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Icon Of Sin posted:Noticing a fair number of dead tweets today, did Musk finally gently caress up something even more catastrophic than normal? yes
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Icon Of Sin posted:Noticing a fair number of dead tweets today, did Musk finally gently caress up something even more catastrophic than normal? I don't know how to tell you this ... Twitter spun in. there were no survivors
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Jul 1, 2023 20:18
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Icon Of Sin posted:Noticing a fair number of dead tweets today, did Musk finally gently caress up something even more catastrophic than normal?
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Jul 1, 2023 20:19
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Icon Of Sin posted:Noticing a fair number of dead tweets today, did Musk finally gently caress up something even more catastrophic than normal? They're having some (self-inflicted) issues. some dude on Mastodon posted:Twitter is firing off about 10 requests a second to itself to try and fetch content that never arrives because Elon's latest genius innovation is to block people from being able to read Twitter without logging in. Also, they've decided to stiff Google of all companies.
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Jul 1, 2023 20:25
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Jasper Tin Neck posted:.... That won't end well at all. 
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Jul 1, 2023 20:39
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Pine Cone Jones posted:News from Kherson
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Jul 1, 2023 20:41
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standard.deviant posted:This isn't the EVE Online thread. It's built to higher standards.
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Jul 1, 2023 21:10
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Lemniscate Blue posted:It'll be good farmland in the future, if it doesn't get poisoned by DU ammo and any of the hundreds of other ways modern warfare is an environmental nightmare. Oh for sure. 60+ years of soviet industrial runoff - or at least the sludge that deposited at the bottom of the river - will be great for farming and human consumption
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Jul 1, 2023 23:15
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Captain Postal posted:Oh for sure. 60+ years of soviet industrial runoff - or at least the sludge that deposited at the bottom of the river - will be great for farming and human consumption And considering that farmable land isn't exactly a thing that Ukraine is short off. So maybe leave the industrial sludge sediment to rot and dilude for a decade or five before taking it into use.
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Jul 1, 2023 23:21
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M_Gargantua posted:I think you can bridge silt with enough rough sawn timber, and they've got the tractors and flat beds to move that sort of cheap bulk obstacle countermeasure. That's more where I was going with the bridging, not that you could just roll right through the silt mud but even actually bridging across that poo poo has to be an easier prospect than when it was all water.
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Jul 2, 2023 00:39
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Some tanks like the K2 have a river fording kit with a telescoping snorkel for the commander–you're saying it can't make it through silt?
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Jul 2, 2023 03:03
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No but I know a few farmers who can dump enough nonporous poo poo on top of silt to make it tank safe. It's like building 4 castles on a swamp but they keep sinking. Except the castles are cheap gravel and timber and there is no building since you can just yeet it
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Jul 2, 2023 03:31
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corduroy_road They're nowhere near as good as a metalled road, but they beat the poo poo out of just grading a patch of dirt if you have to deal with waterlogged ground.
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Jul 2, 2023 03:41
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Cool, now I know what those are called
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Jul 2, 2023 03:42
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feel like we haven't seen log cope cages in a while
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Jul 2, 2023 04:07
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A.o.D. posted:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corduroy_road Every time I hear/read "corduroy road" this gets stuck in my head. Enjoy.
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Jul 2, 2023 04:07
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I found out long ago (Oh-oh-oh-oh-oh) It's a long way down the corduroy road (Oh-oh-oh-oh-oh) Corduroy ro-oh-o-oh-oad Corduroy ro-oh-o-oh-oad Vlad be nimble, Vlad be quick (Oh-oh-oh-oh-oh) Take a ride on a lake bed kick (Oh-oh-oh-oh-oh) Corduroy ro-oh-o-oh-oad Corduroy ro-oh-o-oh-oad Corduroy ro-oh-o-oh-oad Corduroy ro-oh-o-oh-oad
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Jul 2, 2023 04:14
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'Cause we got a great big corduroy Loggin' through the night Yeah, we got a great big corduroy Ain't she a beautiful sight? Come on and join our corduroy Ain't nothin' gonna get in our way We gonna roll this muddy corduroy 'Cross the USA Corduroy (ah, you wanna give me a 9-5 on that, Pig Pen?)
