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🦋 15 3.71%
🦇 115 28.47%
🪰 12 2.97%
🐦 67 16.58%
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paul_soccer12
Jan 5, 2020

by Fluffdaddy
so they are loading explosives onto the roof to false flag ukrainian artillery strikes instead of just firing artillery at it, even though they are well aware spy satellites are covering every inch of the roof and are guaranteed to spot the explosives

that doesnt make any sense! russians sure are (genetically) stupid!!!!

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Ardennes
May 12, 2002

Ramrod Hotshot posted:

Looks like the brunt of Ukraine's week-before-NATO offensive is aimed at the area south of Bakhmut. I guess the reasoning is a) they can claim to be winning back Bakhmut and reverse the narrative that they lost that battle and b) the Donbas might be an easier win than the southern corridor kill zone. But strategically, it doesn't make any more sense to go east first than it ever did. This is just to keep the western gravy train chugging.

https://twitter.com/mdfzeh/status/1676645351472906240

Well they need something to hang their hat on even if they are taking tremendous casualties in the progress.

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

Cash has a new enemy: the government of Ukraine.

In a panel discussion at the Ukraine Recovery Conference, held in London a couple of weeks ago to drum up support and funding for the imaginary construct that is Ukraine’s post-war recovery, the Deputy Chairman of the Office of the President of Ukraine, Rostyslav Shurma, said Kiev is seriously considering banning cash. Doing so could, he said, reduce the country’s corruption problems by between 95-99%. The effort would form part of the Zelensky government’s sweeping US, EU and UN-funded digital governance agenda.

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Everybody knows about the progress we have done with Diia [Ukraine’s digital ID and governance platform] and the digitisation of public services. We plan only to enhance the speed of the public services we will provide [this way] because the logic is very simple: if there is no physical contact with the bureaucrat, there is no risk of corruption.

There is one more important step that I believe we will take. I cannot tell you definitely that we will do [it] because it is still under discussion — but under very deep, very serious discussion with the whole team including the president and prime minister. We want to be the first fully cashless economy.

We know there is a lot of debate about this from the different stakeholders that we are eliminating the rights of the people with no cash. But we believe this will be a very effective tool to eliminate, I think, 95 to 99% of all corruption cases in the country if there is no cash at all.

This is bonkers, of course. Bonkers for the absurd numbers (95-99%) cited as well as the implied notion that a cash-free Ukraine would suddenly be cleansed of all corruption, as if cash were the only financial conduit by which bribes or kickbacks are paid. Bonkers also because Ukraine is still a heavily cash-based economy where physical money accounts for between 40-50% of Ukraine’s M1 money supply (currency, demand deposits and other liquid deposits), according to Vitaliy Shapran, a former member of the National Bank of Ukraine Council. That compares to 15-20% in neighbouring Georgia and 0.5% in Sweden, one of the world’s most cashless economies.

While it may be desirable for cash’s share of the money supply to shrink, getting rid of it entirely is simply not realistic, Shapran told Focus Ukraine, a blog of the Kennan Institute of the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars. For a start, it would leave many of the country’s pensioners with no means of accessing or using money. Then there’s the fact that huge swathes of Ukraine’s territory are currently a battleground for a proxy war of attrition between Russia and the Collective West that has no clear end in sight.

One major victim of that war is Ukraine’s power grid, which is routinely targeted by Russian forces. As a result, the country continues to suffer rolling power blackouts and internet outages. According to its energy minister, Ukraine is conducting the largest campaign of repairs in modern history to its power system in preparation for another winter of Russian airstrikes. As Yves noted in her Nov 3. piece, Has Russia Already Pwnd Ukraine?, it would seem that “the most efficient way for Ukraine to restore the grid (and remember no rebuild will be terribly efficient) would be to get the needed equipment from Russia.” Suffice to say that is not going to happen.

