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CitizenKeen posted:D&D has always had a huge military following. I don't think that's new. It's a hobby that involves escapism, minimal physical gear, and benefits from having a lot of time (especially boredom time). It's like it was made for grunts in the military.
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One of my buddies served on a US submarine and they had a bag of dice, PHB, DMG and MM and more than one game running on different shifts.
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It doesn't look like he was an officer. And, yeah, D&D (and other rpgs) were big in the military even way back when I was in. Seemingly every barracks or berthing area (your rooms on a ship) had a log running card game at one table and D&D at another. Some went for extended periods of time, with DMs and players swapping in and out. You've got a lot of time to waste on ship, and D&D is a good way to do that. I don't think I've ever played as much as I did then.
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It makes sense that like a percentage of people who are in the space for something that is this mass market is going to come from military. It's like being surprised that fascists can love Star Wars too. This kickstarter thing looks mid though, but hey 5e sucks at like anything that isn't fighting, and is only marginally better at the fighting part than the other two pillars. It makes sense that if they are gonna make a dumb Zelda/Ghibli mashup world, they are gonna end up having the cute creatures with stat blocks to murder. As generally that's what D&D is designed for. But yeah, I don't know enough about that dude to have any sort of grand opinion on him, other than he looks stupid, and this project looks like it sucks(lmao when it makes like a half a million on kickstarter regardless because people love Ghibli and Zelda). It's also funny because wasn't there another TTRPG kickstarter that got funded and did pretty well recently doing a similar thing only it had it's own unique system and wasn't just grafting the setting and creatures onto 5e. They probably looked at that and said, what if we did that but using 5e. Dexo fucked around with this message at 16:28 on Jul 5, 2023 |
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Dexo posted:It's also funny because wasn't there another TTRPG kickstarter that got funded and did pretty well recently doing a similar thing only it had it's own unique system and wasn't just grafting the setting and creatures onto 5e. Monster Care Squad. No violence, good rules, good setting, and the physical book is one of the nicest RPGs ever priced. Also goon-made which can go either way. Did really well on Kickstarter. https://sandypuggames.itch.io/monster-care-squad
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Dexo posted:But yeah, I don't know enough about that dude to have any sort of grand opinion on him, other than he looks stupid, and this project looks like it sucks e: I'm a little disappointed that the military thing distracted so much from his dumb moustache and dumber game Splicer fucked around with this message at 17:11 on Jul 5, 2023 |
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CitizenKeen posted:D&D has always had a huge military following. I don't think that's new. It's a hobby that involves escapism, minimal physical gear, and benefits from having a lot of time (especially boredom time). It's like it was made for grunts in the military. I used to work in a Waldenbooks near a sub base. And I could tell when subs returned to point because our smallish TTRPG would have a sales spike. And they bought enough that we were a stop for the TSR Silver Anniversary tour.
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Thomamelas posted:I used to work in a Waldenbooks near a sub base. And I could tell when subs returned to point because our smallish TTRPG would have a sales spike. And they bought enough that we were a stop for the TSR Silver Anniversary tour. Every year when people graduated high school and went into the military we'd see the recruits come into our FLGS and spend their signing bonus.
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The link between the military and RPGs goes way back, starting with the way RPGing emerged from the wargaming hobby. I grew up in a military town, and all my early D&D books and funny dice were bought at a hobby store called The Command Post that mostly sold models and paints and wargames.
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military and board games/tgs go way back, cribbage is basically a tradition on submarines going back to the second world war
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Dawgstar posted:Every year when people graduated high school and went into the military we'd see the recruits come into our FLGS and spend their signing bonus. Compared to the guys who would go buy what ever the current hot car was, with a 27% APR loan, that's a wise decision.
