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Halve everything Ukraine says. I'm sure they captured a bunch of people but halve any number
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Jun 28, 2023 14:30
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Somaen posted:Uhh no one with tankie-brain gives a crap. To campists this is like a sports game, everything your team does is good, everything the other people do is bad. Ideology is unsubstantial dressing to the fundamental goal ("i want the US and their dogs to lose" and such) Yeah but ignoring the Z crowd, the question "how do you run elections in wartime when cruise missiles exist" is an important one. Even if the war winds down somewhat by the end of the year (HIGHLY unlikely), polling stations will remain in danger as long as Russia is still mobilized and ready to fire Iskanders at terror targets. So sure, maybe you can delay elections for a year or two, but what do you do if it goes on that long and Russia hasn't fully given up yet? For example, can you run an election purely on mail voting, in a country with well-known corruption problems? Or maybe you can try for a 2-day truce, if you have enough of a stick to believe that the Russians will respect it?
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Jun 28, 2023 14:30
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Der Kyhe posted:Turns out that having a massive superiority complex and finger wagging other nations who you openly contempt, or at least consider being beneath you, actually doesn't win hearts and minds. Unfortunately it is also the only play the Swedish politicians and government official know. Turns out that pigs trying to go against the Constitution does not work in the long run. Idiot racist pedo trolls burning the Qur'an sucks, but having cops gatekeeping freedom of speech sucks more.
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Jun 28, 2023 14:31
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Tai posted:Halve everything Ukraine says. I'm sure they captured a bunch of people but halve any number I mean Ukraine didn't even claim it yet, it's just noel reports, but I don't even know roughly what number to halve
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Jun 28, 2023 14:33
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boofhead posted:I mean Ukraine didn't even claim it yet, it's just noel reports, but I don't even know roughly what number to halve A company is around 120 give or take. The halve goes for any pro Ukraine twitter, telegram etc as well
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Jun 28, 2023 14:36
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It might be a surprise to certain Americans that holding an election during war is a bad thing since you guys did that successfully during a couple of wars. The major MAJOR difference here is that your borders were not threatened and your civilians were generally safe in all the modern wars. Ukrainian citizens are demonstrably not safe at all and their cities keep getting bombed. Even if you could, you should not hold an election in such an environment
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Jun 28, 2023 14:37
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zone posted:Your reminder that this is the person who anti-Americans and anti-Western terminally online oafs support for the sake of the "multipolar" world; But I thought we didn't like globalism!
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Jun 28, 2023 14:40
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the other hand posted:This feels like a worthwhile read. Ukraine currently doesn’t have a good way to deal with minefields. That seems like a problem with no good solution, sadly. Even NATO would have a real problem trying to clear those minefields without getting attacked.
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Jun 28, 2023 14:41
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Potrzebie posted:Turns out that pigs trying to go against the Constitution does not work in the long run. Idiot racist pedo trolls burning the Qur'an sucks, but having cops gatekeeping freedom of speech sucks more. Yes, thank you for proving my point. Not only is the Swedish system superior, its so superior its actively harmful to Swedish interests, and you even were able to insert a quip about how everyone else is worse.
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Jun 28, 2023 14:42
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zone posted:https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1674040901226602496 Looking forward to some cool new dance moves from the Russian troops. Perhaps even a human pyramid! 
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Jun 28, 2023 14:49
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short history of Putin's lies about Wagner PMC https://twitter.com/meduza_en/status/1674045700676485121/photo/1
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Jun 28, 2023 14:50
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CommissarMega posted:This is something that gets me about this stupid war- if the Russians looked at their own history they would see this poo poo doesn't work. gently caress, I know fascists aren't really big on reading, but surely they'd make an exception for their own Glorious History™. What do you mean? We have glorious history of winnink. We win in Afghanistan. We win in Africa. We win in Europe, we great liberators of Germania. We even win at the revolution. Is best revolution ever. We beat Sweden, Norway, Iceland, Lapland and the Monaco coast! Even the Americans run from us in Libya. We are champions of the worlrlrlrld!
