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rufius
Feb 27, 2011

Clear alcohols are for rich women on diets.

MuadDib Atreides posted:

I will add that I’ve found the Apple Pencil to just be not that good in general? I’ve used it with Notability and it’s basically like having a paper notebook full of sloppy hand-written notes. There is no linking, scalability, or anything associated with handwritten stuff. You end up with a digital version of a moleskine full of BS that you will never meaningfully be able to go back to or really use. Missing out on the whole power of digital notes.

I found the Pencil to be trash on non-Pro iPads. The much higher sensitivity of the Pro iPads digitizer greatly improved the experience.

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Flowing Thot
Apr 1, 2023

:murder:
Finally a reason to get an iPad Pro.

Kirios
Jan 26, 2010




Man getting a keyboard for this thing has been a game changer. I only have the Logitech Folio Pro, but it’s completely replaced my laptop.

I’m not sure I’ll buy another one ever again. It also makes me want to get an iPad Pro. Is this…how it begins?

MarcusSA
Sep 23, 2007

Yes.

Well Played Mauer
Jun 1, 2003

We'll always have Cabo
Welcome to the world of laptop replacement, a thing you didn’t know you needed until you did

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

Kirios posted:

Man getting a keyboard for this thing has been a game changer. I only have the Logitech Folio Pro, but it’s completely replaced my laptop.

I’m not sure I’ll buy another one ever again. It also makes me want to get an iPad Pro. Is this…how it begins?

you’ll have a Magic Keyboard before you know it

Kirios
Jan 26, 2010




Whelp, anyone have an older iPad Pro they would want to sell me? Now I want 120 Hz.

Mister Facetious
Apr 21, 2007

I think I died and woke up in L.A.,
I don't know how I wound up in this place...

:canada:

Kirios posted:

Whelp, anyone have an older iPad Pro they would want to sell me? Now I want 120 Hz.

Have you checked the prices on the Apple refurbished store yet? They're basically good as new, and include a one year warranty.

Agile Vector
May 21, 2007

scrum bored



Ok Comboomer posted:

you’ll have a Magic Keyboard before you know it

Oh look, it's me! I bought a refurbished one (looks like an Apple renewed warranty replacement) and, aside from still being too much at half off, it's all I didn't know I always wanted. I'm a bit peeved my 2018 pro didn't make the cut for proper external monitors, because then it'd completely replace my casual desktop computing.

MarcusSA
Sep 23, 2007

Agile Vector posted:

Oh look, it's me! I bought a refurbished one (looks like an Apple renewed warranty replacement) and, aside from still being too much at half off, it's all I didn't know I always wanted. I'm a bit peeved my 2018 pro didn't make the cut for proper external monitors, because then it'd completely replace my casual desktop computing.

It is expensive but it is also really loving good.

EL BROMANCE
Jun 10, 2006

COWABUNGA DUDES!
🥷🐢😬



I haven’t had an iPad since the 3 back in 2012, but bought the 10.5 Pro that FCKGW was selling to see if it fits into my lifestyle these days.

Naturally the first thing I want to do is something Apple have still decided isn’t how they want it to be used, and that’s make it a communal device for my gf and anyone who happens to be around and wants to use something bigger than a phone. I’m guessing the easiest way for this is just to make a new Apple ID and add it into my family (the only thing I have is the 200gb iCloud storage) rather than signing in with my regular account and telling it not to do iMessages, not to do photos etc, but I can share things like notes and calendars easily enough it seems.

My girlfriend was originally going to buy that Pixel tablet that just got released as she’s an Android person, but it’s $500 or so and looks about as good as every other Android tablet I’ve seen on the market and I didn’t want her to waste her money on that. Maybe I can sway her back to iOS with this…

The Grumbles
Jun 5, 2006
As nice as it would be to have a 'house iPad' they're really not designed for that - it's fully designed as a big iPhone that is very closely tied to an individual person, and you're probably going to find loads of weird roadblocks that need a lot of awkward workarounds that make the thing less appealing to use. Even more so for family/guests/etc who won't know the weird workarounds if they just pick up the tablet. It's an honourable endeavour and godspeed and all that and I hope it isn't too miserable. Having it on your family account is probably the best route to take.

Your girlfriend was correct in that the pixel tablet is much more suited to 'thing that exists around the house' type communal use, with no-fuss separate profiles, and a cool looking dock that makes it look more part of your home furnishings or whatever.

