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15 | 3.71% |
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115 | 28.47% |
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12 | 2.97% |
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67 | 16.58% |
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94 | 23.27% |
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14 | 3.47% |
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87 | 21.53% |
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weird, all the smartest posters have assured me that the ukrainian nation is completely united behind the war effort and any talk to the contrary is evil russian tankie disinformation
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Jul 3, 2023 19:30
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It's just nuts to me, because it seems like supporting Ukraine should lead you to a pretty well-justified "stabbed in the back" narrative regarding NATO.Clark Nova posted:bwahahahahaha the orc harlequin romance that is secretly a stoner buddy comedy The description for that book is actually interesting to me, since it seems like it's from the perspective of the orc guy, rather than the queen.
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Jul 3, 2023 19:37
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Zeppelin Insanity posted:Sure, they have been dogshit at it, what with talking out loud about how they will totally do X then talking out loud about how X was so beneficial to them. However how many average people do you know that think Ukraine blew up the dam? It's not like they can just press a button and blow it up. It's a nuclear power plant, it's pretty big and blowing it up would take pretty noticeable bombing or artillery barrages and it would be extremely easy to prove who did it. It's not a good candidate for a false flag attack A lot of the structures are hardened as well
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Jul 3, 2023 19:50
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Hatebag posted:It's not like they can just press a button and blow it up. It's a nuclear power plant, it's pretty big and blowing it up would take pretty noticeable bombing or artillery barrages and it would be extremely east to prove who did it. It's not a good candidate for a false flag attack I think Zeppelin Insanity did a pretty good job explaining why that's not the case. Remember the story for months was that Russia was shelling that same plant while their own troops occupied it.
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Jul 3, 2023 19:52
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The thing Ukraine needs is now cars: https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1675579421753847808 so that's a great sign. 
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Jul 3, 2023 19:54
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Ytlaya posted:It's just nuts to me, because it seems like supporting Ukraine should lead you to a pretty well-justified "stabbed in the back" narrative regarding NATO. Not if there are a lot of die hard nazis that wont let you pivot there.
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Jul 3, 2023 19:54
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why are they taking cars from drunk drivers
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Jul 3, 2023 19:54
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For Freedom 
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Jul 3, 2023 19:55
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Frosted Flake posted:I think Zeppelin Insanity did a pretty good job explaining why that's not the case. Remember the story for months was that Russia was shelling that same plant while their own troops occupied it. I don't know if that kinda obvious bullshit is going to bamboozle the rest of nato into doing something other than subsidizing their weapons companies by giving ukraine tanks to wreck, though. I don't think public opinion really matters for those kinda decisions
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Jul 3, 2023 19:59
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Cpt_Obvious posted:The thing Ukraine needs is now cars: Edit: https://www.la.lv/latvijas-dzerajsoferiem-konfiscetos-auto-vares-nodot-ukrainas-armijai 18:32, 16 February 2023 Latvian drunk drivers will be able to hand over their confiscated cars to the Ukrainian army Lostconfused has issued a correction as of 20:07 on Jul 3, 2023 |
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Jul 3, 2023 20:01
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Neither side is going to intentionally blow up the ZPP. Ukraine isn't going to permanently irradiate an area that's economically vital to their future, and Russia isn't going to do it either because they stand to make a shitton of money by integrating it into their federation. The only scenario in which either side would blow up the plant is if they were certain they were losing and were going to permanently lose that territory. Every bit of evidence I've seen suggests to me that both sides believe 100% that they are winning this war. That belief may or may not reflect reality, but it's pretty clearly what both Ukraine and Russia believe. In the meantime, NATO isn't going to intervene directly even if the plant blows up. NATO can't even get Turkey and Hungary to let Sweden into the alliance. They're not going to reach a consensus to start WWIII with Russia in earnest probably under any circumstance short of a direct invasion of NATO member-states. Ukraine keeps saying that there's going to be a Russian terrorist attack because they're hoping it will distract from the glacial pace of the counteroffensive and keep bringing in NATO support.
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Jul 3, 2023 20:10
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https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1675945029141970945?s=20
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Jul 3, 2023 20:12
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lol he said it
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Jul 3, 2023 20:13
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Hatebag posted:It's not like they can just press a button and blow it up. It's a nuclear power plant, it's pretty big and blowing it up would take pretty noticeable bombing or artillery barrages and it would be extremely easy to prove who did it. It's not a good candidate for a false flag attack Remember when it was the Russians shelling the powerplant that they were currently occupying
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Jul 3, 2023 20:15
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KomradeX posted:Remember when it was the Russians shelling the powerplant that they were currently occupying Everyone's eyes are on the ZPP right now. There are IAEA inspectors present. Unless it's such a thorough attack that it kills literally everybody at the plant and in the area I don't think a false flag shelling that blows up the plant is going to be as easy as you're making it seem.
