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RyokoTK
Feb 12, 2012

I am cool.

wuffles posted:

I just hope they can do something with the loot system to make it feel like you’re killing monsters for cool armor/weapons as opposed to sifting through the garbage you picked up along the side of the highway for bottles to take back to the store.

This was one thing Grim Dawn did that no other game really does… almost every kind of monster and boss has a chance to drop a “monster infrequent” which is a rare that also has special affixes tacked on, or skill bonuses or modifiers. And some MIs are truly build defining, and for stuff that like changes the damage type of a skill they also changed the graphic of that skill to match.

It did take them years and years to add in all that stuff and balance it right, MIs at launch were really generic. But it’s a cool way to target loot and still have that slot machine aspect because while MI affixes are completely static, if it appears on a dogshit rare it’s still no good.

I guess it is how you put legendary affixes on rares in this game but they come from specific enemy drops so it’s more engaging imo, and there’s no mix and match.

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wuffles
Apr 10, 2004

satanic splash-back posted:

They do if the item level/power is higher

But the level ranges and roll ranges overlap because casino reasons

I found this today and it's the first time it's had better rolls on any of the affixes, the last half-dozen have been trash--including the one that was 802 item power with the same stat ranges these have. They've all had the same ranges.

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Verviticus
Mar 13, 2006

I'm just a total piece of shit and I'm not sure why I keep posting on this site. Christ, I have spent years with idiots giving me bad advice about online dating and haven't noticed that the thread I'm in selects for people that can't talk to people worth a damn.
well the one on the left has been upgraded into the ancestral ilvl, letting you access the higher stat ranges

Gwaihir
Dec 8, 2009
Hair Elf

wuffles posted:

I found this today and it's the first time it's had better rolls on any of the affixes, the last half-dozen have been trash--including the one that was 802 item power with the same stat ranges these have. They've all had the same ranges.



If you had an 802 drop you at least had the option of upgrading it past 815 to reroll the affixes at higher ranges.

wuffles
Apr 10, 2004

Gwaihir posted:

If you had an 802 drop you at least had the option of upgrading it past 815 to reroll the affixes at higher ranges.

I mean I hit the upgrade button the max times to be sure I wasn't making a mistake and all the comparison numbers were still red

kaxman
Jan 15, 2003

ninjoatse.cx posted:

Those messages last about a second if your computer’s fast. Wish there was a way to scroll through them

No I mean the message box that floats over game. The one that says "kaxman opened a nightmare dungeon(69)" or whatever. Though it's weird sometimes it does disappear before all the text displays and in truth you're usually going to tab open the map before it even fully renders.

Regarding ilvl the breakpoints are 625 and 725, I don't think there is another one at 825, but there probably should be, was supposed to be, or will be. Maybe it was intended for world tier 5.

bus hustler
Mar 14, 2019

Gwaihir posted:

If you had an 802 drop you at least had the option of upgrading it past 815 to reroll the affixes at higher ranges.

all of this sucks and is not fun, its out of game spreadsheet bullshit that is never explained to a player in the game. its absolutely awful design that you can essentially cap out gear in your 50s and the entire next tier of gear (that is supposed to be is such a weak rear end upgrade that it's indistinguishable from the tier of gear that's supposed to last you from level 70-100 (something like 70% of the total XP your character will earn)

bus hustler fucked around with this message at 01:52 on Jul 3, 2023

Verviticus
Mar 13, 2006

I'm just a total piece of shit and I'm not sure why I keep posting on this site. Christ, I have spent years with idiots giving me bad advice about online dating and haven't noticed that the thread I'm in selects for people that can't talk to people worth a damn.
armor and weapon damage are both really good

Damn Dirty Ape
Jan 23, 2015

I love you Dr. Zaius



I'm in the low sixties and NM dungeon leveling is getting a little old and upgrades are few and far between. I realize there is a big jump coming with WT4 but man it is dragging for right now. I supposed I could work on renown again but that would mostly involve doing boring easy aspect dungeons.

Uniques are kind of weird for me. I think I've had like 7 unique drops (aside from story ones) and of those 2 are the same amulet, 2 are the same pair of pants, and 3 are the same gloves (2 of which I got within a couple minutes of each other, which was really odd).

My rogue is pretty fun but I wish there was some sort of ability to make the radius of my traps bigger. With the paragon board it's crazy how much more powerful I am while on a trap vs off a trap. My biggest complaint with the mobs right now is I feel Blizz went a little too hard on the whole 'explodes when it dies' thing.

I'd start an alt, but I kind of want to wait for season 1. Probably make a druid or a necro. In all ARPGs I eventually make an all minion build that I grow to hate so I may as well get it over with.

