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Xaris
Jul 25, 2006

Lucky there's a family guy
Lucky there's a man who positively can do
All the things that make us
Laugh and cry

Rectal Death Adept posted:

You could probably get an old retired cruise ship seastead going where the idea was everyone contributes to a self sustaining floating economy

The problem would be when you run out of money almost immediately for boat fuel and get stuck anchored somewhere trying to afford basic maintenance as pumps and electronics start failing and noone wants to bootstraps $300,000 to help keep the boat from sinking

it wouldn’t really work since big boats require near constant upkeep and dry docking for repairs or inspections every 3 years

also fuel would be a bazillion dollars

this stuff only works because of insane industrial economy fueled by millions of years of photosynthesis gobs and gobs of excess oil

the minute a part breaks, which is quickly, means there’s also no real way to get repaired parts

there’s also no such thing as a closed loop society, especially on something like a boat: they all need external inputs. for most of human history these external inputs are nearly infinite (relative to society) land, water, sunlight (and resulting flora/fauna). boats only have 1

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Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.
What about a train? Could you have a closed loop society on a train going around the earth

Mr. Pizza
Oct 5, 2009


gently caress You And Diebold posted:

post apocalyptic cruise ship ocean society

basically the plot of Flood by Stephen Baxter

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

this guy gets it

https://twitter.com/Lechiboroni/status/1673788400493551617

Kassad
Nov 12, 2005

It's about time.

Microplastics posted:

What about a train? Could you have a closed loop society on a train going around the earth

Sure. It might even last a week.

TehSaurus
Jun 12, 2006

Fuck You And Diebold
Sep 15, 2004

by Athanatos
all the agricultural growth hormone wastewater runoff has been preparing orcas for this boss fight

Fried Watermelon
Dec 29, 2008


gently caress You And Diebold posted:

post apocalyptic cruise ship ocean society

The Filth

ELTON JOHN
Feb 17, 2014

Microplastics posted:

What about a train? Could you have a closed loop society on a train going around the earth

i dunno seems like it would quickly become a hamfisted metaphor for capitalism

Wheeee
Mar 11, 2001

When a tree grows, it is soft and pliable. But when it's dry and hard, it dies.

Hardness and strength are death's companions. Flexibility and softness are the embodiment of life.

That which has become hard shall not triumph.

Icon of the Seas, circa 2040

Harold Fjord
Jan 3, 2004

ELTON JOHN posted:

i dunno seems like it would quickly become a hamfisted metaphor for capitalism

Oh poo poo I need to rewatch The Darjeeling Limited

Hit Man
Mar 6, 2008

I hope after I die people will say of me: "That guy sure owed me a lot of money."

My lungs are burning if I stay outside longer than 10 minutes. This is probably the worst day to date for blatant Canadian aggression towards the air quality of the benevolent US of A

ikanreed
Sep 25, 2009

I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!
Don't worry in 5 years it'll seem like a good day :yayclod:

Owlbear Camus
Jan 3, 2013

Maybe this guy that flies is just sort of passing through, you know?



Four decades with few breaks living in WI and I don't remember "don't go outside and breathe the air because Canada is on fire" ever being a concern.

I'm sure this is all very normal and doesn't portent worse to come.

celadon
Jan 2, 2023

once all the forests burn down they cant burn down again

Hubbert
Mar 25, 2007

At a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

celadon posted:

once all the forests burn down they cant burn down again

that's the thing about wild fires

you eventually run out of wild

Lacrosse
Jun 16, 2010

>:V


Hubbert posted:

that's the thing about wild fires

you eventually run out of wild

WTF I love desertification now?

Hubbert
Mar 25, 2007

At a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

Lacrosse posted:

WTF I love desertification now?

Everyone loves a little bit of dry humour, no?

RIP Syndrome
Feb 24, 2016

Hubbert posted:

that's the thing about wild fires

you eventually run out of wild

No wild. Only fires

silicone thrills
Jan 9, 2008

I paint things
Then we will get dust storms instead. woo hoo

celadon
Jan 2, 2023

silicone thrills posted:

Then we will get dust storms instead. woo hoo

eventually all the dust will blow into the oceans and sink into the depths, solving that problem once and for all

Zeta Taskforce
Jun 27, 2002

TehSaurus posted:

I did some extrapolation on the current burn rate. If things keep up we’re on pace to burn 1.2 Texases worth of boreal Canada this year.

How did you do this math? The most recent figure I came up with is just shy of 76,129 square kilometers. Texas is 695,662 square kilometers. Canada has 2.4 million square kilometers of forest. That means about 1/9 Texas has burned so far and there are about 3.5 Texases total.

It's still absolutely crazy. I'm learning French now and I have far more connection to Quebec than any other francophone country, so I listen to a lot of Québécois media. They describe the fires in apocalyptic terms.

Hubbert
Mar 25, 2007

At a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

Hexigrammus posted:

Dunno about ketamine but Puget Sound was showing high levels of caffeine and SSRIs. We're breeding crabs with a whole new attitude to life.

https://twitter.com/UFNews/status/1404838608071139330

Exposure to a common antidepressant alters crayfish behavior and has potential subsequent ecosystem impacts - Abstract posted:

Pharmaceuticals are ubiquitous in aquatic environments, yet little is known regarding their impacts on ecological processes. Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors (SSRIs) are frequently prescribed human antidepressants and have been shown to alter crayfish behavior. These behavioral alterations are particularly relevant as crayfish play a central role in freshwater ecosystems and often reach high biomass in anthropogenically influenced environments commonly exposed to pharmaceutical contamination.

