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OddObserver posted:Medvedev is probably not important enough to attend. What does he even do these days.
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Jun 27, 2023 00:52
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khwarezm posted:What does he even do these days. Troll on twitter
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Jun 27, 2023 00:54
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PittTheElder posted:What's the main small arm being used by each side? AK-74s? Are the Russians fielding meaningful numbers of AK-12s yet? Surprisingly enough there was a video that talked a lot about this very subject that came out this morning. https://youtu.be/LUHbXXu_PYE With the Russians the regulars have 74s. Evidently conscripts have 47s or SKSes that they found in whatever cosmoline barrel filled warehouse in Siberia. The AK-12s that were fielded were with specialist units that got wiped out in the early days of the war. They were a high profile trophy that you saw VIPs have in the first few weeks. I doubt you have seen anyone with one in well over a year now though.
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Jun 27, 2023 01:01
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Didn't see this posted with all the Wagner speculation going on but Vice has a new short on the war. Nothing really to analyze but it puts pictures to words. The short has three vignettes. 1. A Bakhmut piece including footage of a trauma team at work. NWS since it is real damage to human bodies 2. A short interview with a Ukranian IED construction team. 3. A few minutes with a rear area bodies recovery team that is going through old battle sites and areas with mass graves identifying previous KIA both Ukrainian and Russian  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVh-Cejyxs8
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Jun 27, 2023 01:03
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WarpedLichen posted:I mean the people in Russia/Ukraine can at least be physically accounted for, but there has to be elements in Africa that sees their counterparts getting liquidated and thinking of going full independent warlord right? I think part of the equation there is that Wagner ISN'T actually independent in Africa and is an arm of Russian foreign policy. Turning warlord means abandoning the support and protection of Russia, which means that among other things if someone decided to ask the UN if they could slap these unruly mercenaries around Russia isn't going to use its veto. It also means that anyone dealing with them in Africa is going to be aware that instead of quietly working with the shadow face of Russia, they're actually working with a relatively small band of mercenaries that Russia actively does not like. That changes the negotiation dynamic somewhat and likely makes life more uncomfortable for anyone trying to strike it out themselves. Getting resupply, arms and equipment is also suddenly a lot more difficult, and whatever administrative framework they had in Russia supporting them is likely getting dismantled. It's not IMPOSSIBLE that someone is thinking that striking out on their own is better, but it'd mean working with much fewer resources in a world that is much more hostile. Even if it is arguably a better course than waiting for liquidation it'd take a certain kind of person to go "What the hell, let's do it anyways."
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Jun 27, 2023 01:14
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MikeC posted:Didn't see this posted with all the Wagner speculation going on but Vice has a new short on the war. Nothing really to analyze but it puts pictures to words. The short has three vignettes. The second section, the IED lab footage is from 6:50 to 9:50 and it's very interesting with no NMS material if you want to skip the tough parts. The first section blurs the worst injury, but the third section is definitely hard to watch. It's all to emphasize the human cost, it seems, not gore for shock value.
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Jun 27, 2023 01:49
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Brain65 posted:Also to quote some TV station, did anybody see this column? I think this was it Arglebargle III posted:https://twitter.com/JimmySecUK/status/1673367544323874816
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Jun 27, 2023 02:21
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Max Seddon FT Morning Piecequote:
Wagner personnel may be too invaluable to purge immediately? Max Seddon's Latest Piece quote:Josep Borrell, the EU’s chief diplomat, described Prigozhin as “the monster acting against his creator” and said the weekend’s chaos proved that Putin’s “military power is cracking”. There's still some room for interpretation of the Kremlin's vulnerability. https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1673433750544293893?cxt=HHwWioC9hajInbkuAAAA  https://twitter.com/RALee85/status/1673427988879228929?cxt=HHwWgoC-pfj4mrkuAAAA My fave, Ukrainian historian Tim Snyder's take quote:1. Putin is not popular. All the opinion polling we have takes place in an environment where his power is seen as more or less inevitable and where answering the question the wrong way seems risky. But when Putin’s power was lifted, as when the city of Rostov-on-Don was seized by Wagner, no one seemed to mind. Reacting to Prigozhin's mutiny, some Russians were euphoric, and most seemed apathetic... Solid read, highly recommend
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Jun 27, 2023 03:03
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madeintaipei posted:Lots of 74s on both sides. Cheaper than water and just as common. Should add I have seen a number of CZ Bren 2 rifles in the field as well. They’re really nice.