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!
you can put the iPad in Child Mode, or whatever it’s called (the utility for parents who want to hand their device to their kid for a bit), when you aren’t using it. It’ll lock apps/access to accounts/payments/communications/etc of your choice

EL BROMANCE
Jun 10, 2006

COWABUNGA DUDES!
🥷🐢😬



I’m racking my brain trying to think of what wouldn’t work smoothly, I’m pretty deep in the ecosystem having iPhone/a few macs/AppleTV, but specifically want this to be outside of that grouping so things like texting and safari groups aren’t hosed with. Putting a device into toddler mode before handing it to an adult just feels condescending ha.

Use cases I’m thinking of at the moment are recipes app for the kitchen, music apps for background (Im guessing I can’t log in with my Apple Match account but I use PlexAmp just as much, and she has Spotify which I don’t use anyway), Plex for when we’re traveling which is a shared account too, and idle Safari browsing that can use keychain if we need to log into specific accounts. Nothing that really screams not having full functionality if it’s logged in with an iCloud account setup under the dogs name.

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

EL BROMANCE posted:

I’m racking my brain trying to think of what wouldn’t work smoothly, I’m pretty deep in the ecosystem having iPhone/a few macs/AppleTV, but specifically want this to be outside of that grouping so things like texting and safari groups aren’t hosed with. Putting a device into toddler mode before handing it to an adult just feels condescending ha.

Use cases I’m thinking of at the moment are recipes app for the kitchen, music apps for background (Im guessing I can’t log in with my Apple Match account but I use PlexAmp just as much, and she has Spotify which I don’t use anyway), Plex for when we’re traveling which is a shared account too, and idle Safari browsing that can use keychain if we need to log into specific accounts. Nothing that really screams not having full functionality if it’s logged in with an iCloud account setup under the dogs name.

I mean, counterpoint: is there something super duper sensitive on your personal computing side that would reasonably keep you from sharing an iPad that has your credentials on it with a partner? You don’t have to run your work email on your iPad’s email app, you can mute that poo poo or remove it/not enter it. Likewise you can literally sign out or turn off iMessages in the Settings. You can selectively enable/disable continuity and account-sharing features for the camera and photos apps too.

Aside from those, is there like a special porn folder on your iCloud that you don’t want your partner to see?

EL BROMANCE
Jun 10, 2006

COWABUNGA DUDES!
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Nope, nothing I don’t want to share - I have no issues passing my phone over for any reason etc - it’s more for a clean experience. I’ve been in the ecosystem for nearly 2 decades, which means all the crap that’s accumulated in that time that I’m too lazy to delete.

Like I said in original post, I could just sign in with my account and then turn a bunch of stuff off, but it just feels easier to just have a clean account in the first place. It’s kinda like the difference between moving into someone’s house, or moving into a new place together.

Jose Oquendo
Jun 20, 2004

Star Trek: The Motion Picture is a boring movie
iPads do have a shared mode but it only available in edu/enterprise environments.

xzzy
Mar 5, 2009

I personally would be fine handing my wife my ipad and let her see any notifications that come in, but that doesn't change the fact that it's kind of annoying and Apple should definitely put multiple accounts or a guest mode into the ipad.

MarcusSA
Sep 23, 2007

I wouldn’t want my search / YouTube history to get all hosed up personally.

trilobite terror
Oct 20, 2007
BUT MY LIVELIHOOD DEPENDS ON THE FORUMS!

MarcusSA posted:

I wouldn’t want my search / YouTube history to get all hosed up personally.

log out of your YouTube account then. If you tie it to TouchID/FaceID it should be relatively easy to log in and out of in the app/browser

The General
Mar 4, 2007


Youtube history is the only one I wouldn't like. As it is my iPad is almost communal ready as it is. I'd just have to sign out of the email and the discord I rarely use on my iPad.

rafikki
Mar 8, 2008

I see what you did there. (It's pretty easy, since ducks have a field of vision spanning 340 degrees.)

~SMcD


Yeah, my wife used to use my iPad to stream Netflix the entire work day and the only annoying thing about notifications was when I tried to order something to surprise her and forget she’d see the email confirmation pop up. Finally just turned off gmail notifications

Twerk from Home
Jan 17, 2009

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Jose Oquendo posted:

iPads do have a shared mode but it only available in edu/enterprise environments.

It's so drat frustrating. It really sucks that they won't just give us user profiles.

EL BROMANCE
Jun 10, 2006

COWABUNGA DUDES!
🥷🐢😬



Especially when MJM setups proved to be frustrating to the point where I just gave up.

