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Judge Schnoopy posted:If the goal is "win fast" just give them air superiority. That's the missing key to total victory. gently caress making Ukraine march through artillery fire when there's a better way. Well, they are getting F-16s..at some point...training hasn't even started yet. The goal is indeed win fast, but there's a poo poo ton of bureaucratic red tape that has to be navigated and you can't really cut through it. It sucks and F-16s should've been given a long time ago, but the next best time is now. And they're doing it..if not slower than everyone would like. The problem with "just giving air superiority" is that it's not as simple as just handing over planes. You have to: A) Train the pilots B) Train the ground crews C) Establish logistics chains for support and maintenance D) Make sure the newly given F-16s aren't immediately blasted out of the air by Russian air defense, which is the number one thing keeping Ukraine from getting air superiority at the moment That stuff is a lot of hard work and it takes time, another reason it should have been started long ago. But we'll likely see F-16s flying in Ukrainian skies by the end of the year. e: ukraine should be allowed into nato as soon as possible  HonorableTB fucked around with this message at 04:25 on Jul 6, 2023 |
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HonorableTB posted:Well, they are getting F-16s..at some point...training hasn't even started yet. The goal is indeed win fast, but there's a poo poo ton of bureaucratic red tape that has to be navigated and you can't really cut through it. It sucks and F-16s should've been given a long time ago, but the next best time is now. And they're doing it..if not slower than everyone would like. Russia is losing 2-3 air defense systems on most days in theater. If Ukraine keeps up this pace, and encourages their enemy to disperse their TELs on the home front rather than on the battlefront, the necessary conditions can be achieved.
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Jul 6, 2023 04:25
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https://twitter.com/BrynnTannehill/status/1676586485808611328 Good thread on Ukraine's current tactics and exploiting holes in Russian logistics and planning.
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Jul 6, 2023 04:33
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CommieGIR posted:But it won't kill any Turks? That's nobody's business but the Turks!
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Jul 6, 2023 04:36
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That's a bigass explosion. Probably could have been avoided if they just did the One Weird Trick of "putting the ammo inside of the building" instead of just leaving it outside.
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Jul 6, 2023 04:53
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Toxic Mental posted:That's a bigass explosion. Probably could have been avoided if they just did the One Weird Trick of "putting the ammo inside of the building" instead of just leaving it outside. the buildings were all half constructed so it wouldn't have mattered anyway lmao, ukraine would've just been able to lob a HIMARS or drone at it anyway. Ever play GTA Vice City and do the RC helicopter mission where you place demolition charges in a building? like that
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Jul 6, 2023 04:54
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Yeah but I mean they were probably spotted in the first place because they decided to put them in a big courtyard instead of under cover, which is pretty funny for how short sighted and lazy it is
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Jul 6, 2023 04:59
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I feel like there's a multifaceted reason as to why Ukraine is accurately blocking Russian ammo depots. Partly I believe it is due to Russian intelligence but also I think it is part of the CIA bragging about how easy it is to recruit Russian spies in the federation. And part of that gives them a lovely wealth of knowledge as to where these shells and everything are going and what routes are being run. I mean the US government has satellites that can recognize people's faces from loving orbit it's not hard to track ammunition centers and where they are going. Also the Russian informants can very simply just tell the US which loving buildings they are in and then you crane can be told of this and then bomb them very accurately. Or it's drones too. Like I said I think it's multifaceted and I think drones are going to get you pretty far informants are going to get you farther but all of these things combined are going to get you to the point where you're popping 9 ammunition depots a day.
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Jul 6, 2023 05:00
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Toxic Mental posted:Yeah but I mean they were probably spotted in the first place because they decided to put them in a big courtyard instead of under cover, which is pretty funny for how short sighted and lazy it is hah yeah, ukraine watched them for a week loading up all the missiles in the courtyard, then reached out to touch them.
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Jul 6, 2023 05:00
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Guys I think this war might have been started for the wrong reasons Special Military Operation Bad?
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Jul 6, 2023 05:06
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https://twitter.com/kvistp/status/1676574047109279744?s=20 Russian torture rooms found in liberated Zaporizhzhian village
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Jul 6, 2023 05:13
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zone posted:https://twitter.com/BrynnTannehill/status/1676586485808611328 Since the thread still isn't visible without an account, what is the theory?