In any remotely sane world, this would immediately disqualify Ukraine as even an outside contender for the planet’s first fully cashless economy. But as readers may have noticed, this is not a sane world, especially when it comes to “Project Ukraine” (h/t Benny Profane).

Ominously, Shurma is not the only senior government official in Kiev talking about the need to eliminate cash. The Deputy Minister for the Economy Oleksandr Gryban recently said Zelensky was “very determined” to move towards a cashless economy and the government would “make everything to make it happen as soon as possible”.

“This is a clear intention of the president, I assure you,” Gryban said. “He does understand that a number of problems were driven by cash, so one of the last meetings he was managing, cashless economy was just one of the main pillars for the future economic transformation.”

Ukraine’s “Diia” digital ID and governance platform predates the conflict with Russia, but as I noted in my previous post, USAID Quietly Unveils Plans to Export Ukraine’s Digital Governance Model Around World, it has been significantly expanded since the hostilities began, in the eternal spirit of never letting a good crisis go to waste:

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Just as the combat theatres of Iraq and Afghanistan served as testing grounds for the mass harvesting and storage of sensitive biometric data, some of which fell into the hands of the Taliban when the US abandoned Afghanistan, war-torn Ukraine is being used to pilot the rapid construction of an all-encompassing digital governance system.

A fully functioning ID system is a prerequisite for launching a central bank digital currency. In December last year, the National Bank of Ukraine (NBU) unveiled its draft concept for developing a CBDC known as the digital hryvnia or the e-hryvnia. Oleksiy Shaban, Deputy Chairman of the NBU, described it as “the next step in the evolution of the payment infrastructure of Ukraine.”

Most of the money used to bankroll Ukraine’s “state in a smartphone” model of governance has come from Washington’s soft power arm, USAID, while US mega-corps like BlackRock, JP Morgan and Mckinsey & Company stand to pocket much of the money raised for reconstruction. Other contributors include the European Union’s eu4digital initiative, the UN’s Development Program (UNDP) and the Swedish government. Their money has helped to build “the most convenient digital state in the world — without corruption, without bureaucracy, absolutely paperless, and open for everyone,” says Valeriya Ionan, the deputy minister of digital transformation.

At this year’s annual meeting of the World Economic Forum in Davos in January, USAID’s administrator and inveterate neocon Samantha Power announced that Washington is hoping to export the “success” of Ukraine’s e-governance digital identity app, Diia to other countries around the world that are struggling with corruption. A few months later, UNDP said Diia is “ready to go international.”

One country that is currently working to replicate Ukraine’s digital ID system is Estonia, which is already one of the world’s most digitized countries. As Estonia’s Prime Minister Kaja Kallas noted a few months ago, the move represents a “new chapter” in the two countries’ digital cooperation.

Ukraine’s allies/backers/owners have at least two possible motives for wanting Ukraine to abandon cash: first, so that it can serve as a testing ground for a CBDC, just as it has done for digital identity; and second, to borrow from a recent article in the Sydney Morning Herald, to “avoid the corruption seen after the Iraq War, when reconstruction funds were used for bribes and kickbacks.” As the article points, Ukraine is still a hive of corruption, placing 116 out of 180 countries in Transparency International’s latest Corruption Perceptions Index.

In a bizarre twist, Ukraine’s plan to kill cash also enjoys the support of Australia’s richest man, Andrew “Twiggy” Forrest, who has launched a new investment fund for Ukraine’s reconstruction, kick-started with $500 million of funds from his private company, Tattarang. The fund will be operated by Ukraine’s Ministry for Economy and administered by the world’s largest asset manager, BlackRock. The Australian mining billionaire hopes funds from other investors of up to $US100 billion.

But on one condition: Kiev must first take out cash, thereby “put[ting] the nail in the coffin of corruption:

quote:

“That’s the point I’ve made to the Ukrainian government: cash will lead to corruption. Now here’s your opportunity to go cashless – there’s no reason to have cash in your society, none.”