Zeg
Mar 31, 2013

Am not good at video games.

RyokoTK posted:

This was one thing Grim Dawn did that no other game really does… almost every kind of monster and boss has a chance to drop a “monster infrequent” which is a rare that also has special affixes tacked on, or skill bonuses or modifiers. And some MIs are truly build defining, and for stuff that like changes the damage type of a skill they also changed the graphic of that skill to match.

It did take them years and years to add in all that stuff and balance it right, MIs at launch were really generic. But it’s a cool way to target loot and still have that slot machine aspect because while MI affixes are completely static, if it appears on a dogshit rare it’s still no good.

I guess it is how you put legendary affixes on rares in this game but they come from specific enemy drops so it’s more engaging imo, and there’s no mix and match.

The MI stuff kept me invested in the game so many more hours with making new characters. Shout out to bloody pox!

Verviticus
Mar 13, 2006

I'm just a total piece of shit and I'm not sure why I keep posting on this site. Christ, I have spent years with idiots giving me bad advice about online dating and haven't noticed that the thread I'm in selects for people that can't talk to people worth a damn.
uniques are largely turds because itemizing right now is too focused on 2-3 stats that most of them dont have and i think thats a shame, but i also anticipate that s1 is gonna come with some serious re-adjustment to the buckets

edit: also release diablo 2 poo poo where things like unique boots dont have loving move speed

RyokoTK
Feb 12, 2012

I am cool.

Verviticus posted:

uniques are largely turds because itemizing right now is too focused on 2-3 stats that most of them dont have and i think thats a shame, but i also anticipate that s1 is gonna come with some serious re-adjustment to the buckets

Uniques should have like 6 regular affix slots instead of 4 so they can put in the flavor poo poo that makes them unique without losing out on the baseline rolls that make the item wearable at all.

I like the Druid armor that makes me a perma werebear but I’m losing out on two regular defensive affixes and a legendary one for it, and that’s gonna be a big deal soon!!!!

The thorns armor that requires you to get hit to use the lovely affix has no defensive affixes on it at all lmfao like gimme a break here.

Pain of Mind
Jul 10, 2004
You are receiving this broadcast as a dream...We are transmitting from the year one nine... nine nine ...You are receiving this broadcast in order t
I have a Sacred Ring of Control that is ilevel 702, does that mean if I upgrade it past 725 it will have ancestral gear level stats? Also, does the legendary modifier get rerolled as well?

bus hustler
Mar 14, 2019

Verviticus posted:

armor and weapon damage are both really good

the 136 armor difference on those items is meaningless and it was the 5th one he got for it to even be a small upgrade. even at level 57 thats only a 4% armor upgrade for me, and i'm a fairly squishy necro. at higher levels (70+) and more sturdy classes it's got to be even less. your big upgrade from level 52 to level 80 shouldn't be 4% armor upgrade on the otherwise exact same item.

considering this and your other point that theres basically 3-4 good affixes period in the game... honestly the itemization is pretty poo poo, and i like a lot about this game!

socialsecurity
Aug 30, 2003

Verviticus posted:

uniques are largely turds because itemizing right now is too focused on 2-3 stats that most of them dont have and i think thats a shame, but i also anticipate that s1 is gonna come with some serious re-adjustment to the buckets

edit: also release diablo 2 poo poo where things like unique boots dont have loving move speed

90% of my Sorc uniques are "give slightly changing aspect to ability, reduces its damage by 25-30%" on skills that already don't even scratch the enemies, they really didn't playtest or give a poo poo about itemization in general.

E2M2
Mar 2, 2007

Ain't No Thang.
Just finished campaign and at 52 right now. What do I do? Just do the whispering tree stuff? Do all the side quests and altars?

Hell Yeah
Dec 25, 2012

i feel like different item attributes are fading in and out based on what level i am. i realized today i hadn't found a ring with resource generation on it in a while. i started getting some around lvl 70, i'm 74 now and havent found a new on since i was lvl 71. i sift through a lot of items right now, I've been on vacation for a week just being a total dork with this game. i dunno just one of those weird thigns you notice. resource generation on rings has been something i've been watching for since like lvl 60.

Damn Dirty Ape
Jan 23, 2015

I love you Dr. Zaius



E2M2 posted:

Just finished campaign and at 52 right now. What do I do? Just do the whispering tree stuff? Do all the side quests and altars?

You want to get to WT3 asap by doing the capstone. After that just do helltides or whispering tree to gear up initially and then start doing NM dungeons to level glyphs (and you can do renown whenever you feel like it).

edit: level glyphs not sigils.

