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Zereth
Jul 9, 2003



As I recall he just says "every time", and they only showed up later on in the actual sex.

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yeah actually they will
Aug 18, 2012
Snout loves cumming.

Fister Roboto
Feb 21, 2008

I interpreted it as a dumb joke, in the sense that it technically happens every time because he's only had sex once.

SubG
Aug 19, 2004

It's a hard world for little things.
I think Snout was briefly a were-satyr because Mookie was briefly into drawing satyr porn. That moment passed, so Snout isn't a were-satyr anymore.

Currently he's a dream warrior, and maybe tonight he'll be gone.

Happy Landfill
Feb 26, 2011

I don't understand but I've also heard much worse
I will never forget Snout turning in to a Satyr. Ever. It is etched in my brain, unfortunately.

GreenMetalSun
Oct 12, 2012
Do you think Mookie considers:

Why does Snout turn into a Satyr when he fucks?
Ink Witch was apparently betrayed and hurt by someone in her coven.
Original Corpsemommy's search for Asinotaph and the reason for it.
Arudak's Nazi past.

To be dropped plotlines?

Trapezium Dave
Oct 22, 2012

Snout turning in a Satyr is because he's a Mongrelfolk and WILD EDGE bitches.
Ink Witch was hurt by the Redactor duh no further questions.
Kainada was a Deep Dreamer and all Deep Dreamers seek to learn the Secret of Dominic Deegan.
Arudak was an orc supremacist because Random Mmorgs was a mean jock to him but he's better now.

Most of those aren't attempted plotlines but plot hole fillers trying to explain why these characters are in this comic and won't go beyond that. All we will know is Kainada was a dreamer and she was killed because she was seeking Dominic; we won't know why she sought Dominic or how the villains knew this. Plot hole filled job done!

Rotten Red Rod
Mar 5, 2002

Speaking of the bad guys, they're just loving dead I guess????

Either that or they woke up, but then can't they just, uh, go back to sleep and show up again I guess? It's not like they ACTUALLY lost the real world diary. I assume.

amigolupus
Aug 25, 2017

It's so funny and pathetic that Snout's treating this as a major victory when he didn't actually get back the physical copy of his diary.

Cloacamazing!
Apr 18, 2018

Too cute to be evil
Maybe he did get back the physical copy of his diary because of his LUCID DREAMING SKILLS!

skeleton warrior
Nov 12, 2016


GreenMetalSun posted:

Do you think Mookie considers:

Why does Snout turn into a Satyr when he fucks?
Ink Witch was apparently betrayed and hurt by someone in her coven.
Original Corpsemommy's search for Asinotaph and the reason for it.
Arudak's Nazi past.

To be dropped plotlines?

I mean, you’re assuming that Mookie considers anything. He doesn’t. He avoids thinking about things too deeply or going into detail because he fears being caught up later by continuity issues. He doesn’t have a story to tell, or characters he wants to explore, or situations he wants to set up and see the results of. He is just intensely incurious about his own thoughts and the work he does, because his driving goal is not to create, but to be seen as a creator.

Midnight Voyager
Jul 2, 2008

Lipstick Apathy

Fister Roboto posted:

I interpreted it as a dumb joke, in the sense that it technically happens every time because he's only had sex once.

A joke he told to himself, undercut by the fact that if it was the first time, he'd probably react to whatever the gently caress just happened...

yeah nah, I think Mookie's just a creep who has a hard time hiding his fetishes.

GreenMetalSun posted:

Do you think Mookie considers:

Why does Snout turn into a Satyr when he fucks?

This being one of his fetishes.

Hippocrass
Aug 18, 2015

That third panel of the first comic just makes it. It's still funny if you remove it, but that panel included just makes it top tier.
I, for one, am exited to watch everybody give Snout a big hug tomorrow.

Exposition on Monday.

Inadequately
Oct 9, 2012

Hippocrass posted:

Um, excuse me. HOW many times has he pointed at that patch while pouting? It's his most useful feature.

One of the wildest aspects of the comic to me, and also one of the strongest pieces of evidence against Snout having...basically any positive trait ever, is that this invariably happens every time one of his buddies gets into a screaming, heated argument. He never once thinks 'oh, one of my friends is having a heated and clearly deeply personal argument, I should back them up or maybe comfort them once they're done' or even the more selfish but also relatable 'oh, one of my friends is having a heated and deeply personal argument, I should step away because this is none of my business and I'm uncomfortable being here.' It's always 'oh, one of my friends is having a heated and deeply personal argument, and they're not bothering to transcribe it for me, which is very impolite of them if you ask me.'

