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Look, can we just skip ahead in this FFXVI/X-Men discussion to the part where Storm grows a mohawk and forces Chris Claremont to call her mommy?
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Jun 28, 2023 15:19
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Who are the Cable/Strife of FFXVI
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Jun 28, 2023 15:24
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Oh the last book of narnia is a whole can of worms lol
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Jun 28, 2023 15:29
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Get out of here Civvie. (Civvie playin' S.T.A.L.K.E.R.)
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Jun 28, 2023 15:38
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The Saddest Rhino posted:Oh the last book of narnia is a whole can of worms lol If people pray for evil things in my name they're actually worshipping the demon god
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Jun 28, 2023 15:39
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KingKalamari posted:Look, can we just skip ahead in this FFXVI/X-Men discussion to the part where Storm grows a mohawk and forces Chris Claremont to call her mommy? Now, she wouldn't force. She would use telepathy and it would be revealed it wasn't actually Storm at the time.
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Jun 28, 2023 15:39
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DoctorWhat posted:Feels like more people itt should watch Kamen Rider Black Sun Black Sun was loving excellent.
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Jun 28, 2023 16:00
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Glad I never picked up those Narnia books after I saw the films. I'm reading through Lord of the Rings and I'm liking it a ton but I'm side-eying some things. One thing I appreciate that the whole saga is the length of one of the Wheel of Time books and makes me appreciate it all the more. Pacing, in my fantasy novel?! All this is really just to say: thank goodness for Ursula Le Guin, my friends.
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Jun 28, 2023 17:05
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these old english authors arent woke enough for my taste
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Jun 28, 2023 17:14
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:these old english authors arent woke enough for my taste I mean, with Narnia the problem isn't that it's not woke enough it's that as the series goes on it becomes an increasingly blatant vessel for Christian apologetics.
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Jun 28, 2023 17:17
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I do think it's funny when people use Tolkien as a comparison to defend certain other problematic authors because it just kinda shows how much more nuanced and complex the work from 1930 is than most modern day examples. The Dwarves are problematic for reasons that have been laid out many many times, but they are still so much better and sympathetic than the Harry Potter goblins.
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Jun 28, 2023 17:28
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:these old english authors arent woke enough for my taste Shocked youtuber thumbnail face on the right with "Tolkein said WHAT??!!' in large red letters on the left. Picture of Tolkein with fiery eyes in the background. Video length 2h47m titled 'We need to talk about Gimli...'
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Jun 28, 2023 17:37
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Skippy McPants posted:Get out of here Civvie. LOL, people are getting mad at me in the comments for calling STALKER "retro" (it's 16 years old): 
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Jun 28, 2023 17:48
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mycot posted:I do think it's funny when people use Tolkien as a comparison to defend certain other problematic authors because it just kinda shows how much more nuanced and complex the work from 1930 is than most modern day examples. The Dwarves are problematic for reasons that have been laid out many many times, but they are still so much better and sympathetic than the Harry Potter goblins. Uh, that's not actually entirely accurate... So I do actually agree that I think Tolkien's work, as it relates to things like race and culture, is more complex and nuanced than one would expect but Tolkien is not necessarily indicative of what was going on in the fantasy genre as a whole in the 1930s. At that point the genre was much more heavily defined by the sorts of stories appearing in pulp magazines which had a much more...problematic relationship to race. There was actually a recent discussion that was going on over in the TTRPG forum about the particulars of race and racism as they appeared in the works of Robert E Howard of Conan fame, and I would say Howard was actually had a more complicated relationship with race in his work than many of his contemporaries. Remember that this was a period when ideas of racialism and eugenics were not only acceptable topics in public discourse but for many people were taken as matters of unquestioned fact. I'd honestly characterize a lot of the problems modern fantasy has with race and biological deterministic philosophy as stemming from those ideas being prominent in the earliest works of pulp fantasy from the start of the 20th century. It doesn't help that Dungeons and Dragons, which was probably one of the single most impactful non-literary work to define the course of fantasy literature, was first developed at a time when old pulp stories like Conan or the works of Edgar Rice Burroughs were seeing a resurgence of popularity through reprints and D&D creator Gary Gygax was a big fan of them and included a lot of those ideas in the worldbuilding of D&D. Also keep in mind that while The Hobbit was published in the 30s, The Lord of the Rings trilogy wasn't released until the 1950s and was written largely during the 1940s.
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Jun 28, 2023 17:49
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The difference is that Tolkien was a curious person who had a deep love of humanity and contempt for war, and even when the racial prejudices that shaped his life make manifest in his writing and lore, you can see those good intentions actually pushing through between the cracks. Someone writing stuff that's exactly as nuanced as Tolkien today, or less nuanced, you can tell that poo poo is insincere. Those nuances which manage to exist are coming from a cynical position of trying to squeeze as much race science in as possible without losing mass audiences.
