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Pulaski was an idea that didn't really work out because she was constantly mean to an autistic person who didn't understand why he was picked on and they really didn't socialize at all because Picard didn't have the same crew dynamics that Kirk had. McCoy and Spock threw burns to each other that could cause 3rd degree scars, but they respected each other and were both friends with Kirk giving the idea that outside camera the three were drinking buddies.
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Der Kyhe posted:Pulaski was an idea that didn't really work out because she was constantly mean to an autistic person who didn't understand why he was picked on and they really didn't socialize at all because Picard didn't have the same crew dynamics that Kirk had. Ironically, the closest they got to the Spock/McCoy thing was a couple of times with Riker. Him vs Shelby, Ro and Jellico had a tinge of that, with greater and lesser degrees of genuine hate vs 'they're about thiiiis close to loving on the bridge'.
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Jun 27, 2023 22:48
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IMO late season Pulaski worked really well with Data because by that point she at least saw him as another being instead of just a pile of circuitry. I doubt they were purposely planning this far ahead, but if Pulaski had stuck around I think she’d have become a great character to constantly pair with Data. I like Gates McFadden but Crusher didn’t have much of a personality and from season 3 onward Data really only gets paired with Geordi and occasionally Picard. Pulaski would have given Data subplots a little more variety.
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Jun 27, 2023 23:01
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Gaz-L posted:Ironically, the closest they got to the Spock/McCoy thing was a couple of times with Riker. Him vs Shelby, Ro and Jellico had a tinge of that, with greater and lesser degrees of genuine hate vs 'they're about thiiiis close to loving on the bridge'. A version of TNG where Patrick Stewart said "gently caress this, I'm out" in the summer of 1990 and they just killed off Picard, let Riker keep the big chair full time and promoted Elizabeth Dennehy to main cast status would have been loving amazing. Riker and Shelby had such a crackling "I hate you, but you're right" chemistry with each other. It would have been fun to have gotten four whole seasons and four movies out of that dynamic.
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Jun 27, 2023 23:02
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nine-gear crow posted:A version of TNG where Patrick Stewart said "gently caress this, I'm out" in the summer of 1990 and they just killed off Picard, let Riker keep the big chair full time and promoted Elizabeth Dennehy to main cast status would have been loving amazing. Riker and Shelby had such a crackling "I hate you, but you're right" chemistry with each other. It would have been fun to have gotten four whole seasons and four movies out of that dynamic. Not to mention that PatStew gone, as Riker is basically Frakes but in the future, and all the dissonance between the main character and the actor would have been gone. I mean, William Shatner is James T. Kirk. Its obvious from Boston Legal, he still is the commander of a space ship, but its just a law firm in Boston. EDIT: We never got TekWar or that cop show Shatner did, so I have no idea if he played that in any different way.
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Jun 27, 2023 23:07
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Der Kyhe posted:Not to mention that PatStew gone, as Riker is basically Frakes but in the future, and all the dissonance between the main character and the actor would have been gone. William Shatner has range, but his TekWar character is just Kirk as a police commander still, which is basically a continuance of TJ Hooker.
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Jun 27, 2023 23:30
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I do realize these are TV shows and you cannot attempt to overlay a strict technology development cycle on them, like it’s a rule/stats book from a Starfleet Battles expansion And this is shamefully nerdy, but from what I’ve seen of the Romulans in TNG and later, it seemed like they quit using plasma torpedoes? When that was their big superweapon in the 2200s. The D’Deridex class seems to use disruptors and phasers, and the homing plasma torpedo, which was a great plot element in Balance of Terror, is now a thing of the past.
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Jun 27, 2023 23:45
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No one actually seems to miss with anything from TNG on, it's just using evasive maneuvers and shields to absorb the hits and take blows where you won't be crippled or destroyed. Everything "homes," the question is just what's effective - did your torpedo hit something useful, or did it just do nothing. So if disrupters are doing it for the Romulans, no need for plasma torpedoes.
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Jun 27, 2023 23:47
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Arivia posted:No one actually seems to miss with anything from TNG on, it's just using evasive maneuvers and shields to absorb the hits and take blows where you won't be crippled or destroyed. Everything "homes," the question is just what's effective - did your torpedo hit something useful, or did it just do nothing. So if disrupters are doing it for the Romulans, no need for plasma torpedoes. This is what I really like about Modern Trek's approach to space battles (Discovery notwithstanding) is that phasers and photon torpedoes seem REALLY inaccurate or blind-fired a lot of the time. The fight between the Enterprise and Crossfield-esque frankenship in the opener to SNW Season 2 was cool because the false flag ship was just making GBS threads bootleg torpedoes at the Enterprise and hitting it like maybe half the time and doing like barely 1/10th of the damage because again, bootleg lovely pirate torpedoes. It really sold the franticness of that chase scene.
