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peanut
Sep 9, 2007



because they are cool soldiers and great guys irl

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forest spirit
Apr 6, 2009

Frigate Hetman Sahaidachny
First to Fight Scuttle, First to Fall Sink


Tai posted:

At this point ''liberal'' is just getting used for ''someone who doesn't agree with me''.

It's getting very boring

this is how it seems and I agree yeah. discourse water-downer

Strategic Tea
Sep 1, 2012

Yeah liberal is by now a totally incoherent word covering
- freedom from tax
- freedom of speech
- freedom to run a business
- freedom to pay your employees $2/day
- freedom from being beaten by police for criticising the Party
- freedom from bill gates' mask mandate
- freedom to marry another man
- freedom from all these gosh darn blue hair pronouns!!!

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

If you agree with ANY kind of liberal, guess what.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat
Liberal is somebody who is being owned, by me

forest spirit
Apr 6, 2009

Frigate Hetman Sahaidachny
First to Fight Scuttle, First to Fall Sink


3D Megadoodoo posted:

If you agree with ANY kind of liberal, guess what.

F A S C I S T

(but said in a thick British accent)

Samovar
Jun 4, 2011

I'm 😤 not a 🦸🏻‍♂️hero...🧜🏻



The person whom I was specifically thinking of when remembering the precedence of some liberals working with fascists was Coco Chanel. And those who readily bought Jewish property after the Nazi state seized it and refused to hand it back after the war was over. Those who took the opportunity of state-wide discrimination to capitalize.

But I also freely admit, that isn't relevant to Russia's invasion of Ukraine. I certainly can't think of any major liberals being in favour of Russia (well, Musk might describe himself as a liberal, but anyone who trusts him is a Prigozhin-level fool) so I'll drop it.

mobby_6kl
Aug 9, 2009

by Fluffdaddy

forest spirit posted:

When you say liberal, what do you mean? Capital L Liberal, like the Liberal party, who are mostly center left?

Or are you talking about the far-left, pro-socialist groups that are more incendiary, the knee jerk reactionaries who will cancel anyone at the first possible instance of ideological transgression

In my interactions the first group is essentially like my boomer parents, down with the march of inclusivity and are "hoo-rah" for Ukraine. The second group are more trepidatious and don't want WW3 but can't really articulate anything beyond a feeble "Russia bad but USA imperialism bad too!"

That footage is bonkers. Hopefully there aren't many civilians hurt, there was a lot of sympathetic detonations flying into the city. What an insane spot for a giant ammo cache
Pretty hilarious that the rubbercat cartoon now has another use



The video is really crazy. Are we sure it's not leaked footage from Oppenheimer?

And yeah some of the grad rockers fly straight into nearby buildings which is wild considering they were stored inside the courtyard of the residential block.


Samovar posted:

The person whom I was specifically thinking of when remembering the precedence of some liberals working with fascists was Coco Chanel. And those who readily bought Jewish property after the Nazi state seized it and refused to hand it back after the war was over. Those who took the opportunity of state-wide discrimination to capitalize.

But I also freely admit, that isn't relevant to Russia's invasion of Ukraine. I certainly can't think of any major liberals being in favour of Russia (well, Musk might describe himself as a liberal, but anyone who trusts him is a Prigozhin-level fool) so I'll drop it.
Wasn't Coco Chancel just a racist/nazi herself?

zone
Dec 6, 2016
https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1676560098250960899
Previously posted video with translated dialog.

Der Kyhe
Jun 25, 2008

Samovar posted:

And those who readily bought Jewish property after the Nazi state seized it and refused to hand it back after the war was over. Those who took the opportunity of state-wide discrimination to capitalize.

This is more than relevant, because Russia does the systematic imperial colonialism on the areas they take over; they throw out the locals they don't find Russian enough, and then sell those stolen homes to their own citizens who are given tax relief or government-backed loan to move in. And when this war is over, there will be a need to have a very serious discussion on what qualifies the Russians who moved in to stay.

My personal opinion, "everyone who moved in after 2014 goes back to Russia or cries about it in Telegram and goes back to Russia". Those apartments, houses or lands aren't theirs, they were forcibly taken from the Ukrainians who were thrown out by Putin's imperial ambitions. They are part of the invaders, and they should go to complain to their tsar Putin and ask him for compensation for their losses.

Der Kyhe fucked around with this message at 14:29 on Jul 5, 2023

a pipe smoking dog
Jan 25, 2010

"haha, dogs can't smoke!"

mobby_6kl posted:

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Wasn't Coco Chancel just a racist/nazi herself?