And then when Ink Witch does bother to help transcribe the argument for him line by line, he generally has no particular opinion beyond 'wow man this is way over my head, why do I hang out with people who attract so much drama'.

GreenMetalSun
Oct 12, 2012

Trapezium Dave posted:

Ink Witch was hurt by the Redactor duh no further questions.

Do you think he had a whole thing he wanted to do with this only to realize that there was no way/he didn't have the talent to do it dialogue free? Did he leave it behind when people told him Idiota was abusive? Does he think that a female character's purpose is being mommy and letting his self insert rub his face on her boobs?

Cloacamazing!
Apr 18, 2018

Too cute to be evil
Maybe as far has he plans anything, likely, definitely yes

rudecyrus
Nov 6, 2009

fuck you trolls
Mookie uploaded another blog entry and the irony is so thick it's suffocating:

I’d Rather Fail For Being Too Weird posted:

At AwesomeCon a few weeks ago there were some very nice people who had some very nice things to say about The Legacy. There were also some very nice people who had some critiques for it, and were very nice about offering them. There weren’t many, but the few critiques said approximately the same things: that The Legacy is very different from the Oracle for Hire years and that it’s sometimes hard to follow.

I’ve been reflecting on those critiques these past few days, not in a revelatory way, but in the manner of a thought experiment.

I imagined how I’d feel if my career in comics failed tomorrow. If there was no longer enough money coming in to pay my share of the bills and/or everyone gave up on this strange kinda-sorta sequel story and stopped reading my work altogether. Obviously I’d feel saddened, but I began to spell out how my story as a comic creator would have ended: “His career ended when he started making comics that were too weird.” And honestly? That wouldn’t be a bad way to have your career fail, given the alternatives.

I feel like everyone is waiting in fear for that news article to break that your favorite entertainer, whether they’re in the fine or performing arts, is an inhuman piece of garbage. That wholesome comedian turned out to be a serial abuser. That once-beloved comics creator morphed into a hideous racist. That author whose work changed your life now spouts anti-queer rhetoric on the regular. The list goes on and on.

As far as I’m aware, I am none of the above.

So if The Legacy were to be the end of it all (which I don’t believe it is because enough of you seem to like it), it would be a fittingly artistic end to my career. I’d much rather have people say, about the end of my time making comics, that “his comics got too weird” than “turns out he was a horrible person all along.”
I love how he interpreted "This comic is hard to follow" as "This comic is too weird."

Joe Slowboat
Nov 9, 2016

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What an incredible pat on the back he’s giving himself there.

FlocksOfMice
Feb 3, 2009
Okay, I take back what I said about wanting to touch the poop and have an honest discussion with him about the themes of his comic, apparently he's so far into lalaland that he'd come out of it thinking his comic somehow holds the meaning to life and he's a guru or something.

Rotten Red Rod
Mar 5, 2002

Jeez, he took very mild, constructive criticism of the quality of his work and literally decided he can ignore it because he didn't get himself cancelled like Cosby or something. Some real cope going on there.

Mookie, they didn't say, "your comic is a weird artistic risk", they said "your comic is bad".

Happy Landfill
Feb 26, 2011

I don't understand but I've also heard much worse
I am shocked there are people that find Legacy hard to follow

catlord
Mar 22, 2009

What's on your mind, Axa?

Happy Landfill posted:

I am shocked there are people that find Legacy hard to follow

It is if you expect any sort of traditional storytelling methods and tropes. It's only the weekly exposition dumps that keep us on the right track after all and sometimes to make sense of what's going on we have to check Mookie's Twitter. Which is absurd for how simple it actually is.

Emrikol
Oct 1, 2015
I mean, it is weird. Fascinatingly weird. But it's not good weird.

rudecyrus
Nov 6, 2009

fuck you trolls
Some people had some critiques for me, so I took the opportunity to think about how great I am.

skeleton warrior
Nov 12, 2016


I mean, I’ll admit that I find this strip hard to follow. The information is presented only in giant text dumps that make my eyes slide off the page so it’s hard to learn what he’s talking about, and since nothing connects to anything or relates to anything else, it’s instantly forgettable. And given how often the plot is “we wandered here but nothing happened” or “we tried this lead but it didn’t really mean anything” or “we found out a brand new plot hook that Mookie’s bored with so we’ll never touch it again” there’s no reason to pay attention, it’s not going to reward me or anything.

So, yeah, I agree with the people who say it’s hard to follow.

rudecyrus
Nov 6, 2009

fuck you trolls
CHAPTER 35: THE SEARCH FOR CELESTO, Part 2: A CHANCE TO CHANGE

In which the story screeches to a halt so Dominic can look like a pedophile.