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I ran a game for some of my fellow recruits in Navy boot camp during our Sunday morning free time hours*. Extremely free-form, we drew numbered slips of paper out of a laundry bag when we needed random numbers. You could get in trouble for writing unauthorized things in your recruit notebook so we didn't even have character sheets, just made do with general descriptions and rolled based on things you'd used to describe your character and their abilities. Honestly looking back it reminds me of Fate's aspects. This was 2003. * the instructor who was in charge of us Sunday mornings was always hung over as hell and slept it off in the bay office. As long as nobody got too loud he didn't give a poo poo what you did instead of going to chapel.
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I see the nazi filter as similar to a spam filter; I have to set my email provider's spam filter to like 6 or 7, or it's too aggressive and rejects emails from my stepmom. There's no way anyone can program a filter to detect hate speech (or any other broad category of speech) that won't either make lots of false negatives or lots of false positives, and most will do both. Not that different from the child protection filters that e.g. prohibit discussion of breast feeding or recipes for grilled chicken breast or mention of the olympic 100m breaststroke event. Moreover, if this is a social media platform where you can sign up for free and don't have to use your real ID to create an account, anyone trying to do hate speech can test the system to see what passes and what doesn't, and if your system is automated and your posts are simply blocked or your account banned, you can just make one account after another and keep testing until you find or invent the right combination of slang, dogwhistle, etc. to get through. Having the ability to tweak the knob on a hate speech filter is almost definitely required so that it doesn't, e.g., ban a black person for using the N-word, prohibit discussion of the history of WWII, or identify any message mentioning Israel as antisemitic. Honestly it's nice to have a hate speech filter to begin with, however ineffective it probably is. Let's argue for leaving it on 10 permanently after they've proven they've invented an AI so smart it can automatically tell the difference between hate speech, and speech decrying hate speech that contains a quote of someone's hate speech. I'm not holding my breath.
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Feels Villeneuve posted:military and board games/tgs go way back, cribbage is basically a tradition on submarines going back to the second world war He taught me, decades ago at this point. Still love that game.
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Splicer posted:e: I'm a little disappointed that the military thing distracted so much from his dumb moustache and dumber game It distracted from the dumb mustache because you were trying to rally support by calling him a member of a "caste" that you don't like. Not an unreasonable play given that we have people around here who will fly into a frothing rage at the mere concept of the military, but it didn't work out this time - turns out there's a lot of veterans who play traditional games! Don't worry, reinforcements will arrive eventually.
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It's also hilarious that goons of all people are trying to work up a storm because someone is funny looking. I've seen the goon selfie threads, no one here should be throwing stones on that front. I'm actually really confused what point those series of pictures were even supposed to be making. It's not an official WotC product, so it's not the usual anti-WotC gimmick, it appears to be an indie kickstarter, and I didn't see anything in those pictures indicating it was some kind of Nazi product. So, I guess it's just "this guy is funny looking and also was in the military at some point in his life hurhur!"?
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Feels Villeneuve posted:military and board games/tgs go way back, cribbage is basically a tradition on submarines going back to the second world war The story is very cool too. quote:In April of 1943, the USS Wahoo (SS-283) was headed out on its fourth war patrol. However, unlike her previous missions, Wahoo would be tested by being sent to the shallow waters of the farthest reaches of the Yellow Sea. This would be the first time a submarine would patrol the area. Tensions ran high as the crew headed the area. To make them feel more at ease, Commander Dudley “Mush” Morton and his Executive officer Richard “Dick” O’Kane broke out a cribbage board and began to play. As submarine lore goes, Morton dealt O’Kane a perfect 29, the highest possible hand one can get in the game. It has been said that the crew calculated the odds to be one in 216,000. The crew felt like the hand was a lucky omen. That night, the Wahoo sank two Japanese freighters... https://ussnautilus.org/the-lucky-cribbage-board/
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Anonymous Zebra posted:It's also hilarious that goons of all people are trying to work up a storm because someone is funny looking. I've seen the goon selfie threads, no one here should be throwing stones on that front. The point is that this is the whitest white guy doing Orientalism and/or cultural appropriation. I don't know the product details and how much of that is a fair accusation, just that excerpt doesn't seem wildly bad to me on that front. But if it is a overtly/shamelessly "inspired by Asia!" product that's made by this guy with no cultural consultants that does lots of Orientalism, it's at least amusing to know that the guy looks the part of someone doing an Orientalism.