Yeah she was an active supporter of Vichy politicians and the Nazis, as well as a virulent anti-semite who blamed Jews for trade unions disrupting her clothing factories. The only reason she wasn't shot when paris was liberated was because she was a friend of Churchill's and he ask De Gaulle not to as a personal favour.

She was a real piece of poo poo.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

zone posted:

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1676560098250960899
Previously posted video with translated dialog.

Those are the 1600 new tanks / month that Russia bragged about. Russian AFV manufacturers are simply going through a hipster retro phase. Vintage, prestressed, heritage tanks.

forest spirit
Apr 6, 2009

Frigate Hetman Sahaidachny
First to Fight Scuttle, First to Fall Sink


a pipe smoking dog posted:

Yeah she was an active supporter of Vichy politicians and the Nazis, as well as a virulent anti-semite who blamed Jews for trade unions disrupting her clothing factories. The only reason she wasn't shot when paris was liberated was because she was a friend of Churchill's and he ask De Gaulle not to as a personal favour.

She was a real piece of poo poo.

So a Lib :rolleyes:

I wonder what kind of sabotage Russia is going to do to the nuclear plant. If it's essentially unfuckwithable regarding a meltdown they're likely just going to artillery it a poo poo ton, or maybe they have leftover explosives from the dam they will place and run away behind cover with the giant red plunger box

Slam Pajamas
May 21, 2007
ALL TEXT TITLE ALL-STARS

Carth Dookie posted:

I;m high as all get out, and the shadow on the explosion looks like a man pointing his finger at teh world around hima nd passing judgement. Like the closest I've ever seen to actual divine wrath with god riding the shockwave and its pretty fuckin metal. :stare:

I'm just seeing the "woman yelling at the cat" from a different angle

Pot Smoke Phoenix
Aug 15, 2007



Smoke 'em if you gottem!
Dinosaur Gum
It's not a question of if, it's a matter of when

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-nuclear-977195f0ef72c1601ce17e83ff9da818

Ukraine and Russia accuse each other of preparing imminent attack on Europe’s biggest nuclear plant

KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — Ukraine and Russia accused each other Wednesday of planning to attack one of the world’s largest nuclear power plants, which is located in southeastern Ukraine and occupied by Russian troops, but neither side provided evidence to support their claims of an imminent threat.

The Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant has been a focus of concern since Moscow’s forces took control of it and its staff in the early stages of the war. Over the last year, the U.N.'s atomic watchdog repeatedly expressed alarm over the possibility of a radiation catastrophe like the one at Chernobyl after a reactor exploded in 1986.

While Russia and Ukraine regularly traded blame over shelling near the plant that caused power outages, Ukraine has alleged more recently that Moscow might try to cause a deliberate leak in an attempt to derail Kyiv’s ongoing counteroffensive in the surrounding Zaporizhzhia region.

I'm nowhere near Europe, but when this all first started last year I bought some of these:

https://www.amazon.com/Thyrosafe-Po...1zcF9hdGY&psc=1

Putin is a real piece of poo poo

Randarkman
Jul 18, 2011

mobby_6kl posted:

Wasn't Coco Chancel just a racist/nazi herself?

Probably not gonna be much use trying to decisively categorize her other than she seems to have been been consistently anti-labor and anti-semitic and also drawn towards aristocratic and upper class types, despite coming from a very modest backgroud herself, and that she was highly disdainful of "vulgar american culture".*

*though in the context of the war all of this is kind of how you get someone who is a pro-nazi

zone
Dec 6, 2016
https://twitter.com/oryxspioenkop/status/1676567226768412674?s=20
This is what the "second army of the world" is now reduced to. Rocket pod technicals.

WAR CRIME GIGOLO
Oct 3, 2012

The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

Russia is as unified as Libya so what's the issue?

FMguru
Sep 10, 2003

peed on;
sexually

a pipe smoking dog posted:

Yeah she was an active supporter of Vichy politicians and the Nazis, as well as a virulent anti-semite who blamed Jews for trade unions disrupting her clothing factories. The only reason she wasn't shot when paris was liberated was because she was a friend of Churchill's and he ask De Gaulle not to as a personal favour.

She was a real piece of poo poo.
If you go to the Chanel corporate website, there is a section that details the history of the company through the decades (from its founding to the current moment).

For some reason, there are no entries from the 1940s. Hmm...

zone
Dec 6, 2016
https://twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1676554843941396480
Oh, be quiet, you sore loser. People finally got sick of your imperialist nonsense, so they decided to arm and train the people fighting for their very survival, to ensure that your gang of monkeys and donkeys won't be able to threaten anyone else again with the destruction of your army.

a pipe smoking dog
Jan 25, 2010

"haha, dogs can't smoke!"

FMguru posted:

If you go to the Chanel corporate website, there is a section that details the history of the company through the decades (from its founding to the current moment).