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Jul 3, 2023 20:21
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Majorian posted:Neither side is going to intentionally blow up the ZPP. Ukraine isn't going to permanently irradiate an area that's economically vital to their future, and Russia isn't going to do it either because they stand to make a shitton of money by integrating it into their federation. The only scenario in which either side would blow up the plant is if they were certain they were losing and were going to permanently lose that territory. Every bit of evidence I've seen suggests to me that both sides believe 100% that they are winning this war. That belief may or may not reflect reality, but it's pretty clearly what both Ukraine and Russia believe. Just because the Ukrianians keep publicly saying their victory is inevitable doesn't mean there aren't people who know they're losing, and that their only hope is NATO winning the war for them. And sure maybe NATO is lying and has no intention of helping Ukraine even if it does go up in a cloud of smoke. We're dealing with people that also beleived Boris loving Johnson when he told them they could beat the Russians with Western Wunderwaffe and the How to Defeat the Russian BTG. The Ukrianians are more likely to do something very stupid to the plant, than the French riots are going to accomplish anything
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Jul 3, 2023 20:23
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KomradeX posted:Remember when it was the Russians shelling the powerplant that they were currently occupying That was a couple shells falling on the nearby coal plant's waste and starting a fire, wasn't it? Destroying the nuke plant would take sustained barrages or bombardment. It just doesn't seem likely and also it wouldn't accomplish anything.
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Jul 3, 2023 20:24
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Majorian posted:Everyone's eyes are on the ZPP right now. There are IAEA inspectors present. Unless it's such a thorough attack that it kills literally everybody at the plant and in the area I don't think a false flag shelling that blows up the plant is going to be as easy as you're making it seem. And the Western media will.just say the Russians did it and people will continue to think the Russians did it and whoever at the IAEA says it was caused by Ukriane will be presnted as if Hans Blix was a. Putin Puppet
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Jul 3, 2023 20:24
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Remember when the Russian decided to shell the area while IAEA was visiting the power plant? https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/01/europe/ukraine-zaporizhzhia-iaea-inspectors-intl/index.html
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Jul 3, 2023 20:25
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A lot of the logic that prevents Nazis from blowing up the ZPP is also the logic that would stop Nazis from destroying an entire generation of working age men or blowing up the Kakhovka Dam.
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Jul 3, 2023 20:26
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Lostconfused posted:Remember when the Russian decided to shell the area while IAEA was visiting the power plant? lol 
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Jul 3, 2023 20:28
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Maybe they were trying to use the mortars behind the building but they forget they have an arc.
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Jul 3, 2023 20:31
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KomradeX posted:Just because the Ukrianians keep publicly saying their victory is inevitable doesn't mean there aren't people who know they're losing, and that their only hope is NATO winning the war for them. That may be true, but they don't seem to have reached the point where they're sure they're going to lose this territory permanently. If they were at that point, they wouldn't be persisting with this counteroffensive. Deadly Ham Sandwich posted:A lot of the logic that prevents Nazis from blowing up the ZPP is also the logic that would stop Nazis from destroying an entire generation of working age men or blowing up the Kakhovka Dam. The Kakhovka Dam blowing up hasn't precluded any chance of either side benefitting economically from the region. Blowing up the ZPP a la Chernobyl likely would.
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Jul 3, 2023 20:34
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KomradeX posted:lol the second half of that sentence is also them claiming the russians were shelling the approaching iaea team. you know the team they let enter the plant they control and worked with and then let leave peacefully.
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Jul 3, 2023 20:36
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Yeah, I don’t know if the Ukrainian government not being nuts is the strongest rationale.
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Jul 3, 2023 20:38
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Ardennes posted:Yeah, I don’t know if the Ukrainian government not being nuts is the strongest rationale. I don't think they would have done as well as they have so far if they were as out-of-touch with reality as you or others are assuming. That's not to say they've done EXTREMELY well, just that their performance in this war doesn't suggest that they're quite that degree of stupid.
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Jul 3, 2023 20:41
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Majorian posted:That may be true, but they don't seem to have reached the point where they're sure they're going to lose this territory permanently. If they were at that point, they wouldn't be persisting with this counteroffensive. it supplied crimea with water - it was extremely damaging to the region, both economically and, more importantly, to the people living there
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Jul 3, 2023 20:43
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Vomik posted:it supplied crimea with water - it was extremely damaging to the region, both economically and, more importantly, to the people living there I never suggested otherwise. Irradiating the whole region would be an entirely different degree of economic damage, however.
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Jul 3, 2023 20:45
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Majorian posted:I don't think they would have done as well as they have so far if they were as out-of-touch with reality as you or others are assuming. That's not to say they've done EXTREMELY well, just that their performance in this war doesn't suggest that they're quite that degree of stupid. They have been mostly running through bodies man.