Using a 14-d artificial stream experiment, we exposed spinycheek crayfish (Faxonius limosus) to citalopram, a common SSRI, at an environmentally realistic concentration (0.5 µg/L). We used a Y-shaped flume to quantify the effects of SSRI exposure on crayfish behavior and food/conspecific preference. We also tested the interacting effects of citalopram and crayfish on habitat-specific and whole-stream ecosystem functions and biomass. Crayfish exposed to SSRIs exhibited increased boldness (time to emerge from shelters; P < 0.05) and spent more time orienting to food resources than nonexposed crayfish. Crayfish increased water column chlorophyll a (P < 0.01) and benthic organic matter (P = 0.03). Furthermore, crayfish potentially increased water column respiration (P = 0.09) and potentially decreased nitrate uptake (P = 0.05). SSRI exposure exhibited a potential effect of decreasing benthic chlorophyll a (P = 0.07), but there were no significant CRAY+SSRI interactions. Neither crayfish nor SSRI treatments affected whole-stream metabolism.

These results suggest that citalopram has the potential to affect algal biomass but did not affect ecosystem functioning. However, alterations to crayfish behavior driven by SSRI exposure could lead to subsequent ecosystem-level effects as crayfish did affect various response metrics. We were unable to detect the effects of altered crayfish behavior at the ecosystem scale during our study, likely due to the short time frame (2 weeks) of our experiment. Further work is needed to quantify longer-term ecosystem consequences of sublethal effects of pharmaceuticals, but these results show that ecological responses to pharmaceuticals should consider the entire ecosystem.

Hubbert has issued a correction as of 20:24 on Jun 28, 2023

actionjackson
Jan 12, 2003

silicone thrills posted:

Then we will get dust storms instead. woo hoo

then we can say extremely funny words like haboob

Just a Moron
Nov 11, 2021

Ha! boob

Perry Mason Jar
Feb 24, 2006

"Della? Take a lid"
Grandma says to me "Beautiful weather today. Shame The Smoke will be here soon."

Lol considering this has been an issue twice before in my life, once 17 years ago once this year, it did give a satisfying crack-ping

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares



The FRP unit as an accumulated instantaneous power unit in terawatts is breaking my brain a little bit. Does anyone know what values are added up or more on how that's calculated?

Hexigrammus
May 22, 2006

Cheech Wizard stories are clean, wholesome, reflective truths that go great with the marijuana munchies and a blow job.

I hadn't seen that study when I wrote that so i was thinking about the co-dominant behaviour seen in rats on SSRIs and half-joking about it generalizing to invertebrates.
Which it does apparently, because ofc it does.

It's really hard to make a joke these days without capitalist reality beating you to it.



celadon posted:

once all the forests burn down they cant burn down again

Then we start working on the muskeg. If you think burning forests are bad just wait for the smoldering arctic swamps.

VectorSigma
Jan 20, 2004

Transform
and
Freak Out



perhaps we should breed wild fires with domesticated fires to produce a more docile form

Microplastics
Jul 6, 2007

:discourse:
It's what's for dinner.
How dare those trees burn without boiling steam to power a turbine. That's basically stealing

kater
Nov 16, 2010

antidepressants leave one more vulnerable to predators? someone just get ahead of the curve and make the qcs thread

Laterite
Mar 14, 2007

It's Gutfest '89
Grimey Drawer

Perry Mason Jar posted:

Grandma says to me "Beautiful weather today. Shame The Smoke will be here soon."

Lol considering this has been an issue twice before in my life, once 17 years ago once this year, it did give a satisfying crack-ping

when grandmas start saying ominous poo poo, you know things are getting Real

silicone thrills
Jan 9, 2008

I paint things

actionjackson posted:

then we can say extremely funny words like haboob

I should have said woo hoo haboob and i can't believe i missed that opportunity

Colonel Cancer
Sep 26, 2015

Tune into the fireplace channel, you absolute buffoon
Haboob feels like a spilled bag of sand

Spaced God
Feb 8, 2014

All torment, trouble, wonder and amazement
Inhabits here: some heavenly power guide us
Out of this fearful country!



Potato Salad posted:

The FRP unit as an accumulated instantaneous power unit in terawatts is breaking my brain a little bit. Does anyone know what values are added up or more on how that's calculated?

If it's the way I would do it, there are three or four satellites that measure daily temperature anomalies (associated with fire). Included in that measurement is an estimated FRP, so by adding all those up across a day or whatever gives you the instantaneous FRP on a day scale. I guess technically you could get it down to the five or so minute instantaneous window on US/CAN but that is a recent development

Laterite
Mar 14, 2007

It's Gutfest '89
Grimey Drawer
also when things get bad enough, those mega cruise ships are absolutely gonna get US Marine escorts and start press-ganging the locals at every port of call

Spaced God
Feb 8, 2014

All torment, trouble, wonder and amazement
Inhabits here: some heavenly power guide us
Out of this fearful country!



Laterite posted:

also when things get bad enough, those mega cruise ships are absolutely gonna get US Marine escorts and start press-ganging the locals at every port of call

Gunboat diplomacy, but you must accept our cruise ship or be fired upon

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares


Spaced God posted:

If it's the way I would do it, there are three or four satellites that measure daily temperature anomalies (associated with fire). Included in that measurement is an estimated FRP, so by adding all those up across a day or whatever gives you the instantaneous FRP on a day scale. I guess technically you could get it down to the five or so minute instantaneous window on US/CAN but that is a recent development

"there's unstated bins" was gonna be one guess

thanks

Spaced God
Feb 8, 2014

All torment, trouble, wonder and amazement
Inhabits here: some heavenly power guide us
Out of this fearful country!



Leave it to geospatial folks to poorly communicate their results :haw:

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Hubbert
Mar 25, 2007

At a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

kater posted:

antidepressants leave one more vulnerable to predators? someone just get ahead of the curve and make the qcs thread

lol

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