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Jun 27, 2023 23:57
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Trip is low-key the second best character on the show after T’Pol. He’s got a much better arc than Archer, shows actual growth, and is just naturally more charismatic than Captain GWB. He’s great. Aside from the general tonal issues with Enterprise, the biggest issue is that Archer is always the star who always has to be right over any of the crew and any of the sci-fi phenomena of the week. TOS was often more focused on the aliens than the main crew, and TNG and DS9 were structured specifically to spread plots around more. Trip as the guy with the second-most screentime was also unburdened by the need to always be right, so he made mistakes every so often and could grow as a result in a way that Archer couldn't. I guess the fact that show was dedicated to human technology being behind compared to the rest of the galaxy meant that the show had to keep him prominent (whereas Yoshi's main job of translating often got downplayed because it slows down plots). Of the rest of the main cast, the writers did Mayweather dirty, and Malcolm has literally nothing going on with is life, to the point that I would rank like that girl Phlox watches movies with or always-offscreen Chef higher than Malcolm. zoux posted:If I were the Xindi, I would've simply shown up with my completed death star and reduced the earth into a debris field instead of sending over an amuse bouche of a micro death star to angry up the humans' blood. I think the guy who made the superweapon was really angsty about it and wanted to get away with just the little one.
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Jun 28, 2023 01:22
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The problem with Archer is that he's a big important historical figure in the Trek universe, and Berman and Braga weren't up to the task of not telling his story as hagiography. I mean, there's an interesting kernel there - the middling nepobaby who has learn how to manage his mission and be an ambassador for these human up-and-comers, but instead they start him out as A Great Man who only gets better. Then when they try to break him down some in season 3, it didn't work because Bakula just couldn't seem to connect with it. edit: Literally the only interesting thing about Malcolm is his friendship with Trip, proving yet again that Trip elevates the material. Fighting Trousers fucked around with this message at 03:22 on Jun 28, 2023 |
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Jun 28, 2023 01:51
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The problem with Malcolm Reed is that he's a seat-sniffing ultra creep who's there to let people who think that knife catalogs count as literature participate in the experience of space. He's a spy and a Randian example of national thinking, like a museum dinosaur.
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Jun 28, 2023 03:19
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Been sitting on All Good Things... for like three years now. Just sat through it and man, man, man. That was amazing. I wish I was able to watch TNG when it was contemporary (I was eight).
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Jun 28, 2023 03:24
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Fighting Trousers posted:The problem with Archer is that he's a big important historical figure in the Trek universe, and Berman and Braga weren't up to the task of not telling his story as hagiography. I mean, there's an interesting kernel there - the middling nepobaby who has learn how to manage his mission and be an ambassador for these human up-and-comers, but instead they start him out as A Great Man who only gets better. Then when they try to break him down some in season 3, it didn't work because Bakula just couldn't seem to connect with it. I kind of like more pissed off Archer in Season 3 because at least he has more of a personality beyond 'the Vulcans were mean to my dad'.
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Jun 28, 2023 03:25
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MrMojok posted:I do realize these are TV shows and you cannot attempt to overlay a strict technology development cycle on them, like it’s a rule/stats book from a Starfleet Battles expansion The Romulans put plasma torpedoes on that Bajoran moon in DS9 so they're still using some type of them.
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Jun 28, 2023 03:28
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Der Kyhe posted:EDIT: We never got TekWar or that cop show Shatner did, so I have no idea if he played that in any different way. TekWar is basically low rent knock off blade runner but made out of early 90's clip art and filmed in Toronto Shatner plays his character in that pretty Shatnerily. TJ Hooker the cop show is hilarious because sometimes he does his own stunts (not the more extreme ones like jumping out of a helicopter of course) and you can always tell when it's actually him because he either looks genuinely scared and/or he's sweating bullets. Being a cop show it's right wing and Shatner tries to play a hardass but I think this is the era most of his iconic hammy acting comes from
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cenotaph posted:The Romulans put plasma torpedoes on that Bajoran moon in DS9 so they're still using some type of them. Oh, good catch. I had totally forgotten about that.
