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I wonder if Cornell West will forgive my student loan?
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BAGS FLY AT NOON posted:Let’s circle back around in November 2024
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Jun 30, 2023 18:40
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Student Loan Never-Forgiveness will be 2032's Supreme Court 5-4 Decision
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Jun 30, 2023 18:42
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Drawing on his strengths, President Biden announces new Student Loan Debt Forgetfulness plan
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Jun 30, 2023 18:57
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pack the court into another titan submersible
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Jun 30, 2023 19:08
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thank you Joe Biden!
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Joe promises he will do specific things if you elect him Joe falls off his bike, trips on stairs, gets his VP hooked on large amounts of Xanax, and fails to do those specific things "Wh... Why is your criticism aimed at Joe?" 
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Jun 30, 2023 19:42
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Animal-Mother posted:Joe promises he will do specific things if you elect him it's extremely funny that he keeps doing all this, and yet will still end up being the greatest american president in the past 40 years simply by ending a foreverwar and not beginning a new one ...yet
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Jun 30, 2023 19:47
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Ending a foreverwar by... abandoning your allies to the Taliban. iirc this was Trump's call, Biden just abided by it. So we can blame them both, in the spirit of bipartisanship!
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Jun 30, 2023 20:19
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Jun 30, 2023 20:27
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If Biden were to try expanding the court, Republicans would just block that too*. Would that also be Biden's fault? *and then move to expand it themselves as soon as the next R president is elected
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Jun 30, 2023 20:30
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i'm keeping it open so i can chain probe leon 
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Jun 30, 2023 20:30
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No, no, no, you should trust your party because they definitely mean it this time!
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Jun 30, 2023 20:31
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Devils Affricate posted:If Biden were to try expanding the court, Republicans would just block that too*. Would that also be Biden's fault? tha blameless one
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Jun 30, 2023 20:31
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hot cocoa on the couch posted:tha blameless one You can blame Biden for plenty of things he's actually responsible for, I don't see why the GOP or their SCOTUS get to dump their share on him just because he's the President. His student loan forgiveness plan was based on sound legal policy, the GOP pushed a bunch of lawsuits based on no coherent argument or standing, and 6 justices picked the one they hated the least. Which part of that story is Biden responsible for?
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Jun 30, 2023 20:36
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how do i shot loan
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Serious_Cyclone posted:You can blame Biden for plenty of things he's actually responsible for, I don't see why the GOP or their SCOTUS get to dump their share on him just because he's the President. His student loan forgiveness plan was based on sound legal policy, the GOP pushed a bunch of lawsuits based on no coherent argument or standing, and 6 justices picked the one they hated the least. Which part of that story is Biden responsible for? incrfedible post history
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How long until they start filing lawsuits against the new income-based plan? A lot of people would see their monthly payment drop to 0 under it. Republicans won't let that stand.
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Jun 30, 2023 20:44
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Serious_Cyclone posted:You can blame Biden for plenty of things he's actually responsible for, I don't see why the GOP or their SCOTUS get to dump their share on him just because he's the President. His student loan forgiveness plan was based on sound legal policy, the GOP pushed a bunch of lawsuits based on no coherent argument or standing, and 6 justices picked the one they hated the least. Which part of that story is Biden responsible for? The part where, instead of just forgiving loans on day 1 he announced the plan and gave out the details specifically to give time for injunctions so he could be stopped. Do you really not get this? Like truly? At some point when Charlie Brown keeps handing the football to Lucy to hold for the kick it’s his fault, not hers.
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SchrodingersCat posted:How long until they start filing lawsuits against the new income-based plan? Yeah that’s my concern. I feel like through all of this, there was always this reassuring “they won’t have standing because it’s dumb for XYZ reasons” but now it seems like you can just keep doing that on a partisan issue until you find a sympathetic court and get a slam dunk ruling in your favor?
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Devils Affricate posted:If Biden were to try expanding the court, Republicans would just block that too*. Would that also be Biden's fault? Better just stand there with your dick in your hand mumbling about precedent and decorum then.
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Jun 30, 2023 20:51
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Every time I think about my ~30k in student loans and couple thousand in assorted other debts, I say to myself, "I should figure out what to do about that soon." I've been thinking that for 15 years now. At this point it's gonna be easiest to just stay on an IDR or wait until I die
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Jun 30, 2023 20:52
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pseudanonymous posted:The part where, instead of just forgiving loans on day 1 he announced the plan and gave out the details specifically to give time for injunctions so he could be stopped. I mean, if you think he could get away with just wiping the loans immediately, then what do you think could stop the next Republican president from immediately undoing that and re-instating the loans (plus extra interest because "gently caress you")?