KajiTheMelonMan
Sep 2, 2004

I killed a Tuskarr

E2M2 posted:

Just finished campaign and at 52 right now. What do I do? Just do the whispering tree stuff? Do all the side quests and altars?

Make sure you unlock WT3, then events/tree/world boss/etc until you're high enough to be comfortable to try and unlock WT4

Tokubetsu
Dec 18, 2007

Love Is Not Enough

socialsecurity posted:

90% of my Sorc uniques are "give slightly changing aspect to ability, reduces its damage by 25-30%" on skills that already don't even scratch the enemies, they really didn't playtest or give a poo poo about itemization in general.

The orb lightning isn’t too bad if I’m assuming you’re playing arc lash melee build so you’ll be spawning a poo poo ton and be in their face but yeah…couple that with the fact that we have what, 2 things that can cause vulnerable? Which is where all the big numbers are coming from feels bad man

socialsecurity
Aug 30, 2003

Tokubetsu posted:

The orb lightning isn’t too bad if I’m assuming you’re playing arc lash melee build so you’ll be spawning a poo poo ton and be in their face but yeah…couple that with the fact that we have what, 2 things that can cause vulnerable? Which is where all the big numbers are coming from feels bad man

Well it's fine I have a ton of sources of frozen and damage boosts to things with frozen, let me just freeze this boss real fast, hmm oh dear.

Jezza of OZPOS
Mar 21, 2018

GET LOSE❌🗺️, YOUS CAN'T COMPARE😤 WITH ME 💪POWERS🇦🇺
levelling a barb alt feels like a slog rn. even with all the renown boosts and altars i feel like im struggling on wt1. i tried freeballing it and then tried following a specific build guide but notjing seems to help. am i just waiting for level 15 to unlock the proficiencies?

Jaytan
Dec 14, 2003

Childhood enlistment means fewer birthdays to remember

Pain of Mind posted:

I have a Sacred Ring of Control that is ilevel 702, does that mean if I upgrade it past 725 it will have ancestral gear level stats? Also, does the legendary modifier get rerolled as well?

When an item crosses power level breakpoints via upgrades (725 is the last one) it will get new affix rolls in the new range. This means the value can go down, but in most cases it will go up. The aspect is unaffected.

RyokoTK
Feb 12, 2012

I am cool.

Jaytan posted:

When an item crosses power level breakpoints via upgrades (725 is the last one) it will get new affix rolls in the new range. This means the value can go down, but in most cases it will go up. The aspect is unaffected.

This explains how I upgraded a near perfectly rolled weapon and it turned into garbage.

Tokubetsu
Dec 18, 2007

Love Is Not Enough

socialsecurity posted:

Well it's fine I have a ton of sources of frozen and damage boosts to things with frozen, let me just freeze this boss real fast, hmm oh dear.

At least it make stun bar go up a little :shrug:

kaxman
Jan 15, 2003

socialsecurity posted:

Well it's fine I have a ton of sources of frozen and damage boosts to things with frozen, let me just freeze this boss real fast, hmm oh dear.

When you posture break a boss they count as every type of cc. While I was leveling up I was using the teleport unique and teleport is the enchantment slot and a frost nova plus most of my teleports was enough to fill the stagger bar in a few seconds. Then the boss would just die in 4 casts. The frost burn gloves are also pretty nice with a reasonable amount of lucky hit, you're basically just losing the skills ranks but you get constant cc procs.

I remember it being kind of obnoxious when playing arc lash, just waiting for procs would usually have the boss near dead by the time I could fill the stagger bar so I'd just ULT and nova and do as much as I could in the vulnerable window.

Currently trying to switch to blizzard so I can smash my head into Uber Lilith but I seem to be having the bug where I can't imprint my offhand and it seems to have been a known bug for...uh, three weeks or more, lol.

Mr. Grumpybones
Apr 18, 2002
"We're falling out of the sky! We're going down! We're a silver gleaming death machine!"
I got boots that leave a chill trail and bosses are getting staggered at least once where as before them, never. I’m in 60s /WT3 though so maybe that changes in WT4

Enigma
Jun 10, 2003
Raetus Deus Est.

Titan Quest (predecessor and same studio as Grim Dawn) had MIs too. It was a neat concept, as well as dual classing, which is something I've never seen in other arpgs. Imagine being a flurry rogue with a gaggle of skeletons in this game, or a whirlwind sorcerer.

Haptical Sales Slut
Mar 15, 2010

Age 18 to 49
Hello fellow teens! I have a 41 Rogue and since 39 I've discovered I can no longer complete the main quest, killing Elias.

