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JOHN SKELETON posted:I really like parts of both films, but I think this is exactly why I don't think either film works. Their tone is too realistic, for lack of a better word, that the skin tight uniforms and bat ears feel just completely out of place. I still maintain that they would have been fantastic films as being just about super powered aliens coming to Earth, and formerly powerful people having to deal with that. Lose the baggage of superhero comics and you have a good tonally consistent story. The only Snyder movie I've seen not based on something else is Sucker Punch and that basically wanted to be an overly grimdark superhero comic too.
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Jun 28, 2023 19:15
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rodbeard posted:The only Snyder movie I've seen not based on something else is Sucker Punch and that basically wanted to be an overly grimdark superhero comic too. And Army of the Dead! Although that one might count as "based on every previous Snyder film". Weird confession, but AotD is one of the few films that made me tear up a little. Which is kinda embarrassing. But watching that film while knowing what happened to Snyder and his wife in real life is loving heartbreaking. The protagonist, the antagonist: all of them are driven because they want to do right for their children but fail miserably.
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Jun 28, 2023 19:21
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rodbeard posted:The only Snyder movie I've seen not based on something else is Sucker Punch and that basically wanted to be an overly grimdark superhero comic too. I watched sucker punch in theaters and still have no idea what I watched and why
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Jun 28, 2023 19:49
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Lady Radia posted:I watched sucker punch in theaters and still have no idea what I watched and why From the ad campaign, I'm going to say "schoolgirl uniforms and panty shots".
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Jun 28, 2023 20:00
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I really liked Sucker Punch because it was a series of fun music videos. The conceit was kinda gross but the movie was rad  I don't get why everyone hates it so much. I think one generally only dislikes Sucker Punch if one is disappointed in it, and if one is disappointed in Sucker Punch, their expectations are bananas.
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Jun 28, 2023 20:05
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Lemniscate Blue posted:From the ad campaign, I'm going to say "schoolgirl uniforms and panty shots". As I understand it, that was the point of the movie - to get people in with that marketing and have the whole movie tell you that you, personally, suck for wanting to see that and making its plot about the psychological and sexual abuse that goes into making that kind of cinema (through metaphor, not as an exposé or anything). I don't know if the end result made for a good movie necessarily but I respect the idea.
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Jun 28, 2023 20:14
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Tenebrais posted:As I understand it, that was the point of the movie - to get people in with that marketing and have the whole movie tell you that you, personally, suck for wanting to see that and making its plot about the psychological and sexual abuse that goes into making that kind of cinema (through metaphor, not as an exposé or anything). if this was the point it missed the mark very very badly
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Jun 28, 2023 20:29
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Sucker Punch theatrical had some very blunt scenes that were cut (and weren't restored until like 5 years later or something) because the Execs thought it would be too harsh for the audience. I may be remembering wrong but Oscar Isaac has a larger scene in the dreamscape where he sings a song that spells out the thesis statement of the film. We also see Baby Doll "perform" for Jon Hamm (the person who performs her lobotomy) and her climax of the song then cuts to her on the operating table and him responding something like "hey, she just gave me a look, she's supposed to be unconscious. Oh well, next girl" Like a lot of Snyder films, he does not believe in brevity. Except for Legend of the Guardians, that movie explains anti-facism pretty well in 100 minutes. Plus owls, so it owns
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Jun 28, 2023 21:09
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Sort of the problem when trying to make critique/satire, you have to be extremely good at what you are doing or it reads like a enthusiastic endorsement of what you are attempting to mock.
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Jun 28, 2023 21:19
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Jun 28, 2023 21:26
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Tenebrais posted:As I understand it, that was the point of the movie - to get people in with that marketing and have the whole movie tell you that you, personally, suck for wanting to see that and making its plot about the psychological and sexual abuse that goes into making that kind of cinema (through metaphor, not as an exposé or anything). Yeah but the trailer made it look like an action movie with girls doing cool poo poo in fun outfits. I wanted to watch that movie.