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Jun 28, 2023 14:51
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Eric Cantonese posted:That seems like a problem with no good solution, sadly. Even NATO would have a real problem trying to clear those minefields without getting attacked. NATO would bomb any russian position within artillery range into dust and then safely de-mine them with robo dogs or something Dwesa posted:short history of Putin's lies about Wagner PMC But also, 
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Jun 28, 2023 14:53
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The situation with the air in Ukraine is really weird. Since neither side can utilize air forces very well because of AA they're forced to go through this neverending grind on the ground instead. A lot of Ukraines problems would be solved if they had air superiority but I don't even know if that's possible anymore against modern AA
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Jun 28, 2023 14:57
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Der Kyhe posted:Yes, thank you for proving my point. Not only is the Swedish system superior, its so superior its actively harmful to Swedish interests, and you even were able to insert a quip about how everyone else is worse. No, this has nothing to do with other countries being worse. Our Swedish cops have constantly denied permits for manifestations where the book would be burned. This is not in line with Sweden's constitution. The courts constantly tell the police to knock it off, while they keep denying people the freedom of protest that is part of our constitution.
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Jun 28, 2023 14:57
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the other hand posted:This feels like a worthwhile read. Ukraine currently doesn’t have a good way to deal with minefields. These mines are going to remain a massive pain to remove for years even after Russia decides to gently caress off and go home. I highly doubt the Russian army will be like "Our bad. We'll remove our mines" when that time comes. Ugh. Putin is a real piece of poo poo.
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Jun 28, 2023 14:59
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Zzulu posted:The situation with the air in Ukraine is really weird. Since neither side can utilize air forces very well because of AA they're forced to go through this neverending grind on the ground instead. A lot of Ukraines problems would be solved if they had air superiority but I don't even know if that's possible anymore against modern AA I don't think the US would have difficulty. Technological superiority goes a really long way. We're 2 generations beyond the AA threats the russia is using.
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Jun 28, 2023 15:00
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Well yeah but no one stands a chance against the US. You so grossly outmatch every country on earth right now I'm not sure if the entire rest of the world combined could stand against you tbh
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Jun 28, 2023 15:06
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Potrzebie posted:No, this has nothing to do with other countries being worse. Our Swedish cops have constantly denied permits for manifestations where the book would be burned. This is not in line with Sweden's constitution. The courts constantly tell the police to knock it off, while they keep denying people the freedom of protest that is part of our constitution. Also, Erdogan doesn't actually give a poo poo about Quran burning. If the burning was prevented then he would whine about the Kurds or about how Sweden doesn't lick his boots hard enough. Holding up Sweden's NATO accession is a power play, he'll find whatever excuse he needs to. However Sweden should have joined NATO decades ago instead of pretending to be above it all so this is still partly their fault.
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Jun 28, 2023 15:08
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Zzulu posted:The situation with the air in Ukraine is really weird. Since neither side can utilize air forces very well because of AA they're forced to go through this neverending grind on the ground instead. A lot of Ukraines problems would be solved if they had air superiority but I don't even know if that's possible anymore against modern AA Gaining air superiority is much much harder than giving them a bunch of F-16's Gaining the skies is a massive amount of missiles to knock out radars/air fields/SAM's followed with saturation of the sky with planes. Add in the tech and fuel crews required. It's never going to happen for Ukraine. It would require NATO going full in.
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Jun 28, 2023 15:28
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Zzulu posted:Well yeah but no one stands a chance against the US. You so grossly outmatch every country on earth right now I'm not sure if the entire rest of the world combined could stand against you tbh To put some numbers here, the Ukrainian Air Force probably hasn't hit a hundred combat aircraft even on paper during this war. The British Royal Air Force has close to 200. The Armée de l'air et de l'espace also has close to 200. The Luftwaffe has just over 200. That means that just the main European powers in NATO have a paper strength in the air six times greater than what Ukraine has on paper. That's without the US at all, and you're quite right on the overmatch - the United States Navy's Army's Air Force (the smallest of the three US air forces) has nearly 300 combat airplanes.
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Jun 28, 2023 15:40
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_United_States_Air_Force_aircraft jesus christ and tankies talk of USA's military power fading. Yea no 1400 F-35's on order 
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Jun 28, 2023 15:46
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Eric Cantonese posted:That seems like a problem with no good solution, sadly. Even NATO would have a real problem trying to clear those minefields without getting attacked. NATO would clear a column through that mine field with long-range standoff air power and artillery with mine-clearing charges (think those HIMARS rockets that have 100k tungsten pellets in them) then send through MRAPs. Ukraine doesn't have that option until they get enough F-16s to matter, likely. Neither side has local air superiority and plenty of AA left
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Jun 28, 2023 15:53
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Zzulu posted:Well yeah but no one stands a chance against the US. You so grossly outmatch every country on earth right now I'm not sure if the entire rest of the world combined could stand against you tbh Thank you. That's the nicest thing anone has said about us in a long time. So nice of you to notice, as we have spent a lot of money and the health of many thousands of volunteers to achieve this goal. Now watch this drive!