A more blatant endorsement for the death of cash from a billionaire businessman you will be hard pressed to find. Even if Forrest’s faith was well placed and Ukraine was able to eliminate cash without visiting significant amounts of further pain, distress and devastation upon an economy that already shrank by around a third last year, the plan has one significant snag:

As economic analyst Borys Kushniruk told Focus Ukraine, the proposed measure to take out cash will have little impact on political corruption, given that most bribes are paid in dollars and euros. Cryptocurrencies are also becoming a popular payment method that is for the moment widely encouraged by Ukraine’s digital-friendly government (machine translated):

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You can eliminate cash hryvnias, but not dollars and euros – the main currencies in which bribes are distributed. Hundreds of millions of dollars in cash are in the hands of Ukrainians. And times are also changing. Many people give bribes in cryptocurrency, making it even more difficult to catch them.

The idea of abolishing cash reflects a misunderstanding [among current officials] of the main economic uses of money. It has five interrelated functions: as a measure of value, a medium of exchange, a method of payment, a method of accumulation and international currency [for foreign trade, international loans, etc.].

If cash is abolished, said Kushniruk, people will inevitably need to introduce another means of payment, including presumably other physical currencies:

quote:

When someone wants to cancel something, they should understand that they will still have to ensure the functioning of the economy. Cash payments are an important component of the economy.

The First Deputy Head of the National Bank of Ukraine Kateryna Rozhkova appears to concur, cautioning that while the “banking system is ready” for a cashless economy “from the viewpoint of technology, inclusion and continuity,… I am not sure that we can claim to be ready to ensure a zero amount of cash in circulation.” She also noted that in some countries where cash had been reduced to minimal levels, “the population did not like it.”

In other words, the central bank does not seem to occupy the same ground as the Zelensky government on this issue, or at least does not view it with the same urgency. Meanwhile, the global race to elminate cash continues to gather pace. At its “Summer Davos” event last week, the World Economic Forum emphatically endorsed the adoption and proliferation of CBDCs. From the digital rights newsletter Reclaim the Net:

quote:

In a report, timed for release with the event this week, the WEF listed “advancing cashless societies” as one of the strong motivations for introducing CBDCs. “Focusing on reducing cash use, promoting digital payments and enhancing financial literacy to drive economic growth and increase efficiency, while balancing privacy concerns,” the report states.

Though it doesn’t say exactly how “balancing privacy concerns” will be addressed.

The conference this week brought attention to the stark reality of physical money becoming a relic, as Eswar Prasad, a Cornell University professor, emphasized during his speech.

Prasad enlightened the audience on the duality of CBDCs. He marveled at their potential benefits but also cautioned against the possible perils. One of the intriguing aspects of CBDCs, according to him, is their programmability. Governments could engineer these digital currencies with the ability to expire and to dictate what they can or cannot be used for.

“We are at the cusp of physical currency essentially disappearing,” said Prasad, thereby underlining the gravity of the situation.

War-torn Ukraine has already been used as a testing ground for digital identity and governance systems. Will it be used in the same way for CBDCs and cashless economics? The ever-obsequious Zelensky government certainly seems happy to offer its services, apparently regardless of the economic pain and fallout it will inflict.

VoicesCanBe
Jul 1, 2023

"Cóż, wygląda na to, że zostaliśmy łaskawie oszczędzeni trudu decydowania o własnym losie. Jakże uprzejme z ich strony, że przearanżowali Europę bez kłopotu naszego zdania!"

Ramrod Hotshot posted:

Looks like the brunt of Ukraine's week-before-NATO offensive is aimed at the area south of Bakhmut. I guess the reasoning is a) they can claim to be winning back Bakhmut and reverse the narrative that they lost that battle and b) the Donbas might be an easier win than the southern corridor kill zone. But strategically, it doesn't make any more sense to go east first than it ever did. This is just to keep the western gravy train chugging.

https://twitter.com/mdfzeh/status/1676645351472906240

Attacking the south made sense from a military strategy standpoint, because in theory Ukraine could cut the land bridge to Crimea, which would be a step in the right direction from them.

