack that can be lethal or nonlethal for no penalty as your first feat and you can pick up a stance for a better unarmed strike at level 4, there are a bunch of good options there. This seems like a pretty legit idea.
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There's also the Merciful rune for later, if you want a nonlethal weapon but dislike the aesthetics of just hitting people with a sap.
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dex_sda posted:This seems like a pretty legit idea. It also eventually gives you access to flurry of blows, which is really drat good on a rogue with opportune backstab and preparation.
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Hey everyone, I'm doing my very first tabletop and very first pathfinder. I've been doing CRPG D&D for decades now so it's not like I'm inexperienced. Really looking forward to it. I'm going to be running a sword and board Fighter with warfare lore who focuses on intimidate, crafting (quick repair is gonna be a godsend) and athletics for the most part. Party is two fighters, a wizard, and a cleric. We are beginning our first session of Ruins of Azlant tomorrow. I'm really excited and am coming here for some advice. I want to reiterate. I do not want outright spoilers or potentially game-breaking knowledge. I'm not afraid of a total party wipe anything like that. We're all slaves to dice. But anything to think about, perk picks to potentially really avoid or would be useful (but not spoiler territory. Obviously, water based stuff is -not- a spoiler) for the campaign would be appreciated. I'm thinking that Underwater Marauder by level 8 is definitely gonna be a thing at least. Fighter stuff: Combat assessment seems like a pretty strong perk, and "unfortunately" I picked exacting strike instead. I'm thinking of retraining to it the first moment I can. Has anyone gotten any milage out of it? Also how many shields should I be lugging around in general? Toughness early or later? Nelson Mandingo fucked around with this message at 06:38 on Jun 28, 2023 |
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Jun 28, 2023 06:30
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Are you sure you’re playing Ruins of Azlant? That was an adventure path for Pathfinder 1e, so either you’re mixed up or your GM is using a conversion of some kind, in which case people aren’t guaranteed to be able to give you helpful advice.
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Arivia posted:Are you sure you’re playing Ruins of Azlant? That was an adventure path for Pathfinder 1e, so either you’re mixed up or your GM is using a conversion of some kind, in which case people aren’t guaranteed to be able to give you helpful advice. Yeah sorry to clarify, it's Ruins of Azlant but converted to 2E.
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Okay so the things that immediately come to mind are to keep Athletics as high as possible at all times, since swimming and underwater hazards are going to be a big part of things as you mentioned. Pathfinder 2e is tough, especially at low levels. Play smart - with two fighters, there’s no reason for only one of you to be jumping right in and tanking everything. On a related note, making an attack with all three actions you have in one round is almost never worth it. Conversely take Toughness right now, the extra tankiness will help a lot. Your shield is unlikely to be what stops an adventuring day. I personally wouldn’t bother carrying more than one, maybe a second if you’re really worried. e: also to be clear in case I came off badly, nothing wrong with doing ruins of azlant in 2e. Since you mentioned you were new I just wanted to make sure you were asking for the right advice so we wouldn’t mess you up. Arivia fucked around with this message at 06:54 on Jun 28, 2023 |
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Unless your GM is really good and has ran a lot of Pathfinder 2e I would be very leery of homebrew, especially if they have a lot of background in other sloppier (mathwise) systems. I hope they understand and trust the encounter guidelines in the GM Guide because the #1 New To Pathfinder 2e horror story is "my GM decided to create encounters based on their prior assumptions from other systems and now we're all dead". One level + 4 guy is way deadlier than 4 equal level guys, that kind of thing.
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