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Jul 3, 2023 20:46
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Majorian posted:That may be true, but they don't seem to have reached the point where they're sure they're going to lose this territory permanently. If they were at that point, they wouldn't be persisting with this counteroffensive. Counterpoint: Ukrainian government management is sending wave after wave of people to their deaths knowingly in order to
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Jul 3, 2023 20:50
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Ardennes posted:They have been mostly running through bodies man. And yet morale has not collapsed, there haven't been any significant Russian breakthroughs in a year, there's not much evidence of mass Ukrainian desertions, etc. If we start seeing that happen in the near future and it looks like the Russians are going to swamp the Ukrainians in the area, who knows, maybe they will blow up the plant. But right now things are at a stalemate, with both sides believing that they're not losing. So they're not going to intentionally blow up the plant. Horseshoe theory posted:Counterpoint: Ukrainian government management is sending wave after wave of people to their deaths knowingly in order to All this proves is that they're bad, unethical people who don't care about expending lives if it helps guarantee their political survival, which, hey, huge surprise to everyone in this thread I'm sure.
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Jul 3, 2023 20:52
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euphronius posted:why are they taking cars from drunk drivers so they don't spill their drink
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Jul 3, 2023 20:59
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Majorian posted:All this proves is that they're bad, unethical people who don't care about expending lives if it helps guarantee their political survival, which, hey, huge surprise to everyone in this thread I'm sure. It actually proves that poor schmucks are getting gibbed purely to enrich management and that sending folks to get gibbed is not indicative of management's view of anything other than maximizing their Cayman bank accounts. They'll persist on a meaningless counteroffensive to keep getting funds to skim/launder. HTH.
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Jul 3, 2023 21:05
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Horseshoe theory posted:It actually proves that poor schmucks are getting gibbed purely to enrich management and that sending folks to get gibbed is not indicative of management's view of anything other than maximizing their Cayman bank accounts. They'll persist on a meaningless counteroffensive to keep getting funds to skim/launder. HTH. So...literally what I said, in other words. Okay, thanks for that insight.
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Jul 3, 2023 21:08
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Majorian posted:And yet morale has not collapsed, there haven't been any significant Russian breakthroughs in a year, there's not much evidence of mass Ukrainian desertions, etc. If we start seeing that happen in the near future and it looks like the Russians are going to swamp the Ukrainians in the area, who knows, maybe they will blow up the plant. But right now things are at a stalemate, with both sides believing that they're not losing. So they're not going to intentionally blow up the plant. I don’t think morale not collapsing yet is indicative of much beyond the war isn’t over yet.
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Jul 3, 2023 21:08
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Ardennes posted:I don’t think morale not collapsing yet is indicative of much beyond the war isn’t over yet. Which is precisely my point. As long as this stalemate persists, why would either side make a desperate move that made one of the most economically viable regions in the country suddenly economically barren?
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Jul 3, 2023 21:11
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Ardennes posted:I don’t think morale not collapsing yet is indicative of much beyond the war isn’t over yet. Hell it took the French 3 years for morale to collapse during the Great War. Though the fact of mass deseration and refugees fleeing kind of indicates it has collapsed for the civilians who don't want to die either for what was the most corrupt country in Europe or for a government thats become obviously too political while the soliders at the front seem to be big fans of people who were political in Germany in the 30s and 40s
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Jul 3, 2023 21:13
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Majorian posted:So...literally what I said, in other words. Okay, thanks for that insight. Nah, you wrote: Majorian posted:That may be true, but they don't seem to have reached the point where they're sure they're going to lose this territory permanently. If they were at that point, they wouldn't be persisting with this counteroffensive. Management doesn't give a poo poo about whether or not they will lose territory permanently based on their embezzlement/laundering, so the counteroffensive being run is not dependent on any actual level of anticipating to get back what they've lost, but rather a means to get Uncle Sam, Grandpa EU, etc. to keep funneling funds to them to launder by showing they're 'doing something'. You can admit you're wrong, champ.
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Jul 3, 2023 21:15
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Horseshoe theory posted:Nah, you wrote: Permanently writing off important economic ground to fill their pockets sounds like an awfully good way to get couped by whichever ambitious generals aren't in on the grift, something that Z would probably like to avoid. quote:You can admit you're wrong, champ. Your monitor is off. 
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Jul 3, 2023 21:18
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Majorian posted:Everyone's eyes are on the ZPP right now. There are IAEA inspectors present. Unless it's such a thorough attack that it kills literally everybody at the plant and in the area I don't think a false flag shelling that blows up the plant is going to be as easy as you're making it seem. The IAEA has not once called out ukraine by name when shellings happen. I genuinely think that if they cause a meltdown on the plant the IAEA will not take a side on who caused it, just letting the western narrative take place until ukraine has to be thrown under the bus.
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