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The very first thing I do in Gnome is turn off that loving hot corner. loving hate that poo poo.
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Subjunctive posted:You very often got software materially different from what the developer of that software intended (which is why trademark fights happened sometimes) iceweasel
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Jun 28, 2023 00:23
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Nitrousoxide posted:The very first thing I do in Gnome is turn off that loving hot corner. loving hate that poo poo. Yeah well I was talking with the hot corner the other day and it doesn't think very highly of you either, Nitrousoxide.
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Jun 28, 2023 00:24
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cruft posted:iceweasel Years of my loving life, I swear.
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Jun 28, 2023 00:25
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Graphical installers are awful. Let me try and click on my time zone on a map instead of just picking from a list??? Who invents this crap. You have been deluded.
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Jun 28, 2023 00:46
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ExcessBLarg! posted:OK, so, counterpoint, you can use Debian Live or even the Ubuntu installer image to manually install those respective distributions the exact same as you would Arch. Just replace "pacstrap" with "debootstrap". Arch has had an official installer for a while now: https://python-archinstall.readthedocs.io/en/latest/index.html I think its a bit more complicated than clicking next a dozen times, but its guided and shouldnt require pasting a bunch of commands from a wiki.
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Would any of y'all trust Alpine Linux as a web-facing server given the lack of SELinux?
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Jun 28, 2023 01:57
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Computer viking posted:Or press the windows/meta key. IIRC you can also start typing in that view to search for applications you want to launch, so the "win, start typing" muscle memory from windows works (albeit with very different visuals). It's kind of nice when you get used to it.
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Jun 28, 2023 02:03
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olives black posted:Would any of y'all trust Alpine Linux as a web-facing server given the lack of SELinux? Depends on what the web server's doing. As an extreme example, serving static files: certainly. Running SpumCo Web Server v0.9, selinux would be a great idea.
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Jun 28, 2023 02:10
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Subjunctive posted:Years of my loving life, I swear. Mozilla's trademark policy ran afoul of the DSFG, which was pretty important as one of the fundamental goals of Debian was to be a distribution that could freely serve as the basis for other distributions (i.e., DFSG doesn't allow for Debian-specific licensing since those licenses wouldn't carry forward to downstream projects). Iceweasel seemed like an OK compromise and everyone ran Firefox via Ubuntu anyways, which was totally fine.
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Jun 28, 2023 02:28
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Debian did the right thing, it was just a dumb situation. I suppose I have Debian to thank for enjoying talking with lawyers.
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Jun 28, 2023 03:22
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cruft posted:Depends on what the web server's doing. As an extreme example, serving static files: certainly. Running SpumCo Web Server v0.9, selinux would be a great idea. Yeah that's the general consensus I'm seeing Wouldn't trust a properly configured AppArmor system the same with SpumCo, I take it?
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Jun 28, 2023 03:29
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ExcessBLarg! posted:Well what was your take on it? I’m talking about the years before iceweasel was settled on, when Debian was changing the Firefox product in ways that we felt changed the character of our software, but still labeling it as if it were the original. They wanted the trademark but not the license that came with it, which license (and indeed trademark law itself) in part existed to prevent exactly the sort of “hey it’s the app you love but we changed some property that might have been the whole reason you were interested in the first place” mislabeling, or the fracturing of the standards unit of Firefox, outcome.
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Jun 28, 2023 03:38
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olives black posted:Yeah that's the general consensus I'm seeing I have no informed opinion about that. My uninformed opinion is that they're roughly comparable.
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When I first started using Firefox it was called Phoenix, and then it was called Firebird, and only eventually settled on Firefox. Partly due to that I always installed an extension called Firesomething which randomly renamed the browser to an element and an animal, so I was confused for a while by Iceweasel because it was pretty much like something that extension would name the browser.