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Jun 28, 2023 15:53
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DandyLion posted:I don't think the US would have difficulty. Technological superiority goes a really long way. We're 2 generations beyond the AA threats the russia is using. While I have no doubt the US have the most advanced military, I have doubts that their military will perform as good in the real world as on paper as many think Here are my thoughts the military industrial complex aren’t motivated by actual performance but by profit - military spending isn’t worth that much when you use screws that cost 10000x a normal screw that is identical anecdotal - a friend of mine who were a few tours in Afghanistan described US troops as undisciplined (sorta supported by Abu Grahib) Lack of real world experience facing a modern army (admittedly something all major nations lack) Again, no doubt that the US have a stupid large military and could 1v1 all other armies - but as we’ve seen in Afghanistan, gear alone won’t win wars Edit: plz don’t lump me in with the talkies Anders fucked around with this message at 15:56 on Jun 28, 2023 |
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Jun 28, 2023 15:53
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Tai posted:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_United_States_Air_Force_aircraft We had a groupon
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Jun 28, 2023 15:54
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Lol man Ospreys look like something from Halo. I think VTOL aircraft are so cool, like something a kid would come up with
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Jun 28, 2023 15:57
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Tai posted:1400 F-35's on order Note that this is because a lot of existing US military aircraft are getting uncomfortably close to the "falling out of the sky due to airframe fatigue" stage of their lifespans. Those are replacement airframes, not reinforcements.
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Jun 28, 2023 15:57
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Tai posted:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_United_States_Air_Force_aircraft Do we even have that many pilots?!?
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Jun 28, 2023 15:58
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Anders posted:While I have no doubt the US have the most advanced military, I have doubts that their military will perform as good in the real world as on paper as many think I can assure you America's heart wasn't into Afghanistan. You add a committment to the cause plus all the gear, and the US is going places. Source: Me as a US Air Force vet
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Jun 28, 2023 15:59
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If you want to see a war America's heart was into look at WW2, or maybe the Civil War. Those two are probably the only two times the US has approached a total war scenario
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Jun 28, 2023 16:01
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HonorableTB posted:If you want to see a war America's heart was into look at WW2, or maybe the Civil War. Those two are probably the only two times the US has approached a total war scenario Gulf War would do too.  I'm pretty sure that's more aircraft that either side used at any point and it's a small fraction of the coalition force. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxRgfBXn6Mg
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Jun 28, 2023 16:05
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mobby_6kl posted:Gulf War would do too. Tag urself im the surprised BASE jumper in the circle
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Jun 28, 2023 16:13
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mobby_6kl posted:Gulf War would do too. 18 hour days for me, for 6 months.
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Jun 28, 2023 16:15
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Pot Smoke Phoenix posted:18 hour days for me, for 6 months. Than you for your service
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Jun 28, 2023 16:18
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Thank you, Pot Smoke Phoenix
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Jun 28, 2023 16:20
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Jah bless
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Jun 28, 2023 16:21
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It was an honor to serve
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Jun 28, 2023 16:21
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quote:Prigozhin originally intended to capture Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu and Gen. Valery Gerasimov, the chief of Russia’s general staff, during a visit to a southern region that borders Ukraine that the two were planning. But the Federal Security Service, or FSB, found out about the plan two days before it was to be executed, according to Western officials. quote:After taking the command point without facing resistance, Prigozhin split his forces and ordered a few thousand men to head to Moscow while he commanded the rebellion from a bunker in Rostov, hoping that regular forces would join his quest to topple the military leadership. https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/wagners-prigozhin-planned-to-capture-russian-military-leaders-805345cf
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Jun 28, 2023 16:23
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Pot Smoke Phoenix posted:18 hour days for me, for 6 months. Yet another proof this thread is controlled by bloodlusting DoD agents promoting their imperial war
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Jun 28, 2023 16:24
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