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Vulture Culture
Jul 14, 2003

I was never enjoying it. I only eat it for the nutrients.

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

The "professional" Libertarian commentariat going full on anti-trans and race-obsessed is genuinely not a great sign.

It means that the conservative readership is so driven and motivated by that stuff that they are seeking out any content they can find and the libertarians are tuning all of their programming to it seize on it or that the libertarian movement really is so obsessed with those subjects that it has overtaken their concern about taxes, weed/individual freedoms, or small government.

This really does seem like somewhere that the weirdos advocating for legalizing child pornography at the libertarian debates in 2012/Republican potheads/goldbugs that traditionally made up the professional libertarian movement wouldn't have really been into.
They either decisively won or decisively lost every position that mattered, so they're absolutely seizing on whatever topic seems to hold people's attention now

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Rappaport
Oct 2, 2013

"Going" race-obsessed seems a bit of a stretch, when the stripping dude with an Iron Cross tattoo was a thing in the long before-times of 2016. You can quibble about whether or not it's an emblem of white supremacism per se, but... Well, Adolf had one and was proud of it, and this dude probably knew that getting the tattoo.

And then of course we have luminaries such as HHH who have... Well, let's just say "friendly" views around eugenics, bigotry against homosexuality and the like.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
A lot of these people only weren't openly racist because it was the 'racism is a solved problem' period from the 80s to the 00s where everyone was assured it was in the past and nothing to worry about so it's okay to make those jokes now. When BLM came along because none of the material problems had actually been solved, like the rest of the conservatives they lost their poo poo because they don't recognise material problems to exist.

VictualSquid
Feb 29, 2012

Gently enveloping the target with indiscriminate love.

Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:

The "professional" Libertarian commentariat going full on anti-trans and race-obsessed is genuinely not a great sign.

It means that the conservative readership is so driven and motivated by that stuff that they are seeking out any content they can find and the libertarians are tuning all of their programming to it seize on it or that the libertarian movement really is so obsessed with those subjects that it has overtaken their concern about taxes, weed/individual freedoms, or small government.

This really does seem like somewhere that the weirdos advocating for legalizing child pornography at the libertarian debates in 2012/Republican potheads/goldbugs that traditionally made up the professional libertarian movement wouldn't have really been into.

The main thing about Libertarianism is that it is very self contradictory and thus people who believe in it quickly move on to other ideologies. Everybody who stays a libertarian for more then a few years is lying and/or very dumb.

People who move to the left have no interest in lying about their new ideology.
People who become conservative and especially fascist do tend to lie about it and pretend that they are still libertarians.

This is why every established/professional libertarian sounds like a fascist. Because they are.

Dirk the Average
Feb 7, 2012

"This may have been a mistake."
There's also a lot of people, like my conservative family members, who identify themselves as "libertarian" without actually understanding anything about what that word means.

Professor Shark
May 22, 2012

“People aren’t allowed to tell me what to do.”

DarklyDreaming
Apr 4, 2009

Fun scary

Professor Shark posted:

“People aren’t allowed to tell me what to do.”

And that especially means not having to work with/live near people who live differently than me, giving me moral right to force others to leave. No I don't see how that's a contradiction

Panfilo
Aug 27, 2011

EXISTENCE IS PAIN😬
https://twitter.com/TRHLofficial/status/1675119219023724544?t=Ctvf1MwHKU84-aZ4dBQvOw&s=19

https://twitter.com/TRHLofficial/status/1675208599696560129?t=I0iMTDHoi3g0sHZ-04e61Q&s=19
Typical libertarian take I assume.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
It's exactly the same as all other right wingers saying anything they think will trigger the libs.

Professor Shark
May 22, 2012

Right wing grifters aren’t trying to trigger anyone, they’re just trying to make idiots think they are so they will give them money. I wish Conservative “celebrities” would actually try working for a living like they pretend.

Vulture Culture
Jul 14, 2003

I was never enjoying it. I only eat it for the nutrients.
There's no more noble profession in libertarianism than the influencer: someone who sells ideas while never actually doing anything useful. Same reason there's more libertarian think tanks than actual libertarian policy proposals

Panfilo
Aug 27, 2011

EXISTENCE IS PAIN😬
:allears: Two great tastes that go together Abortion and slavery!
https://twitter.com/TRHLofficial/status/1675522677585346561?t=cIV76nWTmU8SGbpxdTNa4Q&s=19

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Wait, is she not pro-slavery? What kind of libertarian is she?