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Jun 28, 2023 17:55
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Mr.Radar posted:LOL, people are getting mad at me in the comments for calling STALKER "retro" (it's 16 years old): I'm not old, I'm not old! I continue to insist as I slowly shrink and transform into a mummy
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Jun 28, 2023 17:56
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mycot posted:I do think it's funny when people use Tolkien as a comparison to defend certain other problematic authors because it just kinda shows how much more nuanced and complex the work from 1930 is than most modern day examples. The Dwarves are problematic for reasons that have been laid out many many times, but they are still so much better and sympathetic than the Harry Potter goblins. in a series that is otherwise pretty awful in terms of race, I think that warhammer and/or warcraft (same applies to either and they both did this I think) had the best possible response to the issues of antisemitism with Dwarves: making them all drunk, greedy scotsmen. Most problematic racial fantasy caricatures would be solved if we made them Scottish. Mr.Radar posted:LOL, people are getting mad at me in the comments for calling STALKER "retro" (it's 16 years old): I never had thought about this until recently but I think the cringiest thing in the world is watching people your own age age poorly.
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Jun 28, 2023 17:58
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Remembering a Clark Ashton Smith story where he tries to explain for multiple pages that it was okay for his protagonist to be in love with a black woman. Assuring his readers that outside of finding this one black woman attractive he is very properly racist.
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Jun 28, 2023 18:00
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Terrible Opinions posted:Remembering a Clark Ashton Smith story where he tries to explain for multiple pages that it was okay for his protagonist to be in love with a black woman. Assuring his readers that outside of finding this one black woman attractive he is very properly racist. The only moral race fetishism is my race fetishism. This one isn't even dead, sadly. Thinkin' about tweets from romance authors defending their thinly (and sometimes not so thinly) veiled mandingo fantasies.
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Jun 28, 2023 18:05
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KingKalamari posted:Also keep in mind that while The Hobbit was published in the 30s, The Lord of the Rings trilogy wasn't released until the 1950s and was written largely during the 1940s. I realize that my post is written confusingly but by "work" I was reductively referring to Tolkien being old and not the entire body of fantasy literature from the 1930s. But your post is good!
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Jun 28, 2023 18:06
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the only thing really problematic about lord of the rings is that the orcs are the only race that is inherently evil something tolkien was working to fix before he died of old age after decades of writing about gay elves and hobbits
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Jun 28, 2023 18:21
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Impermanent posted:The best possible response to the issues of antisemitism with Dwarves: making them all drunk, greedy scotsmen. Most problematic racial fantasy caricatures would be solved if we made them Scottish. Warhammer Dawi are Northerners, not Scots. They've all got Yorkshire, Manchester and Sheffield accents. The Scots in Warhammer Fantasy are the psychotic wood elves.
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Jun 28, 2023 18:22
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tolkien style dwarves ftw
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Jun 28, 2023 18:22
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Mr.Radar posted:LOL, people are getting mad at me in the comments for calling STALKER "retro" (it's 16 years old): I have an opinion about this that I’d like to run by people to see if it holds up. When I was a kid “retro” meant everything before the fifth generation (N64/PS1/Saturn) and “modern” gaming was what came after, with the fifth generation being kind of a grey area that was in the process of going from modern to retro. I think this is the best definition of retro gaming. My reasoning is that the fifth generation marked a distinct turning point where the entire industry pivoted HARD into 3D. Nowadays people have begun to refer to the seventh generation (Wii/PS3/360) as retro due to the age, but personally I feel that the experience of playing a game from that era is a LOT more similar to the experience of playing a game from this year than it is to playing a game from the fourth (or even fifth) generation, even though the chronological difference is much greater. I think that including games from the sixth generation and beyond waters down the term and limits its utility because the games from those generations share so much more DNA with current games. Does any of that make sense, or is this a classic case of “the way things were when I was a kid is the best way”?
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Jun 28, 2023 18:27
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Ariong posted:I have an opinion about this that I’d like to run by people to see if it holds up. When I was a kid “retro” meant everything before the fifth generation (N64/PS1/Saturn) and “modern” gaming was what came after, with the fifth generation being kind of a grey area that was in the process of going from modern to retro. I think this is the best definition of retro gaming. My reasoning is that the fifth generation marked a distinct turning point where the entire industry pivoted HARD into 3D. Nowadays people have begun to refer to the seventh generation (Wii/PS3/360) as retro due to the age, but personally I feel that the experience of playing a game from that era is a LOT more similar to the experience of playing a game from this year than it is to playing a game from the fourth (or even fifth) generation, even though the chronological difference is much greater. I think that including games from the sixth generation and beyond waters down the term and limits its utility because the games from those generations share so much more DNA with current games. No, I think that definitely makes sense. I think that in general games from the 5th, 6th and 7th generation are now old enough to be called retro in a technical sense but the shift from the 4th to 5th generation definitely marked a huge sea change for the industry to the degree that games from the 5th gen feel markedly more different to ones from the 4th gen than they do in comparison to the 7th or 8th gen. This also just reminds me of the super early 5th gen consoles that ended up being complete nonstarters like the Jaguar and the 3DO
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Jun 28, 2023 18:48
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DoctorWhat posted:The difference is that Tolkien was a curious person who had a deep love of humanity and contempt for war, and even when the racial prejudices that shaped his life make manifest in his writing and lore, you can see those good intentions actually pushing through between the cracks. tolkien's showing appreciation for jews by making them the (reliable, likeable) dwarves is very funny. quote:"I do think of the 'Dwarves' like Jews: at once native and alien in their habitations, speaking the languages of the country, but with an accent due to their own private tongue..." just tossing in a few antisemitic stereotypes, but in a loving way.