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Anonymous Zebra posted:It's also hilarious that goons of all people are trying to work up a storm because someone is funny looking. I've seen the goon selfie threads, no one here should be throwing stones on that front. In my defense, I frequently say I look stupid.
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In San Diego you could always tell the navy table in the game store because they were playing Traveler. The game store owner told me once he ordered Traveler stock specifically for when the carriers would come in.
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Ultiville posted:The point is that this is the whitest white guy doing Orientalism and/or cultural appropriation. This thread was having a massive circlejerk about how acab also applies to the military and flipping out about some military dude winning an ennie or something not too long ago, so I'd wager that's the reason his service was brought up. I could be wrong idk Anonymous Zebra posted:It's also hilarious that goons of all people are trying to work up a storm because someone is funny looking. I've seen the goon selfie threads, no one here should be throwing stones on that front Commenting on people's looks in general is pretty childish and distasteful, there's no real way to do it and come out looking like a winner and it usually gives ammo to the people you're attacking. Doubly so in any rpg space where most people in it have body image issues and various traumas related to that. Billy the Nazi RPG writer isn't bad because he's an overweight guy who smells like mold, he's bad because he's a loving nazi and that would still be true if he looked like Henry Cavil.
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Kestral posted:It distracted from the dumb mustache because you were trying to rally support by calling him a member of a "caste" that you don't like. Not an unreasonable play given that we have people around here who will fly into a frothing rage at the mere concept of the military, but it didn't work out this time - turns out there's a lot of veterans who play traditional games! Don't worry, reinforcements will arrive eventually. Splicer's not even the person who started this "What's the deal with D&D fans and the US military?" discussion. Make fun of gradenko for getting a bit too  -y, but that post you quoted just looks like a joke that you're getting about by saying more antifa super soldiers will jump out of the bushes at any moment.Anonymous Zebra posted:It's also hilarious that goons of all people are trying to work up a storm because someone is funny looking. I've seen the goon selfie threads, no one here should be throwing stones on that front. I think this is the the kickstarter that's being talked about, which doesn't even look like it's live yet: https://www.backerkit.com/call_to_action/e374361b-500f-49d2-bfa7-8c2831e450ce/landing?ref=backerkit_marketing I don't know if there's really enough to go on as far as what's being appropriated. The art is very Miyazaki-esque and it looks like it'll involve a lot of cutesy spirits and creatures like you'd see in Spirited Away, Princess Mononoke, and Nausicaä, plus imagery from the 3D Zeldas. I feel like there's probably room to discuss how an artist like Hayao Miyazaki has influenced generations of people all over the world now, and the general mutual exchange of ideas from what influenced him and how those influences have moved out into the world. (Like just to start with, a number of movies his studio has made and many of which he directed are adaptions of Western fantasy stories.) A huge Nintendo property like Zelda even moreso. It's not something I feel comfortable giving a final opinion on but I'd love to see more perspectives. If it's actually directly lifting stuff from Japanese mythology, it'd definitely be nice to see people from a culture it pulls from working on the book. There's not enough public material for me to tell what's happening on that front though. Ultimately, it looks like a book with fantastic art that's for a game with a tone and goals that are most unsuitable for actually telling stories of compassion, kindness, redemption, and naturalism that most Studio Ghibli works are rooted in. Zelda sure fits better in the "kill things in dungeon, get treasure" game expectations, but I'm not really sure what distinct influences it's pulling from there. Nuns with Guns fucked around with this message at 20:10 on Jul 5, 2023 |
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TheDiceMustRoll posted:This thread was having a massive circlejerk about how acab also applies to the military and flipping out about some military dude winning an ennie or something not too long ago, so I'd wager that's the reason his service was brought up. I could be wrong idk IIRC that guy was a career officer involved in drone bombings. That said, the thread definitely did have multiple people saying that anyone who enlisted in the military was complicit in all its evils, so yeah, probably.