Focusing on Bakhmut now by contrast seems to be going for a purely symbolic victory.

really queer Christmas
Apr 22, 2014


Why are you posting the anti trans people site

V. Illych L.
Apr 11, 2008

ASK ME ABOUT LUMBER

it's where they can advance, a place on people's mind and probably also less runious in terms of casualty ratio than attacking in the south

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Russians have a latent psychic capacity, so if they believe the explosives will destroy the ZNPP then they will.

Skaffen-Amtiskaw
Jun 24, 2023

really queer Christmas posted:

Why are you posting the anti trans people site

It's so much more than that. It's also the place where one can get all the latest and most accurate information on how Ukraine is going to win this war.

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Russians have a latent psychic capacity, so if they believe the explosives will destroy the ZNPP then they will.

West will supply the wunderwaffen to deal with this.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

https://twitter.com/GunterFehlinger/status/1676493922737037314?s=20

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

he’s like a capitalist daemon

Shogi
Nov 23, 2004

distant Pohjola

V. Illych L. posted:

it's where they can advance, a place on people's mind and probably also less runious in terms of casualty ratio than attacking in the south

due to placement this unfortunately did sound like ukraine were planning a counteroffensive against mumsnet

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

Truga posted:

i was waiting for someone to point that out. aren't they designed to resist a nuke blast or some poo poo?

That's what they said about the dam, too, that's why the explosion had to have come from the inside.

Nooo, don't remember about the successful HIMARS strikes!

Bar Crow
Oct 10, 2012

Futanari Damacy posted:

Most of the morons you see going "oh my god Putler's really going to do it!!" :ohdear: are projecting their own inner wishes that they cannot vocalize here. They want a radiological disaster, solely to ensure NATO becomes (more) involved in the conflict. It's sick.

Smooth brains can’t help but project. There are two positions: “I want to be perceived as a morally good person” and “My actions should not be bound by any morality”. There’s no friction holding them to any one position so they slide between them accusing their enemies of their own actions. The same frictionless applies to swapping victim/perpetrator and cause/effect.

Bar Crow has issued a correction as of 19:59 on Jul 5, 2023

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018


gunther...

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

really queer Christmas posted:

Why are you posting the anti trans people site

It's the Ukraine news site. What, do you love Putler?

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!
FF posting station danger lights come on

Pistol_Pete
Sep 15, 2007

Oven Wrangler

euphronius posted:

he’s like a capitalist daemon

Wait, where does this guy even get his money from? Every week he's hanging out in a different foreign capital, like some perpetual European tour. Dude must be loaded.

KomradeX
Oct 29, 2011

Pistol_Pete posted:

Wait, where does this guy even get his money from? Every week he's hanging out in a different foreign capital, like some perpetual European tour. Dude must be loaded.

Nazi gold

Dawncloack
Nov 26, 2007
ECKS DEE!
Nap Ghost
WTH did just happen to the title? This was the U-R war thread a minute ago.

Skaffen-Amtiskaw
Jun 24, 2023

Dawncloack posted:

WTH did just happen to the title? This was the U-R war thread a minute ago.

A war is a mass shooting zone, hth.

Futanari Damacy
Oct 30, 2021

by sebmojo

Dawncloack posted:

WTH did just happen to the title? This was the U-R war thread a minute ago.

The hilarity never stops, courtesy of very funny people! :newlol:

Ardennes
May 12, 2002
Interesting…

Is there any way to actually back up a thread beyond just c/p pasting it into a txt file?

Ardennes has issued a correction as of 22:09 on Jul 5, 2023

stephenthinkpad
Jan 2, 2020
LOL I had to click on somebody's posting history to trace back to this thread.