For some reason, there are no entries from the 1940s. Hmm...

She dissolved the company at the start of the war using it as as an excuse to fire her staff who has been on strike without paying them severance.

DandyLion
Jun 24, 2010
disrespectul Deciever

forest spirit posted:

So a Lib :rolleyes:

I wonder what kind of sabotage Russia is going to do to the nuclear plant. If it's essentially unfuckwithable regarding a meltdown they're likely just going to artillery it a poo poo ton, or maybe they have leftover explosives from the dam they will place and run away behind cover with the giant red plunger box

They're going to try and contaminate the facility and/or destroy enough of it that it becomes unusable and a hazard site for Ukraine just out of spite for getting their teeth kicked in.

the other hand
Dec 14, 2003


43rd Heavy Artillery Brigade
"Ultima Ratio Liberalium"

Tai posted:

At this point ''liberal'' is just getting used for ''someone who doesn't agree with me''.

It's getting very boring

*see the avatar that someone in another forum bought me last spring when I came out in favor of Ukraine instead of Russia.
As far as I can tell, it’s all in good fun and I’m kinda proud of it. If there’s any secret nazi poo poo in there, please let me know.

On topic:

https://twitter.com/noelreports/status/1676508467467526144?s=46&t=xh4hN1hNNwF9_Cq439R6TA

It’s just one of many hurdles that Ukraine needs to clear to take Bakhmut back, but it’s a solid step in that direction. Hopefully Russia defends its honor by pulling reinforcements from the more important battle down south.

Lammasu
May 8, 2019

lawful Good Monster
At least Ford has made some acknowledgement that it's founder was so antisemitic it veered into mental illness.

zone
Dec 6, 2016

the other hand posted:

*see the avatar that someone in another forum bought me last spring when I came out in favor of Ukraine instead of Russia.
As far as I can tell, it’s all in good fun and I’m kinda proud of it. If there’s any secret nazi poo poo in there, please let me know.

On topic:

https://twitter.com/noelreports/status/1676508467467526144?s=46&t=xh4hN1hNNwF9_Cq439R6TA

It’s just one of many hurdles that Ukraine needs to clear to take Bakhmut back, but it’s a solid step in that direction. Hopefully Russia defends its honor by pulling reinforcements from the more important battle down south.

Sladkov was bullshitting, according to a Ukrainian soldier on the ground there the situation is very precarious for the occupiers but they haven't left Klishchiivka yet.

CannonFodder
Jan 26, 2001

Passion’s Wrench

peanut posted:

because they are cool soldiers and great guys irl
The Kadyrovites aren't actually fighting any Ukranian forces as they make their propaganda videos.

However, I do not have to hand it to them.

kdrudy
Sep 19, 2009

So is the today the day that Russia drops nukes on willo's balls?

Force de Fappe
Nov 7, 2008


Medieval Chechen warrior: "Aaight, guess I'm gonna leave my hill fort egalitarian homestead and defeat the Mongol hordes for the second time as the only people in history"


Kadyrovites: dude put me in the tiktok too

BeefThief
Aug 8, 2007

CannonFodder posted:

The Kadyrovites aren't actually fighting any Ukranian forces as they make their propaganda videos.

However, I do not have to hand it to them.

They also show up very conspicuously and reveal the positions of whatever regular Russian troops are in the area

Just Another Lurker
May 1, 2009

Pot Smoke Phoenix posted:

It's not a question of if, it's a matter of when
...
I'm nowhere near Europe, but when this all first started last year I bought some of these:

https://www.amazon.com/Thyrosafe-Po...1zcF9hdGY&psc=1

Putin is a real piece of poo poo

Only take those if you KNOW that a radioactive cloud is imminent in your locality.

Pookah
Aug 21, 2008

🪶Caw🪶





edit: actually this feels kind of unhelpful and probably scaremongering - deleting.

Pekinduck
May 10, 2008

the other hand posted:

*see the avatar that someone in another forum bought me last spring when I came out in favor of Ukraine instead of Russia.
As far as I can tell, it’s all in good fun and I’m kinda proud of it. If there’s any secret nazi poo poo in there, please let me know.

If there is I'm not seeing it. Its funny, for a redtext they aren't the obvious insult the buyers were expecting and I find them aesetically pleasing.

I never got one :(

Rust Martialis
May 8, 2007

At night, Bavovnyatko quietly comes to the occupiers’ bases, depots, airfields, oil refineries and other places full of flammable items and starts playing with fire there

zone posted:

https://twitter.com/Maks_NAFO_FELLA/status/1676554843941396480
Oh, be quiet, you sore loser. People finally got sick of your imperialist nonsense, so they decided to arm and train the people fighting for their very survival, to ensure that your gang of monkeys and donkeys won't be able to threaten anyone else again with the destruction of your army.

