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Outpost22 posted:I accidentally entered in reddit.com in my browser but I immediately closed it, does that count as a relapse? I very dramatically posted "THIS MIGHT BE MY LAST POST EVER" on the RIF subreddit the day the protest started nobody look at all the posts after that now because RES still works and I'll keep using reddit until it stops lol
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Outpost22 posted:I accidentally entered in reddit.com in my browser but I immediately closed it, does that count as a relapse? more of a prolapse
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dervival posted:more of a prolapse
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dervival posted:more of a prolapse No ring though. So should be ok.
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that just means that outpost22 isn't the greatest of whatever se.cx is, assuming it's not just a mangled manifestation of fornication because let's face it, everyone here knows that anyone posting on these helldump forums would not be the greatest of all time at that
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deep dish peat moss posted:Part of my job used to be reading market research reports about ecommerce and even in ecommerce, most of the research is centered around how to "make" people buy from websites. For very successful ecommerce websites everything is very methodically designed and laid out specifically to drive sales. The color palette is chosen specifically based on which colors will create the least resistance to you clicking a buy button. Verbiage is precise. It's proper form to fill your pages up with literal commands to buy (like buttons that say "buy now" instead of "add to cart") because people will subconsciously follow commands often enough that it makes a noticeable difference. They've studied exactly what additional fees will cause people to back out of a purchase if they're displayed before the very final stage of checkout, so those are left until the final screen because no matter how averse people are to the fees, if they're already several steps into checkout then the sunk cost fallacy pushes them through. "Your product doesn't matter, only your branding does" is common advice in ecommerce. I want you to know that, after reading your post, I greyscaled my phone, too. It was actually a huge pain in the balls to figure out because none of the search results I found worked. And I ended up finding a reddit post that worked, as a matter of fact. And you're right, I already disliked using my phone, but I fuggen hate it, now
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That's over nearly two decades but I played most of those games for under an hour! I bought them primarily because they were on sale, and "dang that's a good deal! I'll get around to it some day, I'm sure!"
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deep dish peat moss posted:Part of my job used to be reading market research reports about ecommerce and even in ecommerce, most of the research is centered around how to "make" people buy from websites. For very successful ecommerce websites everything is very methodically designed and laid out specifically to drive sales. The color palette is chosen specifically based on which colors will create the least resistance to you clicking a buy button. Verbiage is precise. It's proper form to fill your pages up with literal commands to buy (like buttons that say "buy now" instead of "add to cart") because people will subconsciously follow commands often enough that it makes a noticeable difference. They've studied exactly what additional fees will cause people to back out of a purchase if they're displayed before the very final stage of checkout, so those are left until the final screen because no matter how averse people are to the fees, if they're already several steps into checkout then the sunk cost fallacy pushes them through. "Your product doesn't matter, only your branding does" is common advice in ecommerce. Not surprised about this but it's a little jarring to read. Going to try the phone greyscale thing, though. Anything to keep me off of it is a positive. Just did it and my gently caress is it awful.
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I'm as skeptical of this as I am "ketchup and mustard" theory in fast food restaurant coloring. It's got the whiff of pop psych pseudoscience to it, just like Red doesn't make you want to order super size fries. Not to say there isn't a lot of psychology in games, micro transactions, nor value in testing and streamlining your processes - any extra screen or hiccup or price increase absolutely increases checkout friction. But the whole "nudge" concept for these outcomes is a mostly debunked concept from the Nate Silver/Obama heyday as well.
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the sight of mcdonalds mayo activates my brain’s cumcenter and i have to keep ordering more i don’t even like mayo
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Marketing has been about manipulation and sort of grossly influencing people for forever and its always shocking how effective basic tricks are against so many people
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so did the protest work? is reddit dead now?
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If there's an unskippable ad I literally mute the system and turn away from the screen. Don't let that poo poo into your brain. I don't care how smart you are or how immune you think you are, you aren't
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If you want to get lost in the weeds on this, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIXhnWUmMvw&pp quote:
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Panic! At The Tesco posted:so did the protest work? is reddit dead now? You'll be floored to know that absolutely nothing has been achieved.
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Reminds me of when they liberated Hong Kong with photos of cartoon characters.