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Jun 28, 2023 18:53
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mycot posted:I do think it's funny when people use Tolkien as a comparison to defend certain other problematic authors because it just kinda shows how much more nuanced and complex the work from 1930 is than most modern day examples. The Dwarves are problematic for reasons that have been laid out many many times, but they are still so much better and sympathetic than the Harry Potter goblins. He even came to regret - and like we have proof - things like making "evil races" which is a thing that even today people who make tabletop RPGs get all spun out over maybe being a bad idea. Tolkien wanted absolutely nothing to do with Nazis and their eugenics which of course sadly is a bigger stand than some people today make.
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Jun 28, 2023 19:12
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theres a letter from tolkien where he schools a nazi about what an aryan actually is and how they have nothing to do with germany lol
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Jun 28, 2023 19:36
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The Space trilogy is more interesting than Narnia
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Jun 28, 2023 19:45
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It's more interesting because there's less pretense. I love a story about a good, solid British man discussing ethics with the biblical serpent, only to clobber him to death after the snake proves himself better at rhetoric.
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Jun 28, 2023 20:15
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Mr.Radar posted:LOL, people are getting mad at me in the comments for calling STALKER "retro" (it's 16 years old): I was watching a video of this guy who is optimizing the gently caress out of Mario 64's code to see how much can he make the Nintendo 64 do and there is a moment where he says something like "of course, C was a relatively new coding language at that time so it is understandable for the coders to have that problem". And welp, indeed the span of time between the release of C and Mario 64 is shorter than the one between the release of that game and today. What the gently caress, I'm not old!
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Jun 28, 2023 21:18
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trucutru posted:I was watching a video of this guy who is optimizing the gently caress out of Mario 64's code to see how much can he make the Nintendo 64 do and there is a moment where he says something like "of course, C was a relatively new coding language at that time so it is understandable for the coders to have that problem". I think some of the bigger changes that SM64 missed out on is the long long in C99 and the thread-aware memory model in C11. Neither are going to have meant much since long longs aren't required for 64bit (and N64 wasn't truly 64bit anyway), and games aren't very multithreaded (even nowadays).
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Jun 28, 2023 22:05
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this is in response to grooming allegations https://twitter.com/drewisgooden/status/1674151000385396740?s=20 YouTubers cannot be normal
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Jun 29, 2023 00:49
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Mr.Radar posted:STALKER "retro" (it's 16 years old): No. 
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Jun 29, 2023 01:11
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The 7th Guest posted:this is in response to grooming allegations are they real grooming allegations or does she think trans kids should have rights? I have no idea who this is and the answer is going to shape how I laugh at this edit: I tried looking through the replies but sadly since twitter blue subscribers are the most gormless idiots on the planet that's no longer worth doing
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Jun 29, 2023 01:13
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The first Titanfall is the oldest game I can comprehend that I wouldn’t call retro; I recommend we use this system of deciding.
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Jun 29, 2023 01:14
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Arc Hammer posted:Warhammer Dawi are Northerners, not Scots. They've all got Yorkshire, Manchester and Sheffield accents. oh no its xenoblade chronicles 2 all over again.
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Jun 29, 2023 01:17
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Retro to me is Cartridges and that Janky era of early 3D at latest I guess.
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Jun 29, 2023 01:20
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egg tats posted:are they real grooming allegations or does she think trans kids should have rights? I have no idea who this is and the answer is going to shape how I laugh at this She had a group chat with underage fans, sent an underage fan her (unworn, I guess) underwear, did incredibly inappropriate "physical comedy" with underage fans at live concerts It's 2 weeks old so I'm sure there's other stuff, but here's a 20min video going over this and more! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_4SFqSz5TQ Also h3h3 had a crew member do a deep dive hourish long powerpoint on their 6/21 show.
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Jun 29, 2023 01:24
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Mr.Radar posted:LOL, people are getting mad at me in the comments for calling STALKER "retro" (it's 16 years old): I think retro makes more sense as a descriptor of new media or fashion trends that consciously ape older ones. So Shovel Knight is retro because it's influenced by NES platformers but Super Mario Brothers 3 isn't because it is an NES platformer.
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