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Jul 6, 2023 05:21
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Killer robot posted:Since the thread still isn't visible without an account, what is the theory? Ukraine altered their tactics to take advantage of the long supply line for ammo stored way in the rear outside of HIMARS range. Probe Russians to contact, stop, hunker down and wait for them to blow their artillery load everywhere. Then pick up the attack again and bring the armor up when the Russian artillery has to truck in more ammo from 50 miles away. To combat this Russia started bringing ammo dumps back closer to the front, and then they’re subsequently being blown up.
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Jul 6, 2023 05:25
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Killer robot posted:Since the thread still isn't visible without an account, what is the theory? tl;dr when Ukraine first got hold of HIMARS and started demolishing ammo and supply depots, the response was to move them out of GMLRS range. Then Ukraine started exploiting the long supply trips that were needed to get the ammo to the front, using bite and hold and artillery counterbattery tactics. In response, Russia started bringing ammo closer to the front, in somewhat smaller amounts this time. However these are now very accurately identified by both theater and field level intelligence resources now, which is why there's a lot of drone missions being recorded where drones are used to blow up field ammo depots. Essentially Ukraine is exploiting Russia's own tactics against them, and doing so very well.
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Jul 6, 2023 05:30
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The tldr is that ukraine is vaporizing ammo dumps no matter where they are because the russians are constantly being forced to respond to ukraine's actions instead of the opposite https://twitter.com/nexta_tv/status/1676563010192547841?s=20
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Jul 6, 2023 05:56
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I see Sgt. Chowdown got a promotion.  2 a legend
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Jul 6, 2023 06:08
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Ukraine has penetrated 1KM deep into bakhmut and now has the city outskirts under control on the west side of the H-32 hwy. This gives them fire control over a good portion of the city. So let's recap. In less than 8 weeks (nebulous timeline) bakhmut has been captured by Russia and 100,000 have died. Doing so the capture part taking 8 months. Just for Ukraine to regain control of the flanks and have the cirt under tactical siege. Also lol at the office purges that's always a good thing for Russia and definitely won't get hundreds of thousands killed WAR CRIME GIGOLO fucked around with this message at 06:13 on Jul 6, 2023 |
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Jul 6, 2023 06:09
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McGavin posted:I see Sgt. Chowdown got a promotion. How dare you! Sgt Chowdown is an American legend 
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Jul 6, 2023 06:16
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I literally ate a Costco glizzy today. Ketchup and relish. Sometimes I like to just go back to the basics.
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Jul 6, 2023 06:21
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I saw a guy wearing a Sgt Chowdown shirt at Fred Meyer the other day and nearly died laughing, now I want one too e: hahaha score  
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Jul 6, 2023 06:21
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Killer robot posted:Since the thread still isn't visible without an account, what is the theory? who knows its another person that thinks making 30 twitter posts is better than writing an article or something
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Jul 6, 2023 06:29
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That's top tier, right up with the guy in a respirator mask during peak covid wearing a bigfoot t-shirt with "social distancing champion"
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Jul 6, 2023 06:29
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:I mean the US government has satellites that can recognize people's faces from loving orbit Where are you getting this wisdom? There's a limit to optical resolution. It's called the diffraction limit. It's literally physically impossible. Given the size of the mirror (same as hubble) and atmospheric turbulence the best they can do is a 10cm resolution. https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2019/09/us-spy-satellites-at-diffraction-limit-for-resolution-since-1971.html
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Jul 6, 2023 06:37
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spankmeister posted:Where are you getting this wisdom? There's a limit to optical resolution. It's called the diffraction limit. It's literally physically impossible. Well the best we know about right now thanks to trump is that we can resolve images down to a resolution of 10 centimeters lol. Who knows what we have that hasn't been leaked? I can't easily believe that we haven't overcome that technical limitation in 52 years
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Jul 6, 2023 06:39
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you can gently caress w this in microscopy https://www.nature.com/articles/nphoton.2009.100 i dunno if theres methods, cladestine or not, that are good for satellite imaging tho
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Jul 6, 2023 06:40
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HonorableTB posted:Well the best we know about right now thanks to trump is that we can resolve images down to a resolution of 10 centimeters lol. Who knows what we have that hasn't been leaked Physics. There's a literal physical limit to this.
