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tiaz posted:fwiw when I've run across their posting in other contexts it seems fine. like they get wound up in themselves about nukes and it's very difficult to dislodge them once they do, but that's all, not that I've made an exhaustive survey or anything
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People in this very forum were predicting back in 2015 that Hilary Clinton would destroy the world by implementing a No Fly Zone in Syria. Instead they got a guy who got impeached for trying to extort favors from Zelensky.
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Jul 4, 2023 21:39
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psydude posted:People in this very forum were predicting back in 2015 that Hilary Clinton would destroy the world by implementing a No Fly Zone in Syria. Instead they got a guy who got impeached for trying to extort favors from Zelensky. Erm..... who? Ghole is probably the furthest right here and I certainly don't remember him making any kind of claim like that
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Jul 4, 2023 21:50
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Erm..... who? Ghole is probably the furthest right here and I certainly don't remember him making any kind of claim like that Specific names escape me, but recall that this forum had a pretty active Tankie/left-libertarian population back then that was kind of emblematic of the second Obama term. Once Trump happened and it became obvious that figures like Glen Greenwald were morally bankrupt, they largely stopped posting here.
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Jul 4, 2023 22:31
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Wasabi the J posted:Russia blames Ukraine for MH17, too, I thought My memory from when it happened is that they had four or five contradictory stories about how it totally wasn't their fault. I'm not entirely sure what the average Russian thinks of that, but I believe the idea is to overwhelm the public with bullshit until all that's left are gut feelings roughly compliant with Putin's will.
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Jul 4, 2023 22:31
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psydude posted:People in this very forum were predicting back in 2015 that Hilary Clinton would destroy the world by implementing a No Fly Zone in Syria. Instead they got a guy who got impeached for trying to extort favors from Zelensky. In this hypothetical alternate universe I suspect the result would have been fewer Russian air missions in Syria, or Wagner mysteriously gaining an air force. 
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Jul 4, 2023 22:45
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psydude posted:Specific names escape me, but recall that this forum had a pretty active Tankie/left-libertarian population back then that was kind of emblematic of the second Obama term. Once Trump happened and it became obvious that figures like Glen Greenwald were morally bankrupt, they largely stopped posting here. Yeah, that's probably true. 2015 was a long time ago
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Lead out in cuffs posted:My memory from when it happened is that they had four or five contradictory stories about how it totally wasn't their fault. My favorite was that a SU 25 intercepted and shot it down
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Jul 5, 2023 00:05
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MrYenko posted:If the residents of Coober Pedy are made in the same mold as the Australians that I’ve personally met, they would notice the disappearance of the pub immediately, and with furious anger. Pretty sure the pub in Coober Pedy is underground so she'll be right.
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Edit: nope, looks like fake news
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Jul 5, 2023 09:14
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Erm..... who? Ghole is probably the furthest right here and I certainly don't remember him making any kind of claim like that Definitely not me. I called it for Trump pretty early on.
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Jul 5, 2023 11:23
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https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1676560098250960899?s=20 Sorry, I don't think wartranslated is on Mastodon yet. For the bird-free: Russian spectator comments on a trainload of T-55s: "Blyat, they're as ancient as mammoth crap!"
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Jul 5, 2023 16:21
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Slashrat posted:My impression was also that any plans for nuclear war always involved firing nukes at every potential adversary, not just the one that triggered the nuclear response. A nuclear exchange is not something you go into expecting to be capable of fighting off an enemy that isn't freshly nuked themselves afterwards, so everyone gets one just in case. During the early days of SIOP in the early 1960s it was even more insane. If the Cuban missile crisis turned into a nuclear war (which could VERY easily have happened) China would have been nuked just because. quote:The National Security Archive commentary reports that Shoup asked USAF/SAC Commander Thomas Power "...what would happen if Beijing was not fighting; was there an option to leave Chinese targets out of the attack plan?" Power was reported to have said that he hoped no one would think of that "because it would really screw up the plan"—that is, the plan was supposed to be executed as a whole. Apparently, Shoup then observed that "any plan that kills millions of Chinese when it isn't even their war is not a good plan. This is not the American way."
