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I read it along the lines of "if you're so good at debating/rhetoric that you can win a debate regardless of the substance of your arguement, then that doesn't mean any of your ideas are actually better than your opponents", but I am not a zen master so.. e: terrible page topper, debate comic to make up for it: 
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NAG posted:The Swamp Queen (1/4) The Swamp Queen (2/4) In today's episode, Jace plays with matches! CW: mild gore, kidnapping, implied abuse    
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Boba Pearl posted:I don't get the debating one, why is it a loss to use rhetoric to win a debate? Is it that the very concept of a debate is flawed? Clean Your Teeth posted:I read it along the lines of "if you're so good at debating/rhetoric that you can win a debate regardless of the substance of your arguement, then that doesn't mean any of your ideas are actually better than your opponents", but I am not a zen master so.. Zhuangzi was pretty sceptical about people's ability to create and communicate knowledge through reasoned debate and discourse - and yes, he's aware that this is kind of a strange stance for him, as a writer and philosopher, to take. A lot of his stories are trying to show how useless it is to go around saying that you've got life all figured out with logic and facts - instead of insisting on your perspective, you should steer by the torch of slippery doubt and go along with things in a wuwei fashion. That is, you should live your life effortlessly, not analysing and reasoning and stressing every step, but making decisions intuitively and with a sense of humour. Be like water, my friend. There's also a general thread in Chinese thought of this period that the overly glib and persuasive should not be trusted. Even schools with fundamental philosophical differences can agree on criticising such behaviour - Loki wouldn't have made many friends in ancient China. Or maybe he would have - the dislike exists because there were examples available to be criticised. There was, for example, the famous lawyer Deng Xi - he was so talented that it's said he could win a case on one side, switch sides, and win the case from the other side. Now these days this is kind of the professional standard for lawyers because you've got to be properly neutral, but in ancient China this was a sign of poor moral fibre! Ripping a quote from wikipedia, Deng Xi could "argue a right to be wrong and a wrong to be right, [for whom] right and wrong had no fixed standard, and 'yea' and nay' changed every day.... What he wished to win always won, and whom he desired to punish was always punished." Here's a famous example of his sophistry: quote:The Wei River was extremely high. A person from the house of a rich man of Zheng drowned. Someone found the body. The rich man asked to buy it back. The man demanded very much money. The rich man told Deng Xi about it. Deng Xi said, “Calm down. There's certainly no one else he can sell the body to.” The man who found the body was troubled by this and told Deng Xi about it. Deng Xi replied to him by saying, “Calm down. There's certainly nowhere else they can buy the body.” Did he really say that? Was he really like that? No one knows, his history gotten written by people who didn't like him. I'm going on a bit, but there's one more famous example of ancient Chinese sophistry people might find funny: did you know white horses aren't horses? quote:Is "a white horse is not horse" assertible? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/When_a_white_horse_is_not_a_horse Hope that provides some context for why Zhuangzi's ragging on debaters.
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Emzedoh posted:Takako-san chapter 5 Takako-san chapter 6         
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Emzedoh posted:I'm going on a bit, but there's one more famous example of ancient Chinese sophistry people might find funny: did you know white horses aren't horses? Is arguing with a scroll better or worse than arguing with a jpeg? Splicer has a new favorite as of 10:29 on Jun 27, 2023 |
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Probably case three - I prefer to think he's just loving with people. The trolling was certainly successful - you can find refutations, or at least complaints, in quite a few other thinkers from the time period. Anyway, arguing with a jpeg makes you a goon; arguing with a scroll makes you a scholar. Edit: haha, check out this self-description (via Zhuangzi anyway) I found on his wikipedia page: quote:When young, I studied the way of the former kings. When I grew up, I understood the practice of kindness and duty. I united the same and different, separated hard from white, made so the not-so and admissible the inadmissible. I confounded the wits of the hundred schools and exhausted the eloquence of countless speakers. I took myself to have reached the ultimate. Edit edit: His other hits include "When no thing is not the pointed-out, to point out is not to point out," and "There is no 1 in 2." Definitely a troll. Emzedoh has a new favorite as of 10:38 on Jun 27, 2023 |
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Turns out all you have to do to get a reputation as a silver-tongued trickster is to never let anyone else finish a sentence.
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NAG posted:The Swamp Queen (2/4) Pls keep posting - this is great!
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Previously on Don't Look Back: Honestly, I only caught two song quotes, on pages 5 and 6. I think that rate will go up over time. As will the nudity rate. Spoilered images have mostly nipples, although I think there's some dongs later too.     
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Emzedoh posted:Anyway, arguing with a jpeg makes you a goon; arguing with a scroll makes you a scholar. 
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Kill Six Billion Demons  Alt: Mammon's ability to breathe liquid metal is very popular at parties quote:Retribution   Alt: We're sure he'll be fine quote:“I heard among my travels whispered rumors – spurious, I am almost certain – that nearly all Ki Rata techniques could be doubled in power and intensity by a particularly skilled master. The idea alone is so ludicrous as to be silly. To start, who among the whole wheel would need to harness the use of that scale of destructive power?” Really kind of Solomon to avoid going for the obvious nut shot
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NAG posted:The Swamp Queen (1/4) Hope this ends with all the humans devoured!
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Tree Bucket posted:Hope this ends with all the humans devoured!
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IshmaelZarkov posted:Pls keep posting - this is great! Thanks, I'm glad you're enjoying it! I'll post the next part tomorrow. Tree Bucket posted:Hope this ends with all the humans devoured! Get your popcorn ready
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NAG posted:Get your peoplecorn ready
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Fingerpori ANSU  The Accidental Space Spy Hempuli posted:327 - Higher  331 - About The Flying Land  332 - A dangerous beast  333 - Did him no favors  Spells cast: 5 Alien species seen: 104 (+2; swimming flowers and deep growths)  : 23 (+1 plants on the Flying Island)Talking character deaths: 40 Deaths overall: 73+
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Tree Bucket posted:Peoplecorn The "pop" in popcorn is actually abbreviated from the latin "populus", meaning "people" 
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Purple People Popcorn Eater could be your new username, claim it.
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Prince Valiant in the Days of king Arthur (Nov 5-12, 1939)   
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That's a rookie mistake there Val, you never break opsec inside an enemy controlled jail.
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How could Val's santa hat disguise have failed?!
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Owl at Home posted:Prince Valiant in the Days of king Arthur (Nov 5-12, 1939) A story where Val doesn't effortlessly succeed?! 
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Son of Thunderbeast posted:Oh wow, it feels like Solomon's really going 100% all out. Sure hope this kills the guy in one hit, or they're in for some trouble! He has yet to unleash his twenty point "fingers and toes" technique.
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Do not ask about the twenty-one point, twenty-one digit technique.
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the holy poopacy posted:A story where Val doesn't effortlessly succeed?! I'm just gonna say, buddy who ran the castle that was sacked by the Huns was kind of a lovely boss. Maybe if you'd acted like this was an actual siege, instead of partying every night, you wouldn't have had to all effectively commit suicide.
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Well they went to their end in style, sacrifices have to be made.
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You can't call yourself a real troubadour if you're not willing to commit to a murder-suicide pact with all your buddies and their wives. #JustTroubadourThings
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By popular demand posted:Well they went to their end in style, sacrifices have to be made. It's what separates us from the barbarians.
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rear end may not be Thorsby’s strongest work, but gotta admit, I’m really looking forward to reading about the evolutionary advantages of believing in magic so much that it can distort the person’s body/kill them and if it’s tied to the upside down zone. Or if my theory above is incorrect and it’s something else entirely.
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