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Jun 28, 2023 07:17
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drk posted:Arch has had an official installer for a while now: https://python-archinstall.readthedocs.io/en/latest/index.html Arch Linux Wiki posted:There are some limitations with the installer, such as that it will not configure WiFi during the installation procedure. And it will not perform a post-installation network configuration either. So you need to read up on Arch Linux networking to get that to work.  Worse than other installers anyways. It still requires you to futz around with the terminal to launch instead of assume you want it from the get go. But I suppose if we assume the kind of Linux user who wants arch wants to muddle around with the most boring aspects of an operating system, then it starts to make sense, in a masochistic way GreenBuckanneer fucked around with this message at 07:42 on Jun 28, 2023 |
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Jun 28, 2023 07:40
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Arch is pretty good if you know exactly what components you want to slap together to power your shitbox. PKGBUILDs are extremely quick and easy to write compared to Debian control files or RPM SPEC files, to the extent you can learn all you need in 5 minutes. It's a hobby distro for nerds who want something matching their idea of "simple" and don't care too much about stability, rather than a "product". I think it's fine that not every distro has to be for everyone.
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Jun 28, 2023 10:43
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I think that when arch started it was the only real rolling distro, besides gentoo. That was why I choose it (a derivative) back when I moved away from gentoo. Because I think rolling distros are ideal for daily driver desktops. And also the good wiki. The situation has improved with there being more rolling distros these days and many distros offering actually supported cross release upgrades and containerisation offering current software for old installs. I do think that those are the factors that lead to arch fading away.
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Jun 28, 2023 12:38
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olives black posted:Yeah that's the general consensus I'm seeing There are millions of active servers on the web protected by AppArmor. I'm sure it's fine.
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Jun 28, 2023 13:19
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cruft posted:I have no informed opinion about that. My uninformed opinion is that they're roughly comparable. The SELinux Wikipedia page has a Comparison with AppArmor section. AppArmor has been enabled by default in Debian (and Ubuntu) for several years now. I've only had to fiddle with the default policies a couple of times and each time it has has been relatively straightforward.
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Jun 29, 2023 06:07
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Nothing better to do, so I am installing Gentoo in a VM. I am learning how to type better.
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Dead Goon posted:Nothing better to do, so I am installing Gentoo in a VM.
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Keito posted:Arch is pretty good if you know exactly what components you want to slap together to power your shitbox. PKGBUILDs are extremely quick and easy to write compared to Debian control files or RPM SPEC files, to the extent you can learn all you need in 5 minutes. It's a hobby distro for nerds who want something matching their idea of "simple" and don't care too much about stability, rather than a "product". I think it's fine that not every distro has to be for everyone. I recently learned of astOS, an immutable version of Arch Linux. Given that I will never use a non-immutable Linux again, I'm keeping an eye on that, so I can eventually move off Fedora, which is great, but I still hate RPM.
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gcc won't compile, bored now.
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Honestly that's pretty impressive. I did say that Funtoo is the better Gentoo derivative, as it's actually maintained by the original Gentoo guy.
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Jun 29, 2023 15:55
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Gnome chat: I just realized that even though Windows (which I'm not using for work) lets you iconify things, I'm not doing it. I just got in the habit of everything being open, using desktops to group windows when I (very occasionally) needed to. This method of working seems okay in Windows too, although I think they intended me to be iconifying things all over the place, I just don't feel the need to at this point. I wish Windows made it as easy to see all your open windows, though. For me, at least, Gnome really hit the mark. (also, lol, you have to reboot Windows in order to get the mouse wheel to scroll in the opposite direction)
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Jun 29, 2023 22:51
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cruft posted:(also, lol, you have to reboot Windows in order to get the mouse wheel to scroll in the opposite direction) And you have to redo it if you put the mouse in a different USB port because it’s keyed off the device path and not a device identifier. Good stuff.
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Subjunctive posted:And you have to redo it if you put the mouse in a different USB port because it’s keyed off the device path and not a device identifier. Good stuff. lol, is this why every once in a while windows feels the need to tell me it just installed a keyboard or mouse I've been using forever?
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cruft posted:This method of working seems okay in Windows too, although I think they intended me to be iconifying things all over the place, I just don't feel the need to at this point. I wish Windows made it as easy to see all your open windows, though. Win-tab should work?
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Computer viking posted:Win-tab should work? Yeah, that does a part of what Meta does in Gnome. Win by itself does another part of what Meta does in Gnome. And I guess if I install some random executable that IT is surely going to flip out about, I can get hot corners that do either Win-tab or Win but not both. But the point was, Gnome made this a lot easier than Windows does. You just hit Meta (Windows key) to interact with the window manager, and you don't have to think about whether it's Win or Win-Tab or Win-R or whatever else shortucts I have yet to discover.