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Leperflesh posted:I see the nazi filter as similar to a spam filter; I have to set my email provider's spam filter to like 6 or 7, or it's too aggressive and rejects emails from my stepmom. There's no way anyone can program a filter to detect hate speech (or any other broad category of speech) that won't either make lots of false negatives or lots of false positives, and most will do both. Not that different from the child protection filters that e.g. prohibit discussion of breast feeding or recipes for grilled chicken breast or mention of the olympic 100m breaststroke event. The crux of the issue was the original post implied that it wasn't worth the effort to create and enforce a policy that once nazis were identified, they would be banned, not whether AI was going to save us from hatespeech.
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That is not my reading of moths or anyone else's posts, but I may have missed something.
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Zurai posted:IIRC that guy was a career officer involved in drone bombings. That said, the thread definitely did have multiple people saying that anyone who enlisted in the military was complicit in all its evils, so yeah, probably. It's a circlejerk when I disagree with it but it's a lively debate when I agree with it  Edit: ^^^ that's a very generous reading Ominous Jazz fucked around with this message at 20:39 on Jul 5, 2023 |
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People have been trained to see someone say "nazis have a right to social media!" and will mentally fill in gaps to satisfy that expectation. A nazi filter is a better tool for minimizing a site's nazi problem than trying to play whack-a-mole and banning each while when you've also got a revolving door account policy. Ban where you can, but a more effective process involves a multi-pronged approach which includes filters and fostering the gently caress out of the perception that your site isn't a safe space for nazis. Banning leads to that perception, but if that's the absolute extent of consequence? "Nazis go on a by-default ignored list which we'll enthusiastically share with authorities" is a dissuasion tool. "Nazis will be temporarily inconvenienced until they use another Hotmail login" is another, sure. I mean, I don't think anybody's innovating to make the world a better place here - It's team Jack Dorsey. But the idea of automatically winnowing down your toxic elements' platforming seems like a more permanent step than just banning and acting surprised when they return. I'm also in a bad headspace this week, and I feel like I'm doing a pretty ok job of describing this and not getting baited by some obviously dogshit snipes. Maybe I'm not though, so gently caress me I guess.
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I genuinely had already set aside the military part because I figured the point was just "Hey, found another white guy that has the fortune cookie font on his copy of Adobe InDesign!"
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moths posted:People have been trained to see someone say "nazis have a right to social media!" and will mentally fill in gaps to satisfy that expectation. Logging in with a new Hotmail account would also temporarily avoid the ignore list, they can just keep making new accounts to use. So may as well just loving ban them.
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I was active duty from the mid-80s to the mid-90s (ten years) as enlisted, and the amount of gamers was staggering even then. In the late-80s the Pope Rec Center on Pope Air Force Base, next to Fort Liberty (then Bragg) would have three or four campaigns running simultaneously with Army, Air Force, and DoD Civilians playing and running, No LARPing or furries, at that time though. When I got to Fort Lewis it was pretty much they same. I could always find a game if I wasn't on deployment. Now Joe Mustache there, is USAF SIGINT, and they are all broken in the head.
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Kestral posted:It distracted from the dumb mustache because you were trying to rally support by calling him a member of a "caste" that you don't like. Not an unreasonable play given that we have people around here who will fly into a frothing rage at the mere concept of the military, but it didn't work out this time - turns out there's a lot of veterans who play traditional games! Don't worry, reinforcements will arrive eventually.
