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My wife's '08 Highlander fell apart pretty loving hard at 120k miles so I'm fairly skeptical about Toyota's reputation. Unless "lasts forever" has a few asterisks to cover AC and engine mount replacements.
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priznat posted:I think Toyota appeals to a fairly massive segment of people who would just never bother considering having a look at another automaker. It’s not brand loyalty per se they just give so little fucks about their car other than the assumption that it will be reliable. Actually this is probably correct, at some point before he bought it he asked me for advice about buying a new car because he knows I am generally not an idiot about such things and he was thinking about a Hybrid and knew I was on my second EV. Our conversation basically started and ended with "Well, I'm going to buy a Toyota..." OK, that leaves zero options and you live 4 miles from our office so I guess go to the Toyota store and order One (1) Toyota. He also really wanted a forward facing parking camera and seemed weirdly confident that this was likely an option on a poverty spec Toyota. Three Olives fucked around with this message at 04:20 on Jul 6, 2023 |
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Sounds like his needs would have been suited by a Chevrolet Bolt EUV.
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Having grown up with my parents owning powerful but deeply unreliable German cars for most of my childhood, I definitely bought a Honda civic as my first car out of college out of desire for something incredibly boring. It served its purpose faithfully for 10 years without a single issue and only routine maintenance.
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Three Olives posted:Actually this is probably correct, at some point before he bought it he asked me for advice about buying a new car because he knows I am generally not an idiot about such things and he was thinking about a Hybrid and knew I was on my second EV. If the dude wants a Toyota, tell him to sell the rav4 & get a Supra/gr corolla/86. They rip. Toyota makes 3 of the best reasonably priced sports cars on the market and come in good colors.
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I hate myself for liking the GR Corolla as much as I do.
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Three Olives posted:I honestly had no idea that Rav4s were so loving popular until he told me how difficult it was for him to get his hands on. That is what you spent two months trying to buy? There is like a massive addressable market that is like "Yeah, the Hyundai Tucson is just too flashy for me, do you have anything with cloth seats of circa 2000 fleet F-150? Many, many people see cars as appliances, and a Toyota RAV-4 is a solid appliance.
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GM released their Q2 EV sales numbers… not great. 13959 Bolts (33659 YTD) 1348 Lyriq (2316 YTD) 47 Hummer EV (49 YTD)
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Link is paywalled but the Chinese government has basically ordered Tesla and local competitors to cease their price war. Which seems… bad for consumers? Tesla and Chinese rivals signal EV price war truce in ‘socialist values’ pledge https://on.ft.com/3D2JI2g
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borkencode posted:GM released their Q2 EV sales numbers… not great. Good thing they uhh... killed off the Bolt.
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mobby_6kl posted:Good thing they uhh... killed off the Bolt. I guess this story would make more sense if it were accompanied by a per-unit profit margin. I heard the Bolt was still negative.
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Vegetable posted:Link is paywalled but the Chinese government has basically ordered Tesla and local competitors to cease their price war. Which seems… bad for consumers? lmao I want to see Elon Musk's signature on a Socialist Values Pledge
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mobby_6kl posted:Good thing they uhh... killed off the Bolt. cruft posted:I guess this story would make more sense if it were accompanied by a per-unit profit margin. I heard the Bolt was still negative. Barra has all but come out and said that there’s an Ultium Bolt successor coming that’s supposed to be like 40% cheaper to make or something like that
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Three Olives posted:I've wanted a dashcam for quite awhile but resisted so far given how the options are generally horribly tacky or require pulling down roof trim and snaking power around jankily for a "professional installation" so I have been eying the FiTCAMX but apparently, ironically, there were fit issues with the first version, so just pulled the trigger on the updated one: I have this same one, and it was a bit difficult to install (mainly disconnecting the wire to Y into, which looked so easy in their video). I got the rear camera option and the wire is like 27 feet long?? I can't hide all of that in the paneling! I've contacted them but haven't heard back, maybe they have a shorter wire they can send me. It's also kind of annoying to connect to with the bluetooth/carplay interfering with the wifi connection.