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Jul 2, 2023 04:26
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Suicide Watch posted:Some tanks like the K2 have a river fording kit with a telescoping snorkel for the commander–you're saying it can't make it through silt? Swimming through water may in fact be easier than wading through mud deeper than the tank is tall, yes.
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Jul 2, 2023 04:35
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You know some mfer is going to name their tank Artax and then just drive it into the slurry
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Jul 2, 2023 05:55
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Jul 2, 2023 06:09
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bit of interesting listening about what russian security agencies were up to during the mutiny galeotti (rusi among other things) https://twitter.com/MarkGaleotti/status/1675439360068448257?s=20
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Jul 2, 2023 11:36
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Diarrhea Elemental posted:That's more where I was going with the bridging, not that you could just roll right through the silt mud but even actually bridging across that poo poo has to be an easier prospect than when it was all water. I very much doubt that. At minimum Ukraine would have to build 3 kilometers of road that would be very slow process and impossible to hide. And that would give them a one or at most few single-lane avenues of attack. Russia could just decide whether they use artillery to destroy the road before it's finished, or wait until attack convoy is crossing the road and then cut it at both ends. Amphibious landing is a difficult prospect, but at least they can be done suddenly, from all sorts of directions and at any number of landing spots.
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Jul 2, 2023 12:12
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Saukkis posted:I very much doubt that. At minimum Ukraine would have to build 3 kilometers of road that would be very slow process and impossible to hide. And that would give them a one or at most few single-lane avenues of attack. Russia could just decide whether they use artillery to destroy the road before it's finished, or wait until attack convoy is crossing the road and then cut it at both ends. Amphibious landing is a difficult prospect, but at least they can be done suddenly, from all sorts of directions and at any number of landing spots. Corduroy roads can be put up very quickly, and are quick to repair, as well. They're adequate for getting heavy machinery through swampy ground, even if you cant move very quickly over them. Of course, it can be damaged by artillery, and yeah, it would be a single avenue of advance, but it's a workable option if nothing better presents itself. Your points about amphibious landings are correct, but a makeshift road has it beat on sustainability, operating conditions, and operation tempo. You don't need specialized vehicles that an army in the field wouldn't already have to make or operate on one, and any truck driver can drive across one day or night. That's not to say that an amphibious landing wouldn't have utility, just that there are probably lower risks and greater utility in using a temporary road surface in difficult ground, depending on the exact conditions in the field and the tactical realities at any given moment of the conflict. edit: Swamp mats are a thing, and are even faster to build, but with the cost of having to be manufactured ahead of time and brought into position, rather than sourced in place. With that said, if friendly logistics are just on the other side of a river, they can be a pretty good to great option. editx2: Bonus road building video! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LzIncX8YaI A.o.D. fucked around with this message at 12:35 on Jul 2, 2023 |
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Jul 2, 2023 12:18
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Sherman made 10 miles of corduroy road a day in is march through the Carolina swamps with pure manpower so around two miles of road with modern machinery probably wont be so bad. https://youtu.be/Q9Tw4W-WO-4?t=312 Here is a ww2 training film on building military roads over difficult terrain. JudgeJoeBrown fucked around with this message at 13:01 on Jul 2, 2023 |
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Jul 2, 2023 12:53
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JudgeJoeBrown posted:Sherman made 10 miles of corduroy road a day in is march through the Carolina swamps with pure manpower so around two miles of road with modern machinery probably wont be so bad. Did he have modern long range howitzers and rocket artillery trained on him all the time?
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Jul 2, 2023 12:58
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It would still be too slow even with modern trackways. The big problem would be the single lane. An engineering tank carrying mats will reach the end of the road, roll out couple tens of meters of road, and then back out of the road all the way to the start so the next tank can do it's run. They would have to build two roads side-by-side to make it at all practical, that's at least couple thousand rolls of mat. I wouldn't dare to do that under easy drone surveillance.
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steinrokkan posted:Did he have modern long range howitzers and rocket artillery trained on him all the time? No, but let me stress this part, he had horses and privates. With modernish equipment you could get the 3 miles of road installed in a couple of hours day or night, and Russian command is notoriously slow to react, heavily centralized, and discourages initiative. If you can secure some element of surprise, you could already have a breakout force demanding attention and pushing back the field artillery. It wouldn't prevent longer ranged artillery from attacking the road, but again, this kind of road is fairly easy to repair. It's not impossible, and it's been done (a lot) before.