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moths posted:People have been trained to see someone say "nazis have a right to social media!" and will mentally fill in gaps to satisfy that expectation. I don't see how being flagged as "catch-able in the hate speech spam filters" is any better of a deterrent than banning. Lists can be kept and maintained if accounts are active or not. And there's also plenty of ways to link alt accounts up, if they care to do that. Yes, if a person is banned and they want to fly completely under the radar they could turn on a VPN, register under a fresh email, and make sure not to link anything else associated with their old banned account like their phone number, and otherwise completely cover their tracks. But the sort of people you'd be "deplatforming" with a ban aren't the people who want to vanish like that. They want a visible platform and that requires being open about who they are, either as a public figure or under some recognizable internet handle. In fact, I'm sure most social media sites do maintain some tracking system of current and potential hate groups already. They just don't act on those lists without a law enforcement subpoena, or a case where something has been flagged as a serious enough threat to public safety/company optics. What a spam filter offers that a ban doesn't is the ability to farm that account out in various ways. People tracking it, particularly for a politician or major talking head, linking quotes from it that people click through to the rest of the website. Plus page views, advertising potential, the overall visibility of being a right wing hate monger with 100k, 500k, 1 million+ followers even if that's still just a fraction of the userbase. It's enough to promote your own projects, platform other people, or direct your followers to mob targets of your choice on the website. A filter also affords the option to game the filters. There's been plenty of instances of people setting up auto-blocking systems on twitter that were meant to block reactionary accounts that have been poisoned by trolls reporting queer or BIPOC users to add them to the auto-blocking lists. You can get similar issues with people mass reporting accounts, tripping an auto ban, but at least a ban is publicly visible to everyone fairly easily. I doubt they'd make it clear that someone's on the "hate filter" list, or make it very easy to dispute.
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Slightly off topic but it seems like a lot of people try to write mass battle rules for TTRPGS Has anyone here EVER ran it before? How'd it go?
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I imagine a lot of people's problems with the military domestically is the crippling victim complex that makes them talk about how unpopular and hated they are during a conversation that universally agreed being in the military is fine. I imagine a lot of people's problems with the military internationally is that a pasty geek 5 miles away ordered a robot to slaughter their family, and it did.
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TheDiceMustRoll posted:Commenting on people's looks in general is pretty childish and distasteful, there's no real way to do it and come out looking like a winner and it usually gives ammo to the people you're attacking. Doubly so in any rpg space where most people in it have body image issues and various traumas related to that. Billy the Nazi RPG writer isn't bad because he's an overweight guy who smells like mold, he's bad because he's a loving nazi and that would still be true if he looked like Henry Cavil. Okay but you understand the difference between mocking somebody's body and mocking their decision to actively cultivate a stupid moustache, right? The bit of his look he's being mocked for isn't the consequence of neglect or misfortune, it's the consequence of putting time and effort into looking like Lord Chomnodley Cogsbottom III, same as if we were mocking him for wearing an ahegao shirt.
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It's a gordito-level moustache http://drmcninja.com/archives/comic/3p45/
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Whybird posted:Okay but you understand the difference between mocking somebody's body and mocking their decision to actively cultivate a stupid moustache, right? The bit of his look he's being mocked for isn't the consequence of neglect or misfortune, it's the consequence of putting time and effort into looking like Lord Chomnodley Cogsbottom III, same as if we were mocking him for wearing an ahegao shirt. dorsnt really track for me how wearing cropped porn is even comparable to uh...personal grooming but i guess just roll with it. 
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It's a slightly dorky, dated facial hair style that's mostly negative due to stereotypes people associate with someone who cultivates a silly mustache, like when a guy take a picture of himself wearing a fedora. It's really not that deep or cruel to mock, it's just a shallow dig at the guy.
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TheDiceMustRoll posted:Commenting on people's looks in general is pretty childish and distasteful, there's no real way to do it and come out looking like a winner and it usually gives ammo to the people you're attacking. Doubly so in any rpg space where most people in it have body image issues and various traumas related to that. Billy the Nazi RPG writer isn't bad because he's an overweight guy who smells like mold, he's bad because he's a loving nazi and that would still be true if he looked like Henry Cavil. Careful in your glass house, bigot. TheDiceMustRoll posted:
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