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Jul 5, 2023 17:04
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From "The General and World War III" by Richard Rhodes in The New Yorker, June 11, 1995quote:LeMay acknowledged in retirement that Power was “a sadist”; Sagan quotes one of Power’s subordinate commanders who confirms that view:
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Jul 5, 2023 17:39
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Last general officer the United States ever had without a college degree.
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Jul 5, 2023 17:41
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Too psychotic for LeMay? Promote this man and give him the ability to destroy humanity! My God, AF generals in the cold war should have been locked up or shot for the good of the species.
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Jul 5, 2023 17:50
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Not sure if this has been posted yet, but here's a pretty good 15ish minutes on what the current war in Ukraine has to tell us about warfare now and in the near future. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4cdr4xbaqw
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I’m having trouble following the implication here. Sure, Power was a mad man. Okay. However, he seems to be right? If you have a plan that nukes China and your scenario doesn’t involve nuking China then use a different plan. Don’t try to modify that other plan ‘on-the-fly’ to make it work because all the analysis isn’t going to apply and the results aren’t likely to be what you intend. Murgos fucked around with this message at 18:31 on Jul 5, 2023 |
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Jul 5, 2023 18:29
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Murgos posted:I’m having trouble following the implication here. Sure, Power was a mad man. Okay. Unless I am mistaken there was no "Don't Nuke China" plan. Every plan that involved tossing nukes out also had "Nuke China" as part of the plan, which is the what the other quoted is pointing out is hosed up.
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Jul 5, 2023 18:46
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Telsa Cola posted:Unless I am mistaken there was no "Don't Nuke China" plan. Every plan that involved tossing nukes out also had "Nuke China" as part of the plan, which is the what the other quoted is pointing out is hosed up. Yeah, there was only one SIOP active at a given time, is my understanding. No "just blow up this one country that hosed with us"-plan. Only a "destroy everyone who might theoretically gently caress with us and also a third-world country where I was served a bad burger once"-plan.
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Jul 5, 2023 19:23
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PurpleXVI posted:Yeah, there was only one SIOP active at a given time, is my understanding. No "just blow up this one country that hosed with us"-plan. Only a "destroy everyone who might theoretically gently caress with us and also a third-world country where I was served a bad burger once"-plan. My understanding is that when most of your deterrent is bomber based and you think reliable comms will go early and your notice to launch for the bombers is basically long enough to say 'scramble' then the bombers are where the bombers are and they have one flightplan and that's it. Once you have programmable ICBM fields and a reliable satellite based early warning system then you have 5 minutes to pick the response plan you want.
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Hannibal Rex posted:https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1676560098250960899?s=20 Goddamn, if anyone smokes a KV-2 with a Javelin, I hope they catch it on their GoPro.
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Is there really a scenario where Russias next door neighbors would survive a nuclear war with the USA? On the other side, same goes for Mexico, Canada and the Caribbean. Even if they weren’t directly targeted, I would have assumed the amount of fallout crossing the border would be apocalyptic.
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Jul 5, 2023 20:32
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Fallout is pretty easily survivable. Its easy to defend against with procedure like water filtration and MOPP gear even in exaggerated video game level nuclear horror zones. The big problem for most of the worlds population will be clean drinking water and food in the following months, followed by the agricultural effects of nuclear winter in the following years.
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M_Gargantua posted:Fallout is pretty easily survivable. Its easy to defend against with procedure like water filtration and MOPP gear even in exaggerated video game level nuclear horror zones. The big problem for most of the worlds population will be clean drinking water and food in the following months, followed by the agricultural effects of nuclear winter in the following years.