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Jun 27, 2023 03:22
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RockWhisperer posted:
yeah wrt the points snyder makes: it was pretty striking that the collective popular response to the wagner column was basically just to hang out and watch the spectacle. people especially weren't getting together making molotov cocktails and organizing resistance
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Jun 27, 2023 03:28
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Herstory Begins Now posted:yeah wrt the points snyder makes: it was pretty striking that the collective popular response to the wagner column was basically just to hang out and watch the spectacle. people especially weren't getting together making molotov cocktails and organizing resistance putin spent how many years being ground zero for the advancement of truth-fragmenting, organization-inhibiting, effort-destroying firehose propaganda, then turns into a table breaking shocked pikachu face when revolution about zero hours on his doorstop and the collective response of the populace was at best apathetic disengagement. like does he watch video of what happened and realize what's going on, or is he .. oh no, Increasingly Isolated about that stuff
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Jun 27, 2023 04:13
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No matter the end result of this, it's hard to see it as anything but a positive for Ukraine when their enemy is fighting themselves and blowing up their own stuff, I also doubt going forward the air support is going to be very receptive of helping any Wagner groups out in a timely manner.
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Jun 27, 2023 04:17
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Kraftwerk posted:Should add I have seen a number of CZ Bren 2 rifles in the field as well. They’re really nice. On the topic of the AK-12, what I've read indicates they've got poor ergonomics and reliability issues. Which is probably why you don't see the war trophy captures in use anymore.
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Jun 27, 2023 04:21
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Kraftwerk posted:Should add I have seen a number of CZ Bren 2 rifles in the field as well. They’re really nice. From those that I have talked to with hands on with stuff the Bren 2 and HS Produkt VHS-2 are the best rifles in the world right now. Not too surprising that the Croatians and Czech are making world class weapons though. I hear the FB MSBS Grot isn’t too bad at all either.
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Jun 27, 2023 04:33
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Warbadger posted:On the topic of the AK-12, what I've read indicates they've got poor ergonomics and reliability issues. Which is probably why you don't see the war trophy captures in use anymore. The thing to remember is that there's two AK-12s: The original 2012 version that was issued to elite units, units that were decimated in early fighting in the war. These tend to be the trophy prize guns. The "Object 2012" version had better ergonomics than previous Kalashnikov models, with a reverse-angled receiver to allow for a better grip on the gun, adjustable stocks, and attachment rails. However, the Obj. 2012 was probably too expensive, too difficult to manufacture reliably, etc. so a few years back, Izhmash/Kalashnikov made the AK-400 version, which is more like an upgrade to previous Kalashnikov pattern guns, with the Obj. 2012 furniture and a AR-style adjustable "buffer tube" stock added to AK receivers. 
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Jun 27, 2023 04:35
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Young Freud posted:The thing to remember is that there's two AK-12s: The original 2012 version that was issued to elite units, units that were decimated in early fighting in the war. These tend to be the trophy prize guns. The "Object 2012" version had better ergonomics than previous Kalashnikov models, with a reverse-angled receiver to allow for a better grip on the gun, adjustable stocks, and attachment rails. However, the Obj. 2012 was probably too expensive, too difficult to manufacture reliably, etc. so a few years back, Izhmash/Kalashnikov made the AK-400 version, which is more like an upgrade to previous Kalashnikov pattern guns, with the Obj. 2012 furniture and a AR-style adjustable "buffer tube" stock added to AK receivers. The 2012 model had reliability issues come up in testing they were supposed to fix in the 2012-2014 iterations but apparently never did. It also uses nonstandard threading on the barrel which is a big problem when you don't make many suppressors for it so you end up needing suppressor adapters and dealing with the issues those bring. The stock on the 2012 model also got some criticism IIRC. Between the reliability issues, unimpressive ergonomics, and the lack of parts I can definitely see them as being an unattractive option to hold onto as other options became available (except as a trophy). Edit: I didn't even know it was part of the Ratnik program - I'm kinda surprised it wasn't much worse given the rampant grift and quality issues with everything else Ratnik related. Warbadger fucked around with this message at 04:50 on Jun 27, 2023 |
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Jun 27, 2023 04:44
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madeintaipei posted:We can't stop here, this is Blyat country! Would probably make a good thread title...
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Jun 27, 2023 05:47
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khwarezm posted:What does he even do these days. get drunk and shitpost honestly someone should buy him an account
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Jun 27, 2023 08:59
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Qtotonibudinibudet posted:get drunk and shitpost Jeff should donate it to him. He'd be so rich from the red texts, as long as mods resisted the urge to permaban him.
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Jun 27, 2023 09:26
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Djarum posted:VHS-2 are the best rifles in the world right now. Cassette futurism is very in right now. So retro.
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Jun 27, 2023 09:42
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Warbadger posted:.Between the reliability issues, unimpressive ergonomics, and the lack of parts I can definitely see them as being an unattractive option to hold onto as other options became available (except as a trophy)..
