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I forgot to put in that D and E are also mutually exclusive.
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paragon1 posted:C It's not just a humanitarian issue, it's a security one. Guangdong won't be secure when 90% of the population isn't participating in its social structures. Yeah, that makes sense. C Are any countries in this mod capable of becoming nice places to live, or are slight improvements the best one can hope for?
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South America's probably pretty okay if you live in a place that doesn't get a military dictatorship, so pretty much like OTL South America in the 60s.
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Chatrapati posted:Yeah, that makes sense. C The USA can build The Great Society or undergo the massive restructuring of Hart, or RFK and Harrington successfully eradicating poverty.
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Sablin is the blessed path for russia
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Chatrapati posted:Are any countries in this mod capable of becoming nice places to live, or are slight improvements the best one can hope for? china, funnily enough, though you'll never actually see it happen
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A, dig baby, dig! But consciously and for greater good.
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I vote CChatrapati posted:Are any countries in this mod capable of becoming nice places to live, or are slight improvements the best one can hope for? Last time I played, which was admittedly quite a few updates ago, it was possible to take over Germany as Speer, have him try and make token reforms to try and make the Reich at least a functional state, only for him to end up sidelined by actual reformists who tear down the Nazi state institutions and leave Fuhrer Speer little more than a puppet as they shut down the slave system, return power to the Reichstag, and grant Germany's conquests meaningful independence.
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Angry Salami posted:German spoilers I dunno whether OP intends to showcase Germany's routes at some point, but I wouldn't go into that much detail regardless. Regardless, voting for B. From a roleplaying standpoint I'd argue we'd want the infrastructure in place before we can actually see about doing anything about the countryside.
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Yeah that's a little too much detail about what paths countries can take.
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most countries in the mod have outcomes that are “better” than they started but the mod pushes you to ask “better for whom” and “at what cost”
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C has the most votes, and so we will introduce the Industrial Development Ordinance to the Legislative Council. However, there are two different approaches we can take: 1:  2: 
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1. Incorporate the Villages. Everything in Guangdong should be a corporation.
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I assume when there's a cutoff for the Effect of a choice it shouldn't be too different from one to the other? I would probably like to see that info as well before making choices, so long as it isn't too onerous, and ofc assuming that you don't in fact prefer that choices be made primarily based on the flavor text at the top instead, which is perfectly fine btw.
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1. Incorporate everything!
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gonna go with the mob and 1. Incorporate everything.
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1 The optics on 2 are pretty unworkable considering... extremely recent history.
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"IF they agree"; the if is big as those villages themselves. Hard Pass. 1.
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1. Incorporate the Villages Maybe we'll get a nice little moment with Officer Kōsen and his family.
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KazigluBey posted:I assume when there's a cutoff for the Effect of a choice it shouldn't be too different from one to the other? I would probably like to see that info as well before making choices, so long as it isn't too onerous, and ofc assuming that you don't in fact prefer that choices be made primarily based on the flavor text at the top instead, which is perfectly fine btw. I mean, you don't get to know exactly what the effects will be when you vote for someone or something in real life, right? You just go with the information that's available to you and hope it works out for the best.
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This doesn't seem like the kind of HOI4 mod that encourages min-maxing
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theblastizard posted:This doesn't seem like the kind of HOI4 mod that encourages min-maxing Min-maxing is in the eye of the beholder, and it's never really the whole point of any given story, but figuring out how to make numbers go up as high as possible is probably more a thing for Guangdong than any other country in the mod.
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1. Let's go to countryside, to count and write.. Under the watchful eyes of armed guards.
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The whole reason for stuff being vague or unclear is to put you in the direct suits of the people in power who either don't know, have to guess, or are so subsumed in fascist thinking they assume everything will go perfectly compared to most other games.
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I won't be playing Himmler's Burgundy state so I'll say that a neat little detail is when you load it up the first time there's a gunshot and your economy screen is totally unusable because it's got a bullet hole in it. Himmler had his economics advisor shot and now you're totally at the mercy of events.
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Moon Slayer posted:I won't be playing Himmler's Burgundy state so I'll say that a neat little detail is when you load it up the first time there's a gunshot and your economy screen is totally unusable because it's got a bullet hole in it. Himmler had his economics advisor shot and now you're totally at the mercy of events. the exact sequence, for those who care: himmler tasks a member of the SS, oswald pohl, to find more money to fund his personal projects. pohl spends a few weeks looking through badly managed books and comes to the conclusion that himmler has been grossly mismanaging the economy, that the entire system is teetering on collapse, and it needs to immediately enact major reforms to survive. himmler receives this report and has pohl shot for attempting to undermine the state, after which the economic mechanics turn to this:  (this flashes and glitches out if you stay on it.) while you can no longer interact with or see your economy, the mechanics continue to run in the background. you, the player, are able to ignore all the events about people struggling to get paid about 1970 when all the money finally runs out, multiple collaborator legions stop following orders, and a huge rebellion breaks out. even if he can clamp down on the revolution, himmler has no resources to do anything and everyone looks at him as an incompetent dipshit (albeit one who has forever scarred europe). the economy screen then turns back on so you can see you see the consequences of your actions. QuoProQuid fucked around with this message at 18:15 on Jun 28, 2023 |
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Moon Slayer posted:I won't be playing Himmler's Burgundy state so I'll say that a neat little detail is when you load it up the first time there's a gunshot and your economy screen is totally unusable because it's got a bullet hole in it. Himmler had his economics advisor shot and now you're totally at the mercy of events. unfortunately as far as gameplay mechanics are concerned it's let down by the fact that after this the economy does mechanically cease to matter for Burgundy, which undermines the point QuoProQuid posted:
oh, that's interesting. I could never stomach actually playing Burgundy long enough for this to happen so I thought it just kinda kept trucking indefinitely
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cock hero flux posted:You get to watch every number on the economy screen completely crash and burn for a year and a half first. Then you get an event where Oswald Pohl goes to talk to Himmler about how the economy is completely melting down and needs drastic reforms and Himmler just shoots him. Things really get better after Himmler restructures the economy around, ahem 'renewable ressources'.