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Jun 28, 2023 21:28
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The Sucker Punch ST is amazing. The music made the movie.
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Jun 28, 2023 21:41
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70s Marvel was peak Marvel. Hit just the right balance of goofy camp and 'serious' subject matter. Also as soon as the Comics Code imploded they started pumping out great horror titles like Tomb of Dracula.
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Jun 28, 2023 22:57
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I just don't think Zack Snyder is the guy to Make A Statement about sexist exploitation movies by making a sexist exploitation movie. I don't think it can't be done, but I also am fundamentally uninterested in his take on it.
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Jun 28, 2023 23:44
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I like his Dawn of the Dead remake. Watchmen is like a B/B+ because of the ending.
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Jun 28, 2023 23:45
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Jun 28, 2023 23:58
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mycatscrimes posted:I just don't think Zack Snyder is the guy to Make A Statement about sexist exploitation movies by making a sexist exploitation movie. I don't think it can't be done, but I also am fundamentally uninterested in his take on it. Zack Snyder is weird because he's an amazing technician and adequate project manager with a great eye for detail, and the narrative/character sensibilities of a particularly stunted 15 year-old and not the kind people want to hang around for very long.
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Jun 29, 2023 00:09
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mind the walrus posted:Zack Snyder is weird because he's an amazing technician and adequate project manager with a great eye for detail, and the narrative/character sensibilities of a particularly stunted 15 year-old and not the kind people want to hang around for very long. Most people love working with him though and have said nothing but praise
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Jun 29, 2023 00:13
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NorgLyle posted:Media that did not age well: Shia was the best part of that movie (not a hard bar to clear, admittedly) and I'm kind of sad they didn't go in that direction instead of digitally manipulating an octogenarian into further whip shenanigans.
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Jun 29, 2023 00:13
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I feel like making fun of Shia is going to age really badly
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Jun 29, 2023 00:14
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LIVE AMMO COSPLAY posted:I feel like making fun of Shia is going to age really badly Why? A bunch of his costars say he's a huge piece of poo poo and he's been accused of domestic violence
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Jun 29, 2023 00:17
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Jun 29, 2023 00:19
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rodbeard posted:Why? A bunch of his costars say he's a huge piece of poo poo and he's been accused of domestic violence Not to defend him, but he's clearly got untreated mental illnesses.
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Jun 29, 2023 00:27
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rodbeard posted:Why? A bunch of his costars say he's a huge piece of poo poo and he's been accused of domestic violence He was a child star who ended up becoming difficult to work with. There's a good chance he went through some serious poo poo and that poo poo will will eventually be acknowledged
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Jun 29, 2023 00:54
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mycatscrimes posted:I just don't think Zack Snyder is the guy to Make A Statement about sexist exploitation movies by making a sexist exploitation movie. I don't think it can't be done, but I also am fundamentally uninterested in his take on it. Specifically, I think Verhoeven did it better with Showgirls. It’s been a really long time since I’ve seen it, though, but I remember it taking a lot of the traits of a “strong, independent woman protagonist” and cranking them up to truly repugnant levels.
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Was Sucker Punch misogynistic? Yes. Was it sexist? Yes. Was it a thinly disguised horny dream of a perpetual 14 year old? Yes. But most of all, and worst of all, it was boring.
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Phylodox posted:Specifically, I think Verhoeven did it better with Showgirls. It’s been a really long time since I’ve seen it, though, but I remember it taking a lot of the traits of a “strong, independent woman protagonist” and cranking them up to truly repugnant levels. I don’t think it’s great because Elizabeth Berkley wasn’t in on the joke, and that was part of the joke. I thought it was funny when I was younger, but she’s like 50 now and people are still laughing at that gif where she kicks someone and her pussy wobbles back and forth. Tommy Weissau at least owns the rights to The Room.