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Jun 27, 2023 10:48
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https://twitter.com/michaelh992/status/1673641506396160003?t=K87ML5q4ipNW1F0JjvLKTQ&s=19 "Our riot cops did nothing so please give us tanks"
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Jun 27, 2023 11:49
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Budzilla posted:There is a YouTuber called Oxide look him up. He does a good video on the AK12 and the biggest problem he had with the gun was the selector switch. He doesn't explain how he got hold of the rifle though. Isn't Oxide the guy whose fan Discord spun off Thug Shaker central, the Discord where the NG airman dropped state secrets for clout?
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Jun 27, 2023 11:49
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fatherboxx posted:https://twitter.com/michaelh992/status/1673641506396160003?t=K87ML5q4ipNW1F0JjvLKTQ&s=19 This is great, place as many tanks and guns around Moscow as you can find!
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Jun 27, 2023 11:51
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Jasper Tin Neck posted:Isn't Oxide the guy whose fan Discord spun off Thug Shaker central, the Discord where the NG airman dropped state secrets for clout? yes
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Jun 27, 2023 11:52
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Nenonen posted:This is great, place as many tanks and guns around Moscow as you can find! https://twitter.com/Mike_Eckel/status/1673646449886740482?t=HzADnnbHZwGvy3O0n10LhA&s=19
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Jun 27, 2023 11:58
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Putin seems determined to imitate hitler so thoroughly that he made his own Ernst Rohm
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Jun 27, 2023 12:19
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fatherboxx posted:https://twitter.com/michaelh992/status/1673641506396160003?t=K87ML5q4ipNW1F0JjvLKTQ&s=19 The threat the Rosgvardia was made for was the citizen protest and uprising, not an actual military coup. The heaviest equipment we've seen are BTRs and those are perfect for gunning down protestors with impunity not fighting tanks or trained anti-tank infantry. Young Freud fucked around with this message at 12:38 on Jun 27, 2023 |
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Jun 27, 2023 12:20
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I found a real interesting read in https://www.emptywheel.net/2023/06/25/done-cookin-putins-chef-moves-to-belarus/ covering a completely different angle as to what may have happened with Wagner. Don't think I've heard anyone talk about what happened in the Oblast they turned around at and some more about Lukashenko as well.
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Jun 27, 2023 12:46
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fatherboxx posted:https://twitter.com/michaelh992/status/1673641506396160003?t=K87ML5q4ipNW1F0JjvLKTQ&s=19 These will be useful for when we march on the Kremlin. And we are closer. Where are these tanks coming from and who will train them?
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Jun 27, 2023 13:02
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Russia has a lot of tanks. They’ll probably get T-55s or something.
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Jun 27, 2023 13:06
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Zhanism posted:These will be useful for when we march on the Kremlin. And we are closer. The obvious choice would be Wagner?
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Jun 27, 2023 13:14
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So the rank-and-file Wagner soldiers can sign on with the MoD or gently caress off and go home, right? That feels like a lose-lose. You either get a bunch of surly mutineers spread all throughout your army, or you lose thousands to administrative attrition.
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Jun 27, 2023 13:26
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Skippy McPants posted:So the rank-and-file Wagner soldiers can sign on with the MoD or gently caress off and go home, right? By account of Rob Lee, their collective combat experience and assault unit capabilities are exceptional versus the rest of the military (still a polished turd to me), so their loss might be too much to bare. I also theorize there might be a manpower shortage component too, but that is just conjecture.
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Jun 27, 2023 13:35
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https://twitter.com/666_mancer/status/1673670232466923521?t=Nv9PVW6EL4vne0eq-27kGQ&s=19 Putin openly says that Wagner was directly financed by the state and around 86 bln roubles (1-1,2 bln USD) was paid to them from Russian budget in 2022-2023. So much for Private in PMC. Judging by the tone, probably means that Wagner is going to be defunded or dismantled (good). fatherboxx fucked around with this message at 13:42 on Jun 27, 2023 |
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Jun 27, 2023 13:37
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fatherboxx posted:https://twitter.com/666_mancer/status/1673670232466923521?t=Nv9PVW6EL4vne0eq-27kGQ&s=19 It only needed to convince the Merkels of the world.
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Jun 27, 2023 13:42
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That's pretty cheap, the US should just pay Wagner 1.3bn to turn on Putin
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Jun 27, 2023 13:56
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Failed Imagineer posted:That's pretty cheap, the US should just pay Wagner 1.3bn to turn on Putin 
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Jun 27, 2023 14:04
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fatherboxx posted:https://twitter.com/666_mancer/status/1673670232466923521?t=Nv9PVW6EL4vne0eq-27kGQ&s=19 Does he say financed or paid for during that period (I know that the idea of Wagner being independent from Russia is laughable, but being paid for the 'services' wouldn't make them not-private).
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Jun 27, 2023 14:11
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Failed Imagineer posted:That's pretty cheap, the US should just pay Wagner 1.3bn to turn on Putin This is what I don't understand about mercs. Why wouldn't everyone just outbid their opponents?
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Jun 27, 2023 14:12
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