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I like gnome but I’m using it on a surface so having a touch ui is relevant. No idea why itd be the default on a desktop os though
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I started using Geary recently and other than the lack of a dark mode I'm actually liking it. I like how Gnome lets you pretty seamlessly integrate your online accounts into your OS with it automatically populating your calendar/email accounts/web drives by just logging in once in the settings. I know this isn't like mind-blowing on a Mac or Windows or anything, but it was shockingly simple on Linux. I was honestly expected to have to log in like 6 times to do this. Nitrousoxide fucked around with this message at 02:23 on Jun 30, 2023 |
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I'm not totally new to Linux, but I'm definitely new to the levels of use I've been getting into lately. I'm trying to create a systemd service in Linux Mint. I've been trying absolutely everything I can think of, and referring to the official systemd.systemd documentation, and I absolutely cannot figure out how to just get this thing to start as a service without complaint. It's a command line application that can run as a service. The way to manually start the service is to execute a command like code:code:The reason it's "cli-app --service" in the ExecStart is because that's the only time I've seen a "service started" in the output of systemctl --user status cliappservice (but it's also in among the typical output, which is a section of the middle of the cli-app's help, as though it successfully invoked the app but screwed up with the arguments. This is my first time attempting this so if you're wondering "why did you" for anything the answer is "because I saw it in an example at one point and they don't seem to be hurting anything yet lol." Is there a way of getting it to execute the command with those arguments, or is there something else I should be doing or looking for or that I should learn about first? e: I could probably list out everything I've tried but that'd be so goddamn much stuff. Prefixing anything to everything with - or --, enclosing everything with quotes, moving things around the directories, etc etc etc. I'm hoping the answer is super simple and obvious and just beyond my grasp because of how new to this I am. e2: here, have this  (I'm sure I'm the billionth person to do this) Son of Thunderbeast fucked around with this message at 05:02 on Jun 30, 2023 |
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Son of Thunderbeast posted:This is how I've currently got the unit file: I think don't use single quotes like that? https://www.freedesktop.org/software/systemd/man/systemd.exec.html quote:Environment= So Environment="CONFIG=config" "FILE=/home/thunderbeast/Downloads/configfile.json" (or no quotes at all if the line was as written)
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Klyith posted:So So I did that and now I'm getting this: code:e: so this is the sticking point, I remember I've gotten here before. It's saying unknown command for the configfile path, but it's an argument that's taken by "service config" Son of Thunderbeast fucked around with this message at 05:54 on Jun 30, 2023 |
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Jun 30, 2023 05:37
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service config or --service config? You've used both.
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Keito posted:Any particular reason why you're doing this manually instead of using Kodi + PseudoTV Live, Jellyfin + ErsatzTV, or dizqueTV? Seems like a waste of time and effort to reinvent the wheel, unless I'm missing the point of these playlists. Just wanted to say thanks for this, it motivated me to get jellyfin to see the videos in some way. And it was still absurd, I had to reorganize everything, eventually got it to scan, then deleted that library because I thought I had to do things a different way but then realized that actually was the right way, went back and recreated the library with nothing changing and it detected nothing again... But eventually I got it working. Then there were a bunch of other headaches, I have to use a dev build of ErsatzTV because no one even considers the fact that someone actually would want 4:3 video anymore, ErsatzTV is not well documented but the dev is actually really cool and helpful. And after hours and hours, the dream is alive  Not going to be able to actually run them each on their own real channel with a UHF transmitter for each one without spending a lot of money and doing stuff that is absolutely in no way legal but, whatever, good enough emulation of the 90s/early 2000s TV experience.
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pseudorandom name posted:service config or --service config? You've used both. Currently it's --service config I even moved it all into the same folder to stop having to mess with paths. I also tested the manual command (cli-app service config configfile.json) to make sure it worked beforehand, but putting just that string by itself in ExecStart, with or without various kinds of quotes, didn't work (gave that same middle-of-the-help ouput) code:systemctl --user status cliappservice code:Son of Thunderbeast fucked around with this message at 07:21 on Jun 30, 2023 |
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Things to check: You got a "service" option in your program, it might imply that you should set type=forking It certainly might be some strange thing involving quotation marks And you probably should make sure that the service user has the permissions you need. You might want to change it into a user service anyway.
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