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Squirrels2Nuts posted:I have this same one, and it was a bit difficult to install (mainly disconnecting the wire to Y into, which looked so easy in their video). I got the rear camera option and the wire is like 27 feet long?? I can't hide all of that in the paneling! I've contacted them but haven't heard back, maybe they have a shorter wire they can send me. Didn't get the rear camera, it didn't seem worth it given the wiring pain and fault is generally much easier to show when you are re-ended with just with a front camera, I think that you just have to show there was a genuine hazard that you were exercising prudent care (e.g. not slamming on your brakes in the middle of the freeway for no reason.) The Y-cable did not just pop out, but I saw a suggestion to use needle nose pliers and it popped out with relative easy. Agree on the Carplay issue but I really don't see myself extracting video from it very often, there have just been some things that I wish I had video of like a hook and ladder truck jackknifing on highway ice across three lanes, missing every car and somehow completely recovering. God I wish I had video of that, it looked like a loving miracle.
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Three Olives posted:The Y-cable did not just pop out, but I saw a suggestion to use needle nose pliers and it popped out with relative easy. I had to do this installing the kit for the Polestar 2 and accidentally nicked the insulation on one of the wires when the pliers slipped. Didn't sever it, fortunately, because I got it right next to the connector. You get a way better angle on the connector from the passenger seat. At least on the Polestar 2 hiding the wires for the rear camera was super simple. The headliner and fabricy extensions are in pretty tight but if you give them more force than feels comfortable you can pull them away for plenty of room to tuck the wire.
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Fitcam x camera was an absolute bitch and a half to install in an ID.4 because of that one little wire that needed to be disconnected. You have so little room for any leverage. Had me outside sweating for a full 45 minutes.
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I ended up pushing the tab in with a tool on my swiss army knife, but I too was sweatin it out in there with the power off, worried i was gonna gently caress up something! Agreed on the passenger seat angling. I've realised I can mount the rear camera up front to point at the backseat, should I ever get my brand new car safety-certified enough for uber's likings. But the original intent was for rear-endings. It wasn't too hard to hide, it slipped up toward the back under the paneling and to the side, sight unseen. It's just there's too much of it to hide! The manufacturer seems to be co-operating with sending an appropriate length wire for a rear-mount, though. Squirrels2Nuts fucked around with this message at 04:17 on Jul 7, 2023 |
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I've been really unimpressed with the Toyotas I've had as rentals recently, interiors and infotainment compare disfavorably to my 2017 Leaf, and the transmission shift points, or "shift points" in the Corolla's case, are loving awful, you hammer the gas, and the engine just sits there for several seconds, calculating the optimal fuel-air ratio for economy or whatever, then the car finally decides to accelerate. Very unpleasant driving experience, even compared to my GF's old 2012 RAV. That includes a TRD Off-Road Tacoma, with, I think, the six-speed, and towards the top end of the trim range.
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Elviscat posted:I've been really unimpressed with the Toyotas I've had as rentals recently, interiors and infotainment compare disfavorably to my 2017 Leaf, and the transmission shift points, or "shift points" in the Corolla's case, are loving awful, you hammer the gas, and the engine just sits there for several seconds, calculating the optimal fuel-air ratio for economy or whatever, then the car finally decides to accelerate. Very unpleasant driving experience, even compared to my GF's old 2012 RAV. yeah that outgoing Tacoma V6 is really only good for longevity (relatively speaking). Excited to see how the incoming turbo 4-cylinders are by comparison. The torque numbers are already fairly optimism-encouraging
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Silly Burrito posted:More of a general automotive question but how long do wraps last? I agree with getting the color you want, but if they’re all some boring shade of white or gray, how long do wraps last and what’s a ballpark figure for getting it done? Depends on the vinyl used. 3M tends to the be standard (and most expensive) and is UV resistant to a better degree. Cheap vinyl a couple of years and couple of hundred to do, up to a few thousand for a good 3M full car wrap taking care to remove trim to make it as tidy as possible and also with printing if you want a custom graphic (more resonable just for a standard colour and doing it yourself). Cheap vinyl has downsides in being not easy to work with as well.