Next time just rename it in the same title as the GBS thread.

Futanari Damacy
Oct 30, 2021

by sebmojo
Those people are literally smoking crack

Egg Moron
Jul 21, 2003

the dreams of the delighting void


Vi sitter i Ventrilo och spelar DotA

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy
They don't want us talking about anything like fall of empire as its all counter narrative and embarassing for people with certain extensive online posting histories or footprints.

Storming into the thread posting FUD doesn't work because we've seen that pattern so many times we just mock them immediately. Hmm. Maybe renaming the thread to something unrelated will work as a fog of confusion? Big brain time.

What do you mean some people never close their browser tabs?

Futanari Damacy
Oct 30, 2021

by sebmojo
Russia is going to turn a functional power plant into a dirty bomb when they have thousands of nukes.

This is an attempt to escalate the conflict to further involve NATO, but they don't want to do anything that would actually harm NATO militarily.

Instead their move is to intentionally irradiate land they fought for and control and poison the people now under their protection.

This strategy relies on the ambiguity of nobody believing anything they say whatsoever to convince the world Ukraine did it.

The ultimate reason for all of this is of course that the orc mind is inscrutable.

:dumb:

Zodium
Jun 19, 2004

DancingShade posted:

They don't want us talking about anything like fall of empire as its all counter narrative and embarassing for people with certain extensive online posting histories or footprints.

Storming into the thread posting FUD doesn't work because we've seen that pattern so many times we just mock them immediately. Hmm. Maybe renaming the thread to something unrelated will work as a fog of confusion? Big brain time.

What do you mean some people never close their browser tabs?

:pwn:

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

Orange Devil posted:

FF posting station danger lights come on

I was distracted by Pit Bulls.

Cuttlefush
Jan 15, 2014

gotta have my purp

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

agreed

Egg Moron
Jul 21, 2003

the dreams of the delighting void

my brother is a really big ukraine stan and I just don't get it, we really poo poo up our family text thread about it because I had to "well actually" about the priggy coup and say it had "jan 6 energy"

now my mom knows I love my boy pooty and I want to kiss his piggy toes

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

Iran is facing legal action at the International Court of Justice over the shooting down of Ukraine International Airlines flight PS752 in January 2020.

Four nations - Canada, Sweden, Ukraine and the UK - are seeking damages for the families of the 176 people on board who were killed.

The plane was hit by two missiles fired by a Revolutionary Guards air defence unit after it took off from Tehran.

Three days later, Iran admitted mistakenly shooting down the plane.




The brutal Iranians have lost the right to a nation. Persia must be brought back under British rule.

Skaffen-Amtiskaw
Jun 24, 2023

Futanari Damacy posted:

Russia is going to turn a functional power plant into a dirty bomb when they have thousands of nukes.

This is an attempt to escalate the conflict to further involve NATO, but they don't want to do anything that would actually harm NATO militarily.

Instead their move is to intentionally irradiate land they fought for and control and poison the people now under their protection.

This strategy relies on the ambiguity of nobody believing anything they say whatsoever to convince the world Ukraine did it.

The ultimate reason for all of this is of course that the orc mind is inscrutable.

:dumb:

I cannot forecast to you the action of Russia. It is a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma; but perhaps there is a key. That key is orcs want more dakka.

Subscribe to my Substack to know EXACTLY what their deprived, animalistic minds want and their next move in this war.

Danann
Aug 4, 2013

https://twitter.com/bazaarofwar/status/1674209164065665030

new hot topic these days this przemysl

Lord of Pie
Mar 2, 2007


Nonsense posted:

The brutal Iranians have lost the right to a nation. Persia must be brought back under British rule.

BP had their shot at running the place

Throatwarbler
Nov 17, 2008

by vyelkin
https://twitter.com/RepMTG/status/1676338275336835072

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007
MTG ftw

really queer Christmas
Apr 22, 2014


Lmao

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Dec 12, 2019

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