(I work for a small company, we have a bunch of existing phones I thought would be nice and easy to enroll in jamf and put some restrictions in place, but everytime I finished jumping through one hoop there was another and I didn’t care enough about disabling/customizing that much to keep wasting my time).

Jose Oquendo
Jun 20, 2004

Star Trek: The Motion Picture is a boring movie

EL BROMANCE posted:

Especially when MJM setups proved to be frustrating to the point where I just gave up.

(I work for a small company, we have a bunch of existing phones I thought would be nice and easy to enroll in jamf and put some restrictions in place, but everytime I finished jumping through one hoop there was another and I didn’t care enough about disabling/customizing that much to keep wasting my time).

I don't know about your setup but MDM for iOS devices is piss easy.


Shared mode for iPads also require managed Apple IDs which are another hoop to jump through for that though.

EL BROMANCE
Jun 10, 2006

COWABUNGA DUDES!
🥷🐢😬



It was a about a year or two back but I had to deal with both Verizon to get my regular web admin access turned into an actual company admin who could do this stuff despite having the ability to add and drop lines as needed, then I had to make a business account with Apple which needed me to prove we were a real business in a bunch of different ways, all of which took several weeks in total, then when I went to add the existing handsets on our accounts I was told that they weren’t eligible for reasons and would have to do a bunch more things or buy brand new handsets which would be added before they shipped, and I’d had enough by then.

I’m sure in proper corporate environments where these things are all in place it’s fine, but doing it from a position where we were just a normal small company with a bunch of existing phones it was unnecessarily long and drawn out.

Flowing Thot
Apr 1, 2023

:murder:
I use child mode on my iPhone and iPad to act as a secondary password basically so no one can see me enter my PIN code then steal them after all the stories about that happening a few months back. Can’t access any the change password or find my phone stuff with it turned on.

rafikki
Mar 8, 2008

I see what you did there. (It's pretty easy, since ducks have a field of vision spanning 340 degrees.)

~SMcD


Not sure if it’s just showing its age but I’m increasingly frustrated with my iPad Air 3. I can barely swap away from a tab in safari for a few minutes before it clears the tab’s cache and has to reload the page when I go back it. Same behavior swapping between apps. It doesn’t seem like the 3 should be that aged already but it makes me not want to bother using it a lot.

Mister Facetious
Apr 21, 2007

I think I died and woke up in L.A.,
I don't know how I wound up in this place...

:canada:

rafikki posted:

Not sure if it’s just showing its age but I’m increasingly frustrated with my iPad Air 3. I can barely swap away from a tab in safari for a few minutes before it clears the tab’s cache and has to reload the page when I go back it. Same behavior swapping between apps. It doesn’t seem like the 3 should be that aged already but it makes me not want to bother using it a lot.

Tabbed browsing is why i upgraded from the 3gb of the iPad 9 to the 8 of the M1.
Also because it has FaceID.

My iPhone only had one extra gig of ram with the same chip, but it made a difference with Safari.

rafikki
Mar 8, 2008

I see what you did there. (It's pretty easy, since ducks have a field of vision spanning 340 degrees.)

~SMcD


Mister Facetious posted:

Tabbed browsing is why i upgraded from the 3gb of the iPad 9 to the 8 of the M1.
Also because it has FaceID.

My iPhone only had one extra gig of ram with the same chip, but it made a difference with Safari.

Yeah, I’m pretty tempted to just splurge on one. I’m sure there will be another refresh this year but I’m hardly a power user so just picking up an 11” pro is pretty tempting right now

Flowing Thot
Apr 1, 2023

:murder:
Rumor is new pros around the end of the year start of next year and moving to OLED screens. Of course if you wait for the next big thing you will be waiting forever and just need to act at some point.

Agile Vector
May 21, 2007

scrum bored



MarcusSA posted:

It is expensive but it is also really loving good.

I feel that it's justified getting one full price the next time I upgrade, if this model isn't compatible.

GoatSeeGuy
Dec 26, 2003

What if Jerome Walton made me a champion?


Flowing Thot posted:

Rumor is new pros around the end of the year start of next year and moving to OLED screens. Of course if you wait for the next big thing you will be waiting forever and just need to act at some point.

With that also came whiffs of a price hike to cover the OLED spec bump, just hopefully not to the 1500-1800 range of some admittedly sketchy rumors.