DarklyDreaming
Apr 4, 2009

Fun scary

I AM GRANDO posted:

Wait, is she not pro-slavery? What kind of libertarian is she?

Slavery is when I have to acknowledge other human beings. Freedom is when other human beings have to submit to my whims

Grace Baiting
Jul 20, 2012

Audi famam illius;
Cucurrit quaeque
Tetigit destruens.



It's not slavery if you call it something else — one weird trick STATISTS don't want YOU to know‼️‼️‼️

Captain_Maclaine
Sep 30, 2001

Every moment that I'm alive, I pray for death!

I AM GRANDO posted:

Wait, is she not pro-slavery? What kind of libertarian is she?

Slavery? You mean like INCOME TAX?!!?!

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

I wonder what jrod would think of her. Libertarians are explicitly in favor of people being able to sell themselves into slavery, aren’t they?

Panfilo
Aug 27, 2011

EXISTENCE IS PAIN😬
Libertarian concepts of slavery seem to include:

-Taxation in general
-Having to use preferred pronouns at work
-Socialized medicine
-Aaand abortion I guess?

Rappaport
Oct 2, 2013

I thought selling their children was also part of the canon, but that implies they own their kids, and... I suppose not? It's just not a coherent ideology.

Captain_Maclaine
Sep 30, 2001

Every moment that I'm alive, I pray for death!

Rappaport posted:

I thought selling their children was also part of the canon, but that implies they own their kids, and... I suppose not? It's just not a coherent ideology.

You're allowed to do that, so long as your children have the hypothetical right to run away from you, if I recall correctly.

I AM GRANDO posted:

I wonder what jrod would think of her. Libertarians are explicitly in favor of people being able to sell themselves into slavery, aren’t they?

Jrod's version are, or to be tricked into it if his statements on the UAE and other similar states are any indication.

Panfilo posted:

Libertarian concepts of slavery seem to include:

-Taxation in general
-Having to use preferred pronouns at work
-Socialized medicine
-Aaand abortion I guess?

-Seatbelt laws
-Pasteurization
-Produce clerks who ask too many questions

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal
-Helmet laws
-Masks
-Vaccines
-Safety packaging for medicine
-Guardrails on cliff-side roads

But they're pro-life! :pseudo:

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

VitalSigns posted:

There are no Libertarians in uncertified unregulated submersibles trapped at the bottom of the ocean

https://twitter.com/evefairbanks/status/1671503279333810177

quote:

The petty bourgeois is hostile to the idea of development, for development goes immutably against him; progress has brought him nothing except irredeemable debts. National Socialism rejects not only Marxism but Darwinism. The Nazis curse materialism because the victories of technology over nature have signified the triumph of large capital over small. The leaders of the movement are liquidating “intellectualism” because they themselves possess second- and third-rate intellects, and above all because their historic role does not permit them to pursue a single thought to its conclusion. The petty bourgeois needs a higher authority, which stands above matter and above history, and which is safeguarded from competition, inflation, crisis, and the auction block. To evolution, materialist thought, and rationalism – of the twentieth, nineteenth, and eighteenth centuries – is counterposed in his mind national idealism as the source of heroic inspiration. Hitler’s nation is the mythological shadow of the petty bourgeoisie itself, a pathetic delirium of a thousand-year Reich.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/trotsky/germany/1933/330610.htm

Mooseontheloose
May 13, 2003

Panfilo posted:

Libertarian concepts of slavery seem to include:

-Taxation in general
-Having to use preferred pronouns at work
-Socialized medicine
-Aaand abortion I guess?

Acknowledging harm done to black people too.

edit: Also, I started reading A Libertarian Walks into a Bear and it's a great primer on the types the current "party" draws.

Panfilo
Aug 27, 2011

EXISTENCE IS PAIN😬

Mooseontheloose posted:

Acknowledging harm done to black people too.



Easy enough for them to blame it on Democrats.

As for Jrod's opinion of the Redheaded Libertarian, he probably wouldn't think highly of her. I don't think she went to college, I doubt her SATs were very good not to mention IQ and cranial skull measurements. He might be more impressed by her daughters which she brags about being very intellectually "advanced" (from all that homeschooling and "natural immunity" no doubt).