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Jun 30, 2023 20:55
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Serious_Cyclone posted:You can blame Biden for plenty of things he's actually responsible for, I don't see why the GOP or their SCOTUS get to dump their share on him just because he's the President. His student loan forgiveness plan was based on sound legal policy, the GOP pushed a bunch of lawsuits based on no coherent argument or standing, and 6 justices picked the one they hated the least. Which part of that story is Biden responsible for? The part where he didn't even try to do anything to make the plan more likely to hold up. Like packing the SCOTUS as soon as he had the chance. Also the part where it didn't happen. pseudanonymous posted:The part where, instead of just forgiving loans on day 1 he announced the plan and gave out the details specifically to give time for injunctions so he could be stopped. Also this.
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LanceHunter posted:I mean, if you think he could get away with just wiping the loans immediately, then what do you think could stop the next Republican president from immediately undoing that and re-instating the loans (plus extra interest because "gently caress you")? It's much easier to tear something down than to build it back up. Wiping balances is much, much easier than reversing the whole process.
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LanceHunter posted:I mean, if you think he could get away with just wiping the loans immediately, then what do you think could stop the next Republican president from immediately undoing that and re-instating the loans (plus extra interest because "gently caress you")? It’s almost like it would be good politics to do something for your base and force your opponents to paint a giant target on their backs by taking it away.
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Jun 30, 2023 21:02
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pseudanonymous posted:The part where, instead of just forgiving loans on day 1 he announced the plan and gave out the details specifically to give time for injunctions so he could be stopped. He literally cannot do that. https://thecollegeinvestor.com/3589...0by%20Congress.
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I. M. Gei posted:The part where he didn't even try to do anything to make the plan more likely to hold up. Like packing the SCOTUS as soon as he had the chance. When did he have the chance to pack SCOTUS? What could he have done to make the plan more likely to hold up other than basing it on sound legal policy that was in-place at the time it was written? Be specific. quote:Also this. This is a take completely ignorant of how anything actually works.
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Serious_Cyclone posted:This is a take completely ignorant of how anything actually works. Yeah, it's another case of: LanceHunter posted:Basically, every time there's been a terrible ruling someone on hammer-and-sickle-avatar Twitter will propose some "1 weird trick!" idea that will get around the ruling/defang the court/etc. (When they overturned Roe there was an argument that Biden could immediately approve the Equal Rights Amendment to reverse the decision, even though the amendment failed to pass and has been dead since 1982.) These proposed plans then spread through the online game of telephone until some people are convinced that they are actual solutions and not complete pipe dreams. They then see the fact that Biden isn't going through with them as a sign that he secretly agrees with SCOTUS.
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Jun 30, 2023 21:09
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He just announced he's going to go around SCOTUS and use the higher education act
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 Why didn't he just (flails arms around), you know, dictator it or something???
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Cousin Todd posted:He just announced he's going to go around SCOTUS and use the higher education act This will be interesting... New York Times posted:The Higher Education Act gives the secretary of education the power to “compromise, waive or release any right, title, claim, lien or demand, however acquired, including any equity or any right of redemption.” EDIT: New York Times posted:In his remarks just now, Biden said using the Higher Education Act would take longer than his original plan, but he called it “legally sound” and said, “In my view, it’s the best path that remains to providing as many borrowers as possible with debt relief.” He said that he had directed his team to move forward as quickly as possible, and that Education Secretary Miguel Cardona had just taken the first step to start the process. LanceHunter fucked around with this message at 21:27 on Jun 30, 2023 |
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The problem is that if he waves 10k of student debt then it becomes obvious he can do all the debt and simply chooses not to.
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i really wish he would just andrew jackson it and go "john roberts can take a flying gently caress at a rolling donut, let him enforce his decision"
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Serious_Cyclone posted:Be specific. No. Serious_Cyclone posted:This is a take completely ignorant of how anything actually works. At this point I don't really give a gently caress how anything actually works. All I know is Joe Biden told me my student loans would be forgiven, and now it's not gonna happen and I'm mad and I'm gonna keep on thinking it's Biden's fault cuz I'm mad. EDIT: lol the mods had to put a 10-minute post timer on this thread cuz everyone is so mad
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Cpt_Obvious posted:The problem is that if he waves 10k of student debt then it becomes obvious he can do all the debt and simply chooses not to. been saying this since very early in teh threead. if he has the executive power to cancel some, he has the executive power to cancel all. if you know you're going to be fought on it, why not go big? the answer, like any q about biden, is obvious though
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I. M. Gei posted:No. lol wtf. who did this poo poo. speak up
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