Szark's back!

Not on expert on fencing, but I'm fairly certain they should be wearing face protection. And I'm not sure how two cross-slashes equals disarmament, but maybe Szark is just that good.


I see Heliner's problem: His forearm is too short. Kind of a dick move for Dominic to show up without notice, but what else is new?

Is it me, or does Szark look extremely feminine? He looks like he's wearing eyeliner and blush (well, more blush than the other characters), and it feels like it's because he's gay.


Dominic wants to look up alternative scrying methods because the Battlecasters monitoring crystal balls. Keep this in mind, because things are about to get stupid.


You'd think Dominic would know about the old methods, being a master oracle and bottomless well of knowledge. Never mind, he's got the groundbreaking idea of scrying a sword's reflection. But isn't that like scrying with a mirror, which you said wouldn't wor -- ah gently caress it


And he's going to scry the reflection while Szark is swinging the sword, because Mookie didn't think about this concept beyond how COOL and METAL it looks.


No, I don't care what Mookie pulls out of his rear end to retroactively explain why this idea isn't hot garbage. It's stupid, end of story.

So it looks like Szark didn't teach his students about weapon safety considering they're using sharp blades and Heliner nearly killed Dominic. Worst teacher ever.


Some observations:

1. It's "en garde" not "en guarde"
2. Szark hasn't aged a day
3. Dominic is still a tool


JOCK ALERT JOCK ALERT JOCK ALERT

so, how 'bout that eldritch horror threatening to destroy the world in cahoots with the king? gonna do anything? no?


Yeah, why would the academy want the top student to represent the school? He's such a JOCK!

Let's talk about swords. I used to be a sword nerd years ago (and still am to an extent) and everything about the swords in DD irritates me. Since Mookie based Szark's dueling techniques on fencing, Szark should use a rapier or a foil, both of which are used mainly for thrusting. Instead, he's using this hosed up wall hanger with a single edged blade more suiting for slicing AND he's swinging with the blunt edge! The guard isn't circular and it's not wide enough to protect the hand, and the grip is too short. Finally, Mookie can only draw a sword one way (with the flat of the blade facing the reader), so there's no feeling of movement.


"Although I am having a little hearing you." Couldn't look at the page for a few more seconds, eh Mookie?

What motion is Szark doing? He's gotta be spinning in circles for this to work.


oh no the beast is gonna kill chance! (yawn)


In Chance's defense, I'd be weirded out by a guy staring at me for hours too.


O...kay?


"Tempting as that may be"? He's a child and you're (supposedly) an adult, Dominic. How old are these students supposed to be?


In an unexpected development, the snooty upper class stereotypes don't believe our heroes.


Is Szark going to beat the poo poo out of children? Why does he need a sponsor if he's a master swordsman -- wouldn't they pay him to show up?


When has Dominic been as stickler for permission? He uses his second sight on people without it all the time! And loving Szark comes off like a psycho.

Here's an idea: Dominic tells Miranda what's happening, Miranda talks to Chance's parents, they believe her because she's an archmage, this plot moves the gently caress on.


The first panel is... something. A black cutout with a windmill forearm. That's what swordfighting looks like, folks. Anyway, it turns out Chance is sad because no one likes him or something. I think he's staring at the empty space next to Dominic, but Mookie blows at storytelling so he might just be zoning out.


Good job terrifying a child, Dominic.

Gotta be hard for Chance to fence with this thumb stuck like that.


The foreshortening is so hosed up that Chance looks like a toddler. Look at how big his head is compared to the rest of his body. What's with his enormous boner? Holy poo poo.


Dominic literally can't talk to a child. This whole predicament revolves around his inability to communicate with other humans.


You know what? Good. He deserves it.

Doesn't he have brittle bones? Shouldn't he have a broken hip?


1. Paranoid of seers, yet they employ scryers.
2. They were victimized by a seer, so Dominic will victimize them again by using his second sight without their permission.
3. That last panel is unacceptable.


ROLE REVERSAL! Heliner's side-mouth is about to swallow his face.

Here's a question: Why did Celesto need to speak to the Masters to con them? Why not use his second sight to extract the info while they're sleeping or something? Why do I bother asking these questions?


whatever


THIS IS A HIGH FANTASY EPIC. GET BACK TO THE loving BEAST. NO ONE CARES ABOUT THIS ANTI-BULLYING poo poo.


help i'm dying of boredom


This strip of Dominic wasting time echoes Mookie's creative process.