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CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:Depends on the vinyl used. 3M tends to the be standard (and most expensive) and is UV resistant to a better degree. Cheap vinyl a couple of years and couple of hundred to do, up to a few thousand for a good 3M full car wrap taking care to remove trim to make it as tidy as possible and also with printing if you want a custom graphic (more resonable just for a standard colour and doing it yourself). Cheap vinyl has downsides in being not easy to work with as well. Thanks. A lot of people talk about it in this thread but I’ve never known how expensive it was to do.
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Elviscat posted:I've been really unimpressed with the Toyotas I've had as rentals recently, interiors and infotainment compare disfavorably to my 2017 Leaf, and the transmission shift points, or "shift points" in the Corolla's case, are loving awful, you hammer the gas, and the engine just sits there for several seconds, calculating the optimal fuel-air ratio for economy or whatever, then the car finally decides to accelerate. Very unpleasant driving experience, even compared to my GF's old 2012 RAV. When a coworker got a new 4Runner she said it felt straight-up dangerous on on-ramps.
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As a datapoint, we paid $4800 for a full Avery wrap + ceramic (ceramic on wheels and brakes too) including door jambs and a few other optional spots. That was about 6 years ago and it's still holding up except for minor bubbles on a couple of the tighter and more complex areas. This was on a 996TT so it was a nightmare of doing every louver and trim bit that definitely added time and cost.
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Mercedes-Benz has announced they're also adopting NACS https://media.mercedes-benz.com/article/00f3592a-3026-4dbf-b779-d8780e3099bc who's next? I'm thinking Hyundai/Kia will switch soon.
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List for who hasn't is shorter and more useful. Doubt anyone will hold against it at this point. 3 years from now all new EVs will be NACS.
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Has Toyota announced a switch yet? My bet is between them and Volkswagen being the last holdouts. Toyota's just been so far behind anything EV at this point I imagine they won't announce a switch until 2025, with the actual production not being until fuckin' 2030 or something equally dumb.
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Toyota's current strategy is to promise fantastical technology that you should totally hold out for and buy their ICE vehicles until the magic solid state battery comes out in 5 years. So kinda irrelevant? They have one vehicle with fast charging.
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Toyota has such few EVs that it would presumably be easier, not harder, to switch their charging standard.
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Kia Soul Enthusias posted:Toyota's current strategy is to promise fantastical technology that you should totally hold out for and buy their ICE vehicles until the magic solid state battery comes out in 5 years. So kinda irrelevant? They have one vehicle with fast charging. It’s definitely less abrasive than insisting people secretly don’t want EVs.
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Also there’s a 2022 V60 PHEV Polestar with 11k miles near me 
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Wizard of the Deep posted:Has Toyota announced a switch yet? A switch to what? Does Toyota have a viable EV on the market that I missed since they pulled their wheels-fall-off car with the word salad name? FWIW VW owns Electrify America, so I’d reckon they can see the writing on the wall at least as well as anybody else
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Tiny Timbs posted:Also there’s a 2022 V60 PHEV Polestar with 11k miles near me Hell yeah but it is the one with the supercharger + turbo which frankly is a little scary (I think they went to turbo only in 2023)
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I keep seeing articles from, like, a week ago, saying that VW is in talks with Tesla about charging. I dunno if this means NACS adoption, but presumably they wouldn't bother talking unless Superchargers were involved.
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I wish they would also purchase charging equipment from them. Can we just turn tesla into a batteries and motors and charging equipment company?
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Here's a write up about EV sales in the US, https://www.cnbc.com/2023/07/07/ev-sales-hyundai-overtakes-gm-but-teslas-us-dominance-continues.html Hyundai has surprising squeaked ahead of GM to the #2 position, despite not qualifying for the $7500 fed rebate. They do qualify if leased though, and are apparently leasing 30% of sales. Tesla's market share has dropped 10 percentage points, but they still command 60% of the market.
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borkencode posted:Here's a write up about EV sales in the US, https://www.cnbc.com/2023/07/07/ev-sales-hyundai-overtakes-gm-but-teslas-us-dominance-continues.html dropped 10p but still had their best selling quarter ever good to see the market growing
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Lol the EA is so awful all the manufactures decided to switch to NACS
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Switching to NACS doesn't mean they're getting away from EA. Supercharger compatibility still requires a deal with Tesla.
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EA's basically set up to switch to NACS now, just replace one of the two redundant CCS cables on each charger with a NACS one and continue on.
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