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Jul 5, 2023 20:38
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I legit think that Fallout 4 is way better than NV. Even Fallout 3 is better than "UPS Delivery Simulator". I may have misunderstood the assignment
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Jul 5, 2023 20:43
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Flyinglemur posted:I legit think that Fallout 4 is way better than NV. Even Fallout 3 is better than "UPS Delivery Simulator". No no no, the ranking goes NV > FO4 > FO3
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Jul 5, 2023 20:51
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Flyinglemur posted:I legit think that Fallout 4 is way better than NV. Even Fallout 3 is better than "UPS Delivery Simulator". These are bad words and you should feel bad for them. Of the ones that made the change to 3D NV is on top of the pile. I still rank 1&2 higher because I liked the overhead turn based RPG game play.
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bird food bathtub posted:These are bad words and you should feel bad for them. Of the ones that made the change to 3D NV is on top of the pile. I still rank 1&2 higher because I liked the overhead turn based RPG game play. I made a giant blinking Dickbutt in FO4. NV just had me running around doing errands. I think you now see how right I am.
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CommieGIR posted:No no no, the ranking goes NV > FO4 > FO3 Agreed on NV, but I’d put 3 above 4 as it had novelty of being first FPS in the series so had better sense of exploration. 4 was ok but the story was terrible with teleporting cylon terminators and a protagonist with the charisma of cardboard, & we went from NV’s compelling factions & companions, including an interesting take on the BoS, to the minutemen & maybe one good companion with the robot detective.
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NV was honestly pretty boring, both visually and from a gameplay prospective, I really never understood the hype.
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M_Gargantua posted:Fallout is pretty easily survivable. Its easy to defend against with procedure like water filtration and MOPP gear even in exaggerated video game level nuclear horror zones. The big problem for most of the worlds population will be clean drinking water and food in the following months, followed by the agricultural effects of nuclear winter in the following years. Yeah, and I think from that list, only Canada might have its poo poo together enough to ride out the hellish societal effects of having your food, water and air poisoned simultaneously.
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A lot of goons bounced on four, with not terrible reasons, but I think they miss that for the children and teens that Bethesda was actually targeting the base building and freeroaming aspects are probably very appealing. If I had been younger when the game released, with significantly more free time, I'm sure I'd have spent dozens of hours playing it. NV is the goat, 2 is the real overrated game in the franchise. Yeah it's got a lot of content, and most of it is terrible, filled with god awful Clinton era jokes and lovely pop culture Family Guyesque references.
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Flyinglemur posted:I legit think that Fallout 4 is way better than NV. Even Fallout 3 is better than "UPS Delivery Simulator". You deserve your own line entry in the SIOP for that opinion
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Gaius Marius posted:A lot of goons bounced on four, with not terrible reasons, but I think they miss that for the children and teens that Bethesda was actually targeting the base building and freeroaming aspects are probably very appealing. If I had been younger when the game released, with significantly more free time, I'm sure I'd have spent dozens of hours playing it. I just thought 4 sucked because the enemies were spongy as hell. You can't tell me the kids and teens love that.
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Vengarr posted:Yeah, and I think from that list, only Canada might have its poo poo together enough to ride out the hellish societal effects of having your food, water and air poisoned simultaneously. I wouldn’t bet on it!
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Vengarr posted:Yeah, and I think from that list, only Canada might have its poo poo together enough to ride out the hellish societal effects of having your food, water and air poisoned simultaneously. I'm Canadian and I'm not seeing this at all. The past 30 years of neoliberal bullshit have badly degraded our capacity for food security as well as the social safety nets that need to be in place to ensure that people get what they need. Some areas in Canada might be ok-ish, at least for a little while, but in the aftermath of a civilization-level trauma like a nuclear exchange there's nothing to say that those areas aren't quickly annexed by regional powers in the ruins of the northern US.
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spankmeister posted:You deserve your own line entry in the SIOP for that opinion I know what SIOP is, but uh maybe explain for everyone else. All THOSE idiots
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Flyinglemur posted:I know what SIOP is, but uh maybe explain for everyone else. Single Integrated Operational Plan, the big list of everything that needed vaporizing, by which weapons, in which order if the Cold War turned hot.
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