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Jun 28, 2023 03:38
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You gotta hand it to the Xindi, they only got one shot at the Earth and they used it to destroy part of Florida. Respect.
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FuturePastNow posted:You gotta hand it to the Xindi, they only got one shot at the Earth and they used it to destroy part of Florida. Respect. Florida Man must be stopped at all cost.
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Jun 28, 2023 05:08
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if they did that now star trek would be banned from florida
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Tighclops posted:TekWar is basically low rent knock off blade runner but made out of early 90's clip art and filmed in Toronto I just thought Tekwar was some books and a video game didn't know it was tv show/movie. The movies up on youtube and was just skimming through it, and oh god is this part hilariously 90's goofy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_foClSWUbM&t=1842s It's the contentious cutways to the b-roll of close up of the dog barking in wide angle that really puts it over the edge. Genius. Like everyone involved in that scene must of known it was a joke right?
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Shatner himself showed up on Monday Night Raw on USA to promote TekWar, and cut a promo on Jerry Lawler. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dd0lykmQSrU
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Jun 28, 2023 08:12
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Oh no, not Carmen Sandiego.
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Boxturret posted:Oh no, not Carmen Sandiego. I never knew when you were playing those games you weren't playing kids trying to arrest her, you were apparently playing robot assassin kids trying to blow her up. I'm so glad I sucked at those games. She was cool. She didn't deserve that. 
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Boxturret posted:Oh no, not Carmen Sandiego. she's geography now
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Jun 28, 2023 09:00
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zoux posted:I don't think that's low key I think that's widely accepted. The Mirror Universe episode is fantastic start to finish and I count it as a Hoshi episode because  I'm a big ENT apologist, but even I have my limits. As someone who watched all of Quantum Leap when I was a kid, I love me some of that Bakula. But he is woefully miscast, specifically in S3. He works better in S1-2 when they're usually going for more of an affable captain, but S3's attempt at BSG/post-911 tone is tough sledding for Bakula. I honestly don't know why they didn't just leave the harsh tone in the hands of Trip. The character is given a tangible reason to be even more mad than everyone else about the Xindi, and his actor can pull it off. But lol at Archer and Phlox's attempts at counseling Trip through his trauma. "Can't sleep because your family died? Have you tried erotic massage with T'pol?" I mean, it works, but it just seems wrong.
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Jun 28, 2023 10:32
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To be fair he was offered the narcotic slugs but then he'd have to sleep on his back
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I feel like at the time Enterprise was made, there was a big deal about "going back to basics" and having 3 main characters like TOS with the captain being the most important by far. (I can't prove that this was a backlash to the last captain being a woman and the previous one being black and also not a real captain for half the show, but...  ) And they got ⅔ of the way there at least, but they definitely should've worked on the other characters a bit. It's not the 60s anymore, we can handle it.
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Jun 28, 2023 12:49
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Voyager knly had three main characters anyway (Janeway, Seven, The Doctor) so it's not even like it was a major narrative break!
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Real "what do I do with my hands" vibes from Jeri
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Railing Kill posted:But lol at Archer and Phlox's attempts at counseling Trip through his trauma. "Can't sleep because your family died? Have you tried erotic massage with T'pol?" Even better is in season 4 when Trip is "hey, I'm in love with T'Pol and it sucks" and Phlox is "shouldn't have caught feelings my dude" and Trip points out that the massage was Phlox's idea and Phlox is all "surely you can't blame ME for that."
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Jun 28, 2023 14:16
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He also cloned the guy that started this whole thing!
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Jun 28, 2023 14:32
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I thought Roxann had wrapped her leg around Kate, good god.
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Jun 28, 2023 14:39
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"She's going for the Figure Four!!"`
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poor Ethan Phillips in the back there looking like he had to sneak into the cast photo
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The Chairman posted:poor Ethan Phillips in the back there looking like he had to sneak into the cast photo He looks like he got shown an assortment of fan reactions to Neelix immediately before getting into position.
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disaster pastor posted:He looks like he got shown an assortment of fan reactions to Neelix immediately before getting into position. I do hope he didn't get to much poo poo from fans. Neelix may of sucked as a character but that had nothing to do with his acting. Dude tried his best, really can't think of anyone who could of pulled that role off. Okay maybe Vincent Price.
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Jun 28, 2023 15:40
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His look was modeled after Timon and Pumbaa which is why it's so loving cursed
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That's actually a pretty good cast picture compared to, err, some of the other star treks
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