Maybe this is the comic's low point -- days after days of nothing happening while a multidimensional menace takes a back seat to a high school fencing class.


ha ha hat man throw hat on gay man. funny!




it's about loving time


Hang on, Celesto's about to reveal something...


god loving drat it

It couldn't be clearer that Mookie made (and continues to make) this comic solely for his ego. He doesn't care about the creative process in any way, whether it's writing, drawing, composition, or any of that boring poo poo, it's about seeing himself as an artist and all the attention that title brings, usually praise and reverence at the numerous cons he used to attend. Rereading his old blog posts in the mock threads, he never writes about any of the poo poo I mentioned, just what con he's going to next, or how much he enjoyed the last con he went to, or it's some braindead pun, or how awesome and METAL this band is without going into detail. Mookie is an inherently boring and uncreative man and making a comic is simply a means to an end.

I'm sorry, but as someone stuck in a major artistic rut, the way Mookie created something after nine years of doing it and the way he creates something after twenty loving years of doing it is agonizing.


Anyway, Szark's in trouble because this tournament inexplicably allows fighters to use sharp blades.


Dominic moves fast for a guy missing a leg. And there's that ballet pose again.


My mistake, it was Dominic's astral form getting lasered -- it's difficult to tell when there's no goddamn transition.

Also, Dominic is a loving creeper.


Heliner's been in fencing class for at least a few months given his history with Chance, but he can't swing a sword without losing it. Of course.


Can you tell this was the weekend cliffhanger?


WHATEVER, just advance the loving plot


poo poo, Dominic sliced Celesto in half with a big anime swoop. Now he'll never find out what's going on!


Celesto's plan is to imitate the Beast and kill Chance, which will implicate the king... somehow. How would people make that connection? Why not simply show everyone images of the king and the Beast communicating? Whoops, I'm doing that dumb thinking thing again!


It's kinda hosed up that the murderous anti-hero is the one with his priorities straight.


"I never expected you to help, I just wanted to explain my entire plan like a James Bond villain."


Dominic has the power to speak through swords because MAGIC.


Scarlatti has some unbelievably bad facial hair. I don't think it's even attached to his upper lip -- it floats around on his face like it's sentient.


yeah sure dominic can jump between swords. this isn't another deus ex machina i swear

Ready for another infamous strip?


Let's dissect this.

1. Celesto doesn't notice Dominic escaping even though he's arguably more powerful than Dominic at this point.
2. It's been established Dominic can appear as whatever he wants to be in the psychoplane, so why does he choose to appear totally naked in front of an underage child?
3. Tension destroyed with a groan-worthy pun.
4. Dominic still has his glasses.

For gently caress's sake, Mookie.


IT'S OKAY HE'S NOT REALLY NAKED DESPITE BEING NAKED


Show 'em what you're made of Chance, by using ME so I can use MY power to save us me me me


Why does Chance need to swing in real life to swing in the psychic plane? Well you see, sometimes magic is just magAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA


Whatever you do, don't explain what's going on, Szark! That would get in the way of making Scarlatti a bad guy!


lol i'm a sexual deviant who else wants some


Why is Dominic still naked


Dominic's dead, comic's over.

I wish.


Then Celesto killed Chance, the end. Please?


Too bad there's no one else at this dueling tournament to stop Szark. Bronto should have a doctor fix his dislocated thumb.


Welp, looks like Chance just killed his butler...


Or not! No consequences for the good guys, ever!

But hold on, it looks like Dominic's powering up and we're about to reach peak anime...


Literal Thundercats sword.

This is so goddamn stupid. Just look at this page for a while and keep in mind this is what Mookie thought was cool.


Dominic does the thing. Please end.


Butler suddenly has pupils.


Fuuuuuuuuuuck yoooooooooou. This is (allegedly) a high fantasy world where magic and mystical shenanigans happen all the time and Szark didn't want to explain what's going on because he'd sound crazy. Eat loving poo poo, you hack.


Aww, the king looks so happy with his pet noodle monster.


What, did you think Scarlatti would save the day? You idiot. You dunce. Instead, Dominic kills the Beastlings via energy beam. So goddamn stupid.


Dominic comes out of this without a scratch because he's the bestest.


Celesto realizes he's not a Deegan and can't do poo poo.


That mantra sucks.


Yeah, you'd better apologize to your lord and savior. Looks like we're about to see why Celesto hates the Masters in the first place.


Fraud. Dad Masters committed fraud years ago and Celesto hates him. Jfc. Everything about this comic is incredibly petty. No self-justification from Dad Masters either, just "I stole a guy's idea and now I feel bad about it."


Don't. Care. End this part, I beg of you.