It's the people in the west who agree with him that should bother you more, who are happy to shrug off genocide.

bob dobbs is dead
Oct 8, 2017

I love peeps
Nap Ghost

Force de Fappe posted:

Medieval Chechen warrior: "Aaight, guess I'm gonna leave my hill fort egalitarian homestead and defeat the Mongol hordes for the second time as the only people in history"


Kadyrovites: dude put me in the tiktok too

the mongols also got clapped by the viets and japanese, the problem is wrong terrain for them (hills for chechens, jungles for viets, island for japanese)

Coolguye
Jul 6, 2011

Required by his programming!

Tei posted:

Dams are way harder to gently caress up, because are basically a big block of concrete and a dynamo. When islam invaded Egypt they destroyed what they considered pagan symbols, but they did not destroyed the pyramids because is hard to gently caress up a human made mountain of stone.

Water is visible, so is easier to see if your are in danger and maybe climb to the rooft of the building. But radiactivity could be frying your internal organs withouth you knowing.

no they're really not, any architect with some explosives can catastrophically compromise a dam np, and explosives are really not hard to come by in the age of molecular chemistry. even just spiking the dynamo with a sufficient injection of thermite can cause an overflow or deterioration event, depending on the design. the only hard thing about loving up any kind of power station in a grievous or horribly dangerous way is getting physical access to it.

again, the actual reason people are paying attention to this where they might have slept on the dam sabotage is because the dam, while definitely a catastrophe and probably a war crime because of the civilian impact (but i-anal), the water levels will be stable and safe in a year and locals can start taking over again. radiation contamination, no matter how localized, has to be handled by larger orgs and nobody wants to get stuck with that responsibility. i'd need some convincing that anyone outside of the conflict zone cares about cancer risks in 5 years, or the welfare of any civilians for that matter. they definitely do care about having another cleanup site on international mandates, though.

in terms of death and pain, the dam was a far bigger crime. you can see water coming, sure, but at that level there's no way you have any time to do anything about it. remember that thousands of russian mobiks died because the water rose so fast they couldn't even get to a tree, let alone actual high ground. but at the end of the day nobody's going to have to sit in a bunch of meetings to appoint a team that will assess the 10-year environmental impact and then hear reports and mitigation statuses for the next actual generation of human experience. they will count the dead and in a year it'll be the locals' issue again.

Coolguye fucked around with this message at 17:36 on Jul 5, 2023

Deus Ex Macklemore
Jul 2, 2004


Zelensky's Zealots
With both sides pointing at the other side eminently blowing up a power plant, I have to imagine there are about 30 satellites watching it to see what actually happens. Not that this is foolproof, or that any footage would ever be made public, but given this much lead-up to something I have to imagine that everyone's watching.

sexy tiger boobs
Aug 23, 2002

Up shit creek with a turd for a paddle.

We don't need satellites. If it happens it was Russia.

Lifespan
Mar 5, 2002
I was just remembering this morning when this thing first started. Russia was piling up troops on the border claiming it was a "military exercise" and everyone was saying "we know that you are going to invade and can pretty much give the exact hour we think you will start." Then once they finally did it, they took the stance of "we had to invade because you kept telling people we would do it. Really this is your fault."

HonorableTB
Dec 22, 2006

Samovar posted:

The person whom I was specifically thinking of when remembering the precedence of some liberals working with fascists was Coco Chanel. And those who readily bought Jewish property after the Nazi state seized it and refused to hand it back after the war was over. Those who took the opportunity of state-wide discrimination to capitalize.

But I also freely admit, that isn't relevant to Russia's invasion of Ukraine. I certainly can't think of any major liberals being in favour of Russia (well, Musk might describe himself as a liberal, but anyone who trusts him is a Prigozhin-level fool) so I'll drop it.

The same thing happened in the US when the Japanese-Americans were put into concentration camps on the west coast. Where I live is where the first Japanese-Americans were rounded up, and the Bainbridge Island-Seattle-Tacoma businesses and houses they used to own were immediately bought up by whites and they refused to give them back, and then had laws passed making it legally theirs due to "abandonment" :crackping:

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Icochet
Mar 18, 2008

I have a very small TV. Don't make fun of it! Please don't shame it like that~

Grimey Drawer

Force de Fappe posted:

Medieval Chechen warrior: "Aaight, guess I'm gonna leave my hill fort egalitarian homestead and defeat the Mongol hordes for the second time as the only people in history"


Kadyrovites: dude put me in the tiktok too

Medieval night vision: can't see poo poo

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