It also turned out that much like the Ben Shapiros and Stephen Crowders before her, she is another failed entertainer/musician who had dreams of being a famous actor/singer and when that didn't pan out married some right wing dude from Texas and basically assimilated all his beliefs into her own. Funny thing is she never mentions him, like at all aside from a flex about being married and able to have children occasionally. For a person who doesn't even believe women should get the RIGHT TO VOTE she's surprisingly mute about what her husband says/thinks.

Panfilo
Aug 27, 2011

EXISTENCE IS PAIN😬
Why would they get offended?

https://twitter.com/alissandra4mht/status/1674870889173639185?t=uwjEwit5cOznKrIx5NscNA&s=19

Fighting Trousers
May 17, 2011

Does this excite you, girl?

Panfilo posted:

Easy enough for them to blame it on Democrats.

As for Jrod's opinion of the Redheaded Libertarian, he probably wouldn't think highly of her. I don't think she went to college, I doubt her SATs were very good not to mention IQ and cranial skull measurements. He might be more impressed by her daughters which she brags about being very intellectually "advanced" (from all that homeschooling and "natural immunity" no doubt).

It also turned out that much like the Ben Shapiros and Stephen Crowders before her, she is another failed entertainer/musician who had dreams of being a famous actor/singer and when that didn't pan out married some right wing dude from Texas and basically assimilated all his beliefs into her own. Funny thing is she never mentions him, like at all aside from a flex about being married and able to have children occasionally. For a person who doesn't even believe women should get the RIGHT TO VOTE she's surprisingly mute about what her husband says/thinks.

I'd wager that's because the majority of her audience is made up of people (men) who are very invested in the fact she is a hot lady who says things they approve of and don't want to be reminded that she is sexually unavailable to them.

uber_stoat
Jan 21, 2001



Pillbug

Fighting Trousers posted:

I'd wager that's because the majority of her audience is made up of people (men) who are very invested in the fact she is a hot lady who says things they approve of and don't want to be reminded that she is sexually unavailable to them.

it's this. she needs that sweet parasocial engagement.

uber_stoat
Jan 21, 2001



Pillbug
actually existing libertarianism.

https://twitter.com/LucreSnooker/status/1417979440278147074?s=20

OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

What is that if not the pure distilled founding spirit of the USA?

Panfilo
Aug 27, 2011

EXISTENCE IS PAIN😬
https://twitter.com/LPNational/status/1676705650561236993?t=_MHm-1zd-8NWyBpFGOnO5w&s=19

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro



Ah, the famous revolutionary slogan "NO TAXATION..."

Angry_Ed
Mar 30, 2010




Grimey Drawer

Don't make me tap the sign that has Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution on it again.

Panfilo
Aug 27, 2011

EXISTENCE IS PAIN😬
Noted Libertarian Hunter Biden :psyduck:
https://twitter.com/TRHLofficial/status/1676976274751848451?t=ICXaXxp5wcX62p7bR8rVow&s=19

disposablewords
Sep 12, 2021

What, is there a lack of pedo poo poo from Hunter Biden, and that's why he's not the perfect libertarian? Like invoking that is not the easy smug win they think it is, given who they voluntarily put themselves in association with.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Well yeah, becoming a pedophile would get anyone most of the way toward also being a libertarian.

Panfilo
Aug 27, 2011

EXISTENCE IS PAIN😬
Libertarian 101
https://twitter.com/SarahisCensored/status/1677096027579457536?t=oglSB5TlsUoW0LsF1Pwarg&s=19

Panfilo
Aug 27, 2011

EXISTENCE IS PAIN😬
To no one's surprise, Mises Caucus is killing the Libertarian party from within.
https://twitter.com/JonathanTCasey/status/1677301518704209920?t=U-QMtWLAOG_6BF4Tgpn05A&s=19

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Why stay part of the protest party when you can get full fascism from the republicans?

Caros
May 14, 2008

I AM GRANDO posted:

Why stay part of the protest party when you can get full fascism from the republicans?

Well given that mises guys are the more crazy leaning I think it has more to do with them driving out the non-fash libertarians.

For example, the party is refusing to run candidates against Republicans in some swing districts in order to not hurt republican chances.

What is interesting is that is 1/4 losses despite new membership jumping on board with the mises switch. Pretty decent chance they gutted the actual party and some new guys are wearing it around as a coat at this point.

Couldn't have happened to nicer folks.

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OwlFancier
Aug 22, 2013

poor vermin supreme

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