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Jun 29, 2023 01:06
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Mr Interweb posted:can't it just be more likely that people started noticing there's romantic subplots - in many cases, seemingly forced - in pretty much every piece of media that it gets tiring? i actually gave this a bit of thought in recent months and was actually kind of astonished just how ubiquitous romantic relationships are in tv./film/etc. no matter the genre, whether it's action/adventure/comedy/horror/etc., there is almost always at least one love interest involved. and it's almost always with lead characters. why does that need to be a thing? It's a much larger scale than just romance in movies. I have a lot of friends who draw stuff (including porn) and they frequently see harassment frlm a very vocal online crowd of 'puriteens' who are people who feel like they developed their entire sense of morality exclusively through callout posts. https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/puriteens-sex-negative-lgbtq-pride-tiktok-twitter-1180208/ So the probably vocal dislike of movies probably come from them, and isn't any result of 'noticing' so much as being algorithmically fed content dissecting and discussing why certain romance plots in movies are problematic and how that ties into a greater cultural blah blah blah, and then because they're dumbass kids walked away from it with 'romance = toxic' or just plain 'horny = bad' because kids are bad and understanding nuance
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Jun 29, 2023 01:19
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Domestic violence is repugnant and inexcusable even if you're 'going through some poo poo'. Obviously I hope he turns his life around and doesn't excessively suffer, but he doesn't need excuses made for that.
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Jun 29, 2023 04:48
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ishikabibble posted:It's a much larger scale than just romance in movies. I have a lot of friends who draw stuff (including porn) and they frequently see harassment frlm a very vocal online crowd of 'puriteens' who are people who feel like they developed their entire sense of morality exclusively through callout posts. We've also just gone through a very public reckoning about sexual abuse, especially in regards to Hollywood. There's also tons of horror stories about women being subjected to terrible sex scenes and that women are hugely pressured to get naked in front of the camera. Also, I feel like a lot of sex scenes are terrible? Combine those two things and I can see a lot of people going "man is it really worth it?" I see a lot of other dumb stuff about this but I just think we weren't meant to see the opinions of teenagers all the time but it's everywhere now
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Jun 29, 2023 07:11
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Bad sex scenes are like any other bad scene: they are bad
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Jun 29, 2023 07:12
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The thing with LaBeouf is that he at least seems to have a sense of irony about himself, hence appearing in videos like this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0u4M6vppCI
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Jun 29, 2023 08:19
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rodbeard posted:Yeah but the trailer made it look like an action movie with girls doing cool poo poo in fun outfits. I wanted to watch that movie. Yeah, the impression I got was that as a satire, it missed its mark because it didn't really lure in creeps, but it did lure in people who wanted an action movie with female protagonists.
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Jun 29, 2023 09:20
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BioEnchanted posted:The thing with LaBeouf is that he at least seems to have a sense of irony about himself, hence appearing in videos like this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0u4M6vppCI Looking back I kind of feel like this was the crowning achievement of our civilization and every effort since has fallen short.
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Jun 29, 2023 10:05
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Now when is Arnie Hammer going to be in one of those
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I AM GRANDO posted:I don’t think it’s great because Elizabeth Berkley wasn’t in on the joke, and that was part of the joke. I thought it was funny when I was younger, but she’s like 50 now and people are still laughing at that gif where she kicks someone and her pussy wobbles back and forth. loving scuse me? Edit : Well….. Brazilianpeanutwar has a new favorite as of 11:29 on Jun 29, 2023 |
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BioEnchanted posted:The thing with LaBeouf is that he at least seems to have a sense of irony about himself, hence appearing in videos like this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0u4M6vppCI that was incredible and apparently the last video that guy made on that channel hope he's doing okay
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Mr Interweb posted:that was incredible Shia LeBeouf got him. Or even more ironically, Arnie Hammer.
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AceOfFlames posted:Shia LeBeouf got him. But yes he mainly does children's music.
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