I’ve had the 1st, 3rd, and now 5th gen 12.9 Pros, but even as much as I use it 1100 about taps me out.

Well Played Mauer
Jun 1, 2003

We'll always have Cabo
I hope they’re not that expensive but the goddamn phones are going for $11-1200+ now.

Kirios
Jan 26, 2010




It's not surprising. Considering the rest of their portfolio the iPads always felt underpriced (well, underpriced in the Apple world at least).

Duckman2008
Jan 6, 2010

TFW you see Flyers goaltending.
Grimey Drawer
Bear in mind just because phones are smaller doesn’t mean they should be necessarily less expensive.

That said, yeah $1000+ and ir potentially going up for wither iPhone or iPad sucks. They’ve already raised prices, Apple kind of anticipated the inflation bump of the last year or two.

tuyop
Sep 15, 2006

Every second that we're not growing BASIL is a second wasted

Fun Shoe
Inflation is driven by wage growth. All these companies are just doing a price gouging/profiteering.

Mister Facetious
Apr 21, 2007

I think I died and woke up in L.A.,
I don't know how I wound up in this place...

:canada:
Amazon.com selling iPad 9th gens for $250 with the on page coupon.

https://apple.news/AgPgWHKRnTmO9v1lTrpHprQ

Disappointing Pie
Feb 7, 2006
Words cannot describe what a disaster the pie was.
My 3rd Gen iPad Pro still runs everything I throw at it perfectly fine but the battery life is getting abysmal, I need to be near a cable if I plan on using it for more than 4-5 hours which isn't bad but considering I think I used to get 12+ hours out of it, it's not great. I noticed a while back Apple offers battery services for iPad Pro's pretty cheap, like $99-$129. So I made an appointment and took it in.

They said give them like 20 minutes to run some diagnostics and they'll see what they can do for me. So I wander around for a while and finally my Apple guy waves me down and hands me back the iPad stating sorry, according to their diagnostics my battery is still healthy enough to not warrant a battery service operation. I was just like uhh, OK. I asked him, you offer a service through your site, I am 100% willing to pay this price for the service, but you guys just won't do the service if you don't determine the device is poor enough yet? He's like well, does it still hold a charge? I said yeah for maybe a 1/3 of the time it used to. I just kept voicing the frustration that the site doesn't mention really anything that the service was contingent on Apple deciding the battery was degraded enough for service.

He just kept apologizing saying there was no way for me to override it, but if I wanted to come back in a few hours a higher up might be able to make a different decision. I was just like well screw it. I dunno, that seemed really anti Apple Customer Service that I've come to expect from them.

So I did some research when I get home and I guess they don't even swap the battery they just straight up give you a refurbished iPad Pro, which I mean that does make a little more sense on why they'd be strict on that service, it just seems weird they offer it but won't do it.

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SlowBloke
Aug 14, 2017

Disappointing Pie posted:

My 3rd Gen iPad Pro still runs everything I throw at it perfectly fine but the battery life is getting abysmal, I need to be near a cable if I plan on using it for more than 4-5 hours which isn't bad but considering I think I used to get 12+ hours out of it, it's not great. I noticed a while back Apple offers battery services for iPad Pro's pretty cheap, like $99-$129. So I made an appointment and took it in.

They said give them like 20 minutes to run some diagnostics and they'll see what they can do for me. So I wander around for a while and finally my Apple guy waves me down and hands me back the iPad stating sorry, according to their diagnostics my battery is still healthy enough to not warrant a battery service operation. I was just like uhh, OK. I asked him, you offer a service through your site, I am 100% willing to pay this price for the service, but you guys just won't do the service if you don't determine the device is poor enough yet? He's like well, does it still hold a charge? I said yeah for maybe a 1/3 of the time it used to. I just kept voicing the frustration that the site doesn't mention really anything that the service was contingent on Apple deciding the battery was degraded enough for service.

He just kept apologizing saying there was no way for me to override it, but if I wanted to come back in a few hours a higher up might be able to make a different decision. I was just like well screw it. I dunno, that seemed really anti Apple Customer Service that I've come to expect from them.

So I did some research when I get home and I guess they don't even swap the battery they just straight up give you a refurbished iPad Pro, which I mean that does make a little more sense on why they'd be strict on that service, it just seems weird they offer it but won't do it.

Apple used to offer a no-ask device replacement for 2/3 of the unit value but, once they moved to discrete part swap/repair, battery needs to be at less than 80% for "e-waste reduction".

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