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Panic! At The Tesco posted:so did the protest work? is reddit dead now? If you consider some John Oliver shitposting and a handful of people leaving for Lemmy as an effective protest result, sure. There will be a new protest on July 1st I guess. It probably will be even less effective unless people who like 3rd party apps actually jump ship. Unlikely.
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Panic! At The Tesco posted:so did the protest work? no Panic! At The Tesco posted:is reddit dead now? yes
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Black Noise posted:Reminds me of when they liberated Hong Kong with photos of cartoon characters. wait was hong kong phooey a psyop or
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greatBigJerk posted:If you consider some John Oliver shitposting and a handful of people leaving for Lemmy as an effective protest result, sure. I think a good number of the most active users will stop using Reddit at all, or at least nearly so often on that date. It’s unimaginable to access it without a 3rd party app.
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I'm one of those that'll stop. I'm just not that bothered about reddit, so the annoyance of not having a decent app to browse it whilst making GBS threads will exceed the annoyance of not having it at all.
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greatBigJerk posted:If you consider some John Oliver shitposting and a handful of people leaving for Lemmy as an effective protest result, sure. I did use an app for my phone that's going to be impacted, but it's probably for the best that I spend less time looking at my phone. As long as the reddit enhancement suite and old.reddit.com stuff works i don't think 3rd party app support is the straw that's going to break this
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bus hustler posted:I'm as skeptical of this as I am "ketchup and mustard" theory in fast food restaurant coloring. It's got the whiff of pop psych pseudoscience to it, just like Red doesn't make you want to order super size fries. I dunno, man, marketing and advertising is about as manipulative and insidious as the human brain can conceive. I mean, poo poo, the whole purpose is to hack and short circuit your brain to influence your behavior and hence your wallet
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Panic! At The Tesco posted:so did the protest work? is reddit dead now? No, turns out a majority of redditors don't know even know how to spell "API".
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frest posted:I did use an app for my phone that's going to be impacted, but it's probably for the best that I spend less time looking at my phone. As long as the reddit enhancement suite and old.reddit.com stuff works i don't think 3rd party app support is the straw that's going to break this I've been trying to switch my Reddit addiction back to the forums, and a little to Kbin. Once bacon reader is gone, I might occasionally browse with old.reddit, but that will be about it. The official app is terrible. The new site design is equally bad.
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Sir Sidney Poitier posted:You'll be floored to know that absolutely nothing has been achieved. I didn't think that much would be achieved. When the protest happened I stopped using reddit just to see if I could break the habit and so far it's still going strong. I've only checked reddit once since the protest. That said I've now come back to poo poo post here under a different account so trading one addiction for another.
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Panic! At The Tesco posted:is reddit dead now? give it two weeks, there'll be a major uptick in spambots once they've had a month to age. looks like a bunch were generated between 6/13-6/18, so there's going to be a bunch of poo poo for something in the middle of July. Is Amazon or something doing some bullshit for christmas in july again or some other promotion, that'd fit the pattern
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I saw some complaints that reddit was restoring deleted posts and comments from users trying to erase their stuff prior to deleting their accounts, but I just checked my former username in a google search and it looks like all of the deletions have stuck.
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Sir Sidney Poitier posted:I'm one of those that'll stop. I'm just not that bothered about reddit, so the annoyance of not having a decent app to browse it whilst making GBS threads will exceed the annoyance of not having it at all.  I uninstalled the Reddit app from my phone because its a stupid waste of time, and Reddit chokes their mobile page to force you to the app. I get some value out of the more obscure subreddits so I'll still go there on my laptop, but I'm counting the days until they nuke the main page to force everyone through the app.
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the kmart subreddit is too beautiful for this world https://old.reddit.com/r/kmart/
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Panic! At The Tesco posted:so did the protest work? is reddit dead now? It “worked” in that it made the people running Reddit look even worse. But at the end of the day you can’t have a strike from inside the factory because they’ll just kick you out and that’s basically what Reddit did.
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Reddit isn't going to die, they just unambiguously signaled their intention to become as useless and hostile to users as Quora. Give it 2-3 years and it'll just be a bot-infested shithole full of dark patterns and propaganda, kinda like now except you won't be able to use it for web searches without logging in.