Dominic's gonna stare at some kids for a while. Don't mind him, it's just what he does.


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Next time: Why isn't this loving chapter over?

Tesseraction
Apr 5, 2009

Mookie being pelted with rotten fruit and booed off the stage for his awful material: "well at least I wasn't cancelled for being a nonce."

Cemetry Gator
Apr 3, 2007

Do you find something comical about my appearance when I'm driving my automobile?
He's really amazing at saying nothing. Like, instead of actually considering what the feedback means, he's instead thinking "hey, I'm not getting cancelled for being a lovely person."

Like, yeah, it's great to take risks and do things your way, but part of being a great artist is to drive to push yourself better and to look critically at your work. And he's just incapable of that.

He's still stuck in the "I actually made something" phase, and I don't think he's going to ever move on.

rudecyrus
Nov 6, 2009

fuck you trolls
Put me down as another one who thinks Legacy is difficult to follow in a "I don't understand what drives these characters or why [x] is happening" way.

Joe Slowboat
Nov 9, 2016

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He definitely thought he was being so clever by making the rich rear end in a top hat kid actually the victim. He really thought he was subverting expectations in a meaningful way.

Breadmaster
Jun 14, 2010
the only part about this arc that was worth anything was the butler

Trapezium Dave
Oct 22, 2012

Joe Slowboat posted:

He definitely thought he was being so clever by making the rich rear end in a top hat kid actually the victim. He really thought he was subverting expectations in a meaningful way.
And he didn't consider how if Chance actually was the best pupil at the school then Szark was a petty dick not to put him in the tournament.

There's also how the whole first half of that arc is Dominic doing sword scrying so he can avoid detection and then it ends with him very publicly making a scene at the tournament, getting thrown out, and then everyone acting extremely weird before a massive vision frames the king. Yeah they're never going to pin that one on you champ.
(they do not actually pin that one on Dominic because Mookie would never consider that).

SubG
Aug 19, 2004

It's a hard world for little things.

rudecyrus posted:

Put me down as another one who thinks Legacy is difficult to follow in a "I don't understand what drives these characters or why [x] is happening" way.
Yeah, the most confusing thing about Legacy is what the stakes are even supposed to be. What are the "bad guys" even trying to accomplish? What would the consequences of that be? How is that different from what the "good guys" would do?

Pulsarcat
Feb 7, 2012

I sometimes have trouble following the comic because any important information tends to be buried under a mountain of exposition.
Plus you have weeks if not months where the comic is just boring as hell, combined with characters who are just a lot of nothing.

So I honestly have a hard time remembering a lot of what happened.

rudecyrus
Nov 6, 2009

fuck you trolls

Pulsarcat posted:

I sometimes have trouble following the comic because any important information tends to be buried under a mountain of exposition.
Plus you have weeks if not months where the comic is just boring as hell, combined with characters who are just a lot of nothing.

So I honestly have a hard time remembering a lot of what happened.

I'm trying to remember past events and characters and the ones I can recall are for bad reasons: Snout loving a bog hag and getting congratulated for it, the Ink Witch stripping and cuddling with Snout in her sleep, Snout slamming his dick into a halfling's face, the fight scene in the market for its horrible execution, Arudak being an orc nazi (but not really), some interminable wandering through mediocre landscapes, dream sequences solely to waste time, the porn book shop owner who couldn't keep his pants on, some flower guy, Snout going to a nude beach for some reason... beyond that, I think the overarching plot is magic is gone because of something Dominic did 200 years ago, and Snout needs to reach the heart of magic in the dream realm of Asinotaph because Redactor wants its power and that would be bad because she's racist.

Mx.
Dec 16, 2006

I'm a great fan! When I watch TV I'm always saying "That's political correctness gone mad!"
Why thankyew!



Schubalts
Nov 26, 2007

People say bigger is better.

But for the first time in my life, I think I've gone too far.

SubG posted:

Yeah, the most confusing thing about Legacy is what the stakes are even supposed to be. What are the "bad guys" even trying to accomplish? What would the consequences of that be? How is that different from what the "good guys" would do?

Especially when the goal of one of the crew is to forcibly resurrect his dead ex-wife/girlfriend because she gives the best blowjobs.

Emrikol
Oct 1, 2015
The new page is available, and is just incomprehensible.

Trapezium Dave
Oct 22, 2012

It feels like a sprint to end the comic right now.



I guess that really was it for the antagonists, RIP Random Mmorpgs and Other Ink Witch.

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Riot Bus
Jan 8, 2020
"People may not like my comic, but at least I haven't been cancelled for being a sex pest."

Taking the wins where he can get them I guess.

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