I've been playing with my build and invested in poison +flurry which seems like a great combo, but otherwise I still get f'ing wrecked now, even though I feel like I have a really good flow of combat and am very mobile. Even sidequests take multiple death's to complete, which wasn't happening before.

I'm guessing there's some mechanic I'm not engaging with that is just now mandatory to remain competitive? From searching I found there's gear Aspects that I haven't messed with, is there anything else I may be missing?

Cao Ni Ma
May 25, 2010



Jezza of OZPOS posted:

levelling a barb alt feels like a slog rn. even with all the renown boosts and altars i feel like im struggling on wt1. i tried freeballing it and then tried following a specific build guide but notjing seems to help. am i just waiting for level 15 to unlock the proficiencies?

Proficiencies aren't going to improve the feel of the class early on. If you are having issues with how they play then swap to thorns.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bm2ZDI1hvDM

Basically leveled through betas and early launch as thornes and it works really well

unattended spaghetti
May 10, 2013

Enigma posted:

Titan Quest (predecessor and same studio as Grim Dawn) had MIs too. It was a neat concept, as well as dual classing, which is something I've never seen in other arpgs. Imagine being a flurry rogue with a gaggle of skeletons in this game, or a whirlwind sorcerer.



Man it will never happen but I would love this. Definitely one of the coolest things about Grim Dawn as well.

Ravus Ursus
Mar 30, 2017

unattended spaghetti posted:

Man it will never happen but I would love this. Definitely one of the coolest things about Grim Dawn as well.

There's a mod that inserts diablo 3 classes into GD. I haven't played with it but I imagine dual classing like that would be wild.

Jelly
Feb 11, 2004

Ask me about my STD collection!

Verviticus posted:

uniques are largely turds because itemizing right now is too focused on 2-3 stats that most of them dont have and i think thats a shame, but i also anticipate that s1 is gonna come with some serious re-adjustment to the buckets

edit: also release diablo 2 poo poo where things like unique boots dont have loving move speed
What is "diablo 2 poo poo" in this context?

Move speed and move speed on evade are among the "perfect" stats for boots for me.

SpacePope
Nov 9, 2009

Jelly posted:

What is "diablo 2 poo poo" in this context?

Means that unique boots not having move speed is like in Diablo 2 at release (and bad).

Tokubetsu
Dec 18, 2007

Love Is Not Enough
Playing a barb or necro without movement speed bonuses is hell. Once you hit wt3 everything should have move speed on it.

Verviticus
Mar 13, 2006

I'm just a total piece of shit and I'm not sure why I keep posting on this site. Christ, I have spent years with idiots giving me bad advice about online dating and haven't noticed that the thread I'm in selects for people that can't talk to people worth a damn.

Jelly posted:

What is "diablo 2 poo poo" in this context?

Move speed and move speed on evade are among the "perfect" stats for boots for me.

release diablo 2 had a ton of uniques that just didnt offer the thing that slot was supposed to offer you to be a useful item, like boots and movespeed. uniques should offer the thing that you want out of that slot as a slot defining trait and then a smattering of useful and flavourful affixes

RyokoTK
Feb 12, 2012

I am cool.

unattended spaghetti posted:

Man it will never happen but I would love this. Definitely one of the coolest things about Grim Dawn as well.

It’s cool but the end result I think is that there are a lot more ways to badly build your character in GD, even though respecs are basically free. I wouldn’t call GD a mass appeal kinda game like D4.

e: also it took years and two expansions to make viable and attainable builds for every skill, there were so many noob traps in vanilla GD

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bus hustler
Mar 14, 2019

Ravus Ursus posted:

There's a mod that inserts diablo 3 classes into GD. I haven't played with it but I imagine dual classing like that would be wild.

theres also the entirety of diablo 2 remade in gd

https://forums.crateentertainment.com/t/mod-reign-of-terror/35347

DaveKap
Feb 5, 2006

Pickle: Inspected.



Philthy posted:

You guys weren't kidding about money being the most sought-after resource. Why is there no sell all button?

A few pages back people were helping me with the same situation with NM20+ with WW build. I swapped some aspects around, and gained a few levels and now I'm a bit better. Levels really do make the most difference if you're not running top tier gear or making dumb mistakes like I do. NM dungeons aren't scaling to your level, they have a set level. This game is weird.


Just LMAO that this image exists because "Tier # plus 54" is too hard to do in your head.

I guess because the sacred sigils mess it up by being plus 53 instead.

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SHISHKABOB
Nov 30, 2012

Fun Shoe

DaveKap posted:

Just LMAO that this image exists because "Tier # plus 54" is too hard to do in your head.

I guess because the sacred sigils mess it up by being plus 53 instead.

Why the hell would they pick 54 anyways.

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