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I've been wondering if destroying the dam was actually a really bad idea for the Russians, if they hoped to make attacks more difficult. Dnipro river was already a considerable obstacle and a wider probably doesn't materially change that, maybe make the prospect slightly easier if the enemy can't observe you right from the opposite bank. My understanding was that the swamps at the left bank would have been a considerably bigger obstacle, a difficult passage for infantry and no place for any vehicle. If Ukraine would want to attack around Kherson the only options would seem to be to cross around Antonivka bridge and then continue south along the highway. Or do an amphibous assault through the Konka river, zooming past Russian defence positions until the river reaches solid ground at Oleshky, quite a sketchy prospect. But when the area was flooded there was probably paths all over the place deep enough for small boats. For example the attached satellite photo of Oleshky, I bet lot of that would be passable. If Ukrainians had been preparing for an amphibous assault the dam collapse would have been a golden opportunity for them. Which I guess is a proof that they didn't destroy the dam.
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Saukkis posted:I've been wondering if destroying the dam was actually a really bad idea for the Russians, if they hoped to make attacks more difficult. Dnipro river was already a considerable obstacle and a wider probably doesn't materially change that, maybe make the prospect slightly easier if the enemy can't observe you right from the opposite bank. Pretty sure the dam collapse was a combination of deliberate Russian mismanagement and mother nature doin mother nature things. i.e. close the spillways or don't open enough, in order to overtop the dam and within a couple days you will be well over full pool and then welp, the dam is coming down very quickly after that. Explosives would make things happen faster if you can put a hole into the dam somehow and allow water through into an area it wasn't supposed to be in, but its more debatable whether what Russians had rigged the dam with would actually have brought it down, where millions of gallons of river water going over the top will definitely erode it to the point of collapse. orange juche fucked around with this message at 14:07 on Jul 2, 2023 |
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orange juche posted:Pretty sure the dam collapse was a combination of deliberate Russian mismanagement and mother nature doin mother nature things. i.e. close the spillways or don't open enough, in order to overtop the dam and within a couple days you will be well over full pool and then welp, the dam is coming down very quickly after that. Wait, is this a bit or are we seriously still doing the "Why would Russia blow up their own X?" thing?
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IPCRESS posted:Any big hovercraft still exist? Give’em a squadron of LCACs and see what happens.
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A.o.D. posted:Wait, is this a bit or are we seriously still doing the "Why would Russia blow up their own X?" thing? Have you ever seen someone trying to blow up a dam? It is nearly impossible, dams only fail if you don't want them to. So the dam being gone is evidence that the Russians destroyed it accidentally. If they wanted to blow it up it would still be standing.
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AlternateNu posted:Give’em a squadron of LCACs and see what happens. So that the first bit of debris lying around costs them a million dollar prop that they never have enough of?
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IPCRESS posted:Any big hovercraft still exist? Largest hovercraft in the world were built in Fedosiya on Crimea and Ukraine sold a few to Greece and China.
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Jul 2, 2023 15:37
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Maybe an ekranoplan
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A.o.D. posted:Wait, is this a bit or are we seriously still doing the "Why would Russia blow up their own X?" thing? I think it's very legitimate to be torn between "Why would Russia blow up their own X?" and "Russia couldn't possibly be incompetent enough to let X happen". Plenty of both to go around from the last year.
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Jul 2, 2023 15:51
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Reminder it's not actually "their own". Edit: and no, they don't really believe it is.
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Alchenar posted:I think it's very legitimate to be torn between "Why would Russia blow up their own X?" and "Russia couldn't possibly be incompetent enough to let X happen". Plenty of both to go around from the last year. I thought the obvious evidence that the collapse happened well below the waterline, the seismic indications of explosions, and reported satellite IR imagery of explosions had resolved this question.
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Godholio posted:I thought the obvious evidence that the collapse happened well below the waterline, the seismic indications of explosions, and reported satellite IR imagery of explosions had resolved this question. Well Im just asking questions!
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