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bus hustler posted:I'm as skeptical of this as I am "ketchup and mustard" theory in fast food restaurant coloring. It's got the whiff of pop psych pseudoscience to it, just like Red doesn't make you want to order super size fries.
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deep dish peat moss posted:With color theory on web design it's less about the color itself and more about choosing a striking color that stands out and using it for the parts that you want people to keep averting their gaze to, like buy buttons. There's no secret sauce where it's like red = people buy more, it's more like hey we get more checkouts with the button colored #FFAA98 than we do with #FF2D00 because the less saturated color has a lot of contrast with the rest of the site. It's all just about directing flow of attention Wasn't there a big thing about restaurants using specific colors to make you more prone to leaving quickly?
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Panic! At The Tesco posted:so did the protest work? is reddit dead now? Yeah it's dead... to me! 
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Narzack posted:Wasn't there a big thing about restaurants using specific colors to make you more prone to leaving quickly? Yeah, that's what bus hustler is referring to as mostly bunk pop psychology. In restaurants I believe that has shifted toward things like designing seats that are uncomfortable to sit at for long periods of time rather than color. The only e-commerce color theory stuff I remember that was about specific colors is to avoid "sickly" looking colors (like brownish yellowish green) on your important buttons, but otherwise e-commerce (and web/app design stuff afaik) in color theory is more about choosing palettes where one color naturally draws attention from the others and then placing that color where you want people to focus. An example of this on Reddit: when you load /r/all, (the doomscrolling feed) the only parts of the design that are blue are the buttons that drive engagement (comment, create post, join subreddits, scroll back to the top, or load the next page of posts). Those buttons constantly draw your subconscious attention - not because they're blue, but because they stand out so much from the rest of the page. (e: This is much more pronounced on mobile than on desktop) deep dish peat moss fucked around with this message at 19:55 on Jun 28, 2023 |
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I'm a UX designer and I've always been struck by the way that ecomm UX is far and away the most rigorously researched and tested. It helps that there's a pretty specific and defined user flow you're looking for, but there's waaay more data and studies on user experience patterns on getting someone to buy something than anything else.
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digitalist posted:If you want to get lost in the weeds on this, This is a really good, pro-watch documentary, dang. deep dish peat moss fucked around with this message at 20:28 on Jun 28, 2023 |
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It's probably the most accessible introduction to the idea, there are a few other videos on YouTube about it that go into more depth if memory serves. The book is really interesting, I used it for a reading course in grad school and it ended up being an important part of a thesis I never finished because depression sucks. But I would be happy to talk about it if ever anyone's ever interested. I've also been toying with the idea of making content (videos/etc) on the subject/field but yeah, life has been kicking my rear end as of late, we'll see. It's definitely something that people need to be more aware of, although part of me wonders if that would change anything. However, I don't want to be all doom and gloom about this, legislative efforts like the GDPR have had a meaningful effect mitigating the effects of this kind of business model. edit: Ended up rewatcing the doc, it had been a while, and yeah it gives a pretty good overview of what's going on but there's certainly more to it for those who might be interested in digging deeper. I think this one might be good, going into how the typical social contract we have relied on isn't really a thing anymore. They don't need our consent to harvest and use behavioral data to make money, they don't need us anymore. As in capital doesn't need to come to an agreement with workers (broadly speaking). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AvtUrHxg8A digitalist fucked around with this message at 21:37 on Jun 28, 2023 |
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Once Iose Joey I'm done with reddit. I'm tired of having to do a bunch of work arounds to just not be shown ads all the time. Even my tv does it now on the main Roku menu. This clearly is just about saying they can make revenue by jamming ads and sockpuppet accounts to promote partner products. Spez is likely looking to get a big payday given how he's dumb enough to think Musk is handling Twitter well.
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deep dish peat moss posted:Yeah, that's what bus hustler is referring to as mostly bunk pop psychology. In restaurants I believe that has shifted toward things like designing seats that are uncomfortable to sit at for long periods of time rather than color. Even the uncomfortable seats, I wonder how much of that is intentionally making it uncomfortable vs like... ripped cushions look shittier than nicked wood
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