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I think the whole economy doesn't matter for burgundy thing and an important minister getting shot at the start is probably the gameplay/narrative element that's survived the longest beyond the basics through all of it's development history. One draft specifically involved you "Playing" as a high level administrative officer throughout a Burgundy game as they work their way up the ranks, with the possibility of getting killed/purged for making the wrong decisions, which would then fire an event that crashed the game. I'm not really sure it would have worked out well but who knows, it was also back when the mod had a completely different tone, not to mention a completely different dev team.
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Burgundy is in this odd place where it was meant to be the villain of a narrative game, but has been orphaned by the tonal shift away from that so now they're just sitting there as a German North Korea unless they catastrophically collapse 1970ish, barring a unique German Civil War outcome.
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Frankly the most insane nazi state doing nothing but decay until it inevitably collapses sounds pretty drat realistic. Better then the old puppet master poo poo.
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Chapter 18: November 1966 - March 1967 The Modern Princess Life in Guangdong, for the moment, could possibly be described as good. The Chief Executive’s reforms were proving popular with all members of society lower than a boardroom, peace had returned to China, and there was a palpable sense that maybe things were moving in the right direction. However, over the last week, Yasukawa Yoshiko had noted a strange … “mood” wasn’t the right word, perhaps “feeling” or even just “sense” … had settled across the Three Pearls. Just a general worry in the back of people’s minds that something was a little bit off. While the Fujin Konron didn’t do much reporting on international events, they subscribed to the Domei Tsushin’s wire service, and Yoshiko would occasionally wander over to the telefax machine on a long lunch break and try to get a sense what was happening around the world. The first few discrepancies she blamed on Japanese censors not taking their job seriously enough. But after a while she began noting things that just didn’t quite mesh with the way she remembered them.  “Were there always communist in the Levant?” she asked herself one afternoon, scouring a wire service report out of Cairo. “And why is this article talking about the Triumvirate like they no longer exist?”  “Speaking of communists, weren’t they rioting in Finland? And I know they managed to unify West Russia too, but I thought they called themselves something different? When did the war over there end?”  Even a major, shocking triumph by the Kennedy administration had apparently passed her publication by uncommented on by anyone! However, despite this oddity, life in Guangdong went on; much the same as before, perhaps even a little better every month. And with the Makao gambling license up for a vote and rumors that the Chief Executive was preparing major new land reform legislation, Yoshiko and others who were well plugged-in to international events eventually forgot that they had ever been worried in the first place. ... Yeah, so remember that thing I was dismissive of and confident wouldn’t affect the LP? It did. Anyway, let’s get back to it! When we last left off, Stanley Ho’s opponents were making a last-ditch attempt to stop him from taking control of Guangdong’s underworld and starting to bend it to serve the Chief Executive’s vision.  A few bribes and changes to the language to give some Sony and Cheung Kong legislators a leg up in the new underworld order and we’ve got enough votes to pass.    Enough so that the other companies’ offers can be declined.    Always more to do, though, and the Chief Executive begins serious work on the Industrial Development Ordinance.  If Ibuka is mad about it, it must be the right thing to do. quote:World News   quote:The Modern Princess    In the intervening week, General Nagano also returns from his Colombian vacation. quote:The Modern Princess  It can be done. We know it can, and we know that it will benefit the people. What we don’t have is the votes to do it.  All of our dealings with the underworld have driven our levels of corruption up to unsustainable levels. Levels that preclude the amount of bribery that would be required to get this one passed.  So we can’t turn down Matsushita and Fujitsu when they come demanding their pound of flesh. And even then it’s still not enough, so we have to do something even more unpleasant.    We get the bill across the finish line, but not in any state to be proud of. These bills are getting more and more difficult to pass, each victory causes our opponents to play harder and dirtier. And with such high levels of corruption, going on the occasional bribery spree to pass a bill is no longer going to be an option. So let’s do something about that.
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Oh, and I thought things couldn't somehow get worse in Southern/Central Africa holy poo poo.
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By the looks of things, it's the bad ending too. The reichstaat will always collapse, but just how bad things are after is dependant on how long it sticks around and from the screenshot, it's at the absolute worst it can be.
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hoo boy. had a suspicion some ordinance's were better done in a certain order for better results. hardly confirmed, still plenty we've yet to see, but having to make a deal with Hitachi does plenty to bolster that suspicion.
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Oof, yeah. Bit off more than we can chew if we had to deal with loving Hitachi…
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ngl I was surprised how gross it felt to click that.
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