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Jul 6, 2023 06:41
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they gave stefan hell, the main pi behind this poo poo, a random rear end professorship in astronomy despite all his poo poo being microscopy, looks like here
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Jul 6, 2023 06:45
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Maybe they have satellites now that have bigger mirrors. That's what's needed to increase resolution. There's only finite room in a rocket though so you'd need a fold out mirror of some kind. Perhaps if James Webb wasn't the first to do this and the technology was developed and deployed in secret it might be possible. We have zero evidence of those existing though, and WAR CRIME GIGOLO was very confident in their statements, hence my question.
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Jul 6, 2023 06:47
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don't worry we can use AI to yell "ENHANCE" at the image's artifacts and it absolutely will increase the resolution accurately and not simply guess that everyone is a somewhat homely white guy
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Jul 6, 2023 06:48
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spankmeister posted:Physics. There's a literal physical limit to this. you can overcome it if you build poo poo outside the assumptions in the model eg, superlenses for microscopy https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.1108759 I wouldn't be surprised if stacking multiple images and a shitload of math could significantly reduce atmospheric turbulence either
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Jul 6, 2023 06:49
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We've gotten a little better at dealing with turbulence and related issues in the last half century. I don't know how much better but more than nothing.
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Jul 6, 2023 06:51
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spankmeister posted:Maybe they have satellites now that have bigger mirrors. That's what's needed to increase resolution. There's only finite room in a rocket though so you'd need a fold out mirror of some kind. Perhaps if James Webb wasn't the first to do this and the technology was developed and deployed in secret it might be possible. We have zero evidence of those existing though, and WAR CRIME GIGOLO was very confident in their statements, hence my question. quote:Larger mirror would not have improved the resolution of Gambit-3, at its minimum altitude of 130 km. A larger mirror would only have been required if this distance were to be increased. The 2.4-meter, and the resolution limit imposed by atmospheric turbulence, it is reasonable to assume that the lowest altitude would be about the same as the present, 250 km. From the link you posted it sounds like bigger mirrors only increase resolution to the theoretical maximum from higher altitudes, is that the case? I'm no optical physicist, I'm ("clearly"  ) out of my depth here
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Jul 6, 2023 06:51
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  And on a more serious note, here's the explosives planted on top of ZNPP. https://twitter.com/IuliiaMendel/status/1676833357680766977?s=20 https://twitter.com/kromark/status/1676717259224408073?s=20 https://twitter.com/kromark/status/1676717262911205378?s=20 https://twitter.com/kromark/status/1676717266337947649?s=20 https://twitter.com/kromark/status/1676717268820979712?s=20 Polish Foreign Minister says if Russia sabotages the ZNPP then the alliance will respond with action: https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1676834066904018945?s=20 HonorableTB fucked around with this message at 07:04 on Jul 6, 2023 |
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Jul 6, 2023 07:01
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Disclaimer: I'm not a physicist, just a dude who reads stuff on the internet. I don't claim to hold any specific knowledge on satellites, optics, physics, etc.Tunicate posted:you can overcome it if you build poo poo outside the assumptions in the model quote:eg, superlenses for microscopy I think that only works for stuff really close to the lens? Could be wrong, maybe the evanescent waves they talk about make it a few hundred miles through the atmosphere and to the satellite. Doesn't seem very likely to me though. quote:I wouldn't be surprised if stacking multiple images and a shitload of math could significantly reduce atmospheric turbulence either This might work for static objects but that one dude's face you're trying to identify would have to be looking up standing still for quite a while I'd think. HonorableTB posted:From the link you posted it sounds like bigger mirrors only increase resolution to the theoretical maximum from higher altitudes, is that the case? I'm no optical physicist, I'm ("clearly" Yeah, that too. There's always a limit for a given distance, no matter the size. So even if you beat the turbulence there's still a limit. poo poo, people's ideas of spy satellites really got broken by Enemy of the State.
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Jul 6, 2023 07:24
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spankmeister posted:Sounds like magical thinking to me. they've built them, so it works. turns out light is more complicated than they believed in 1873
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Jul 6, 2023 07:28
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Tunicate posted:they've built them, so it works. turns out light is more complicated than they believed in 1873  You clearly also have no loving clue what you're talking about. You're talking about microscopes and the physical effects being utilized are only present very close to the object emanating them. Show me a source describing an application of your magic lenses in imaging further away than a few centimeters and we can continue this discussion.
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Jul 6, 2023 07:35
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Fellas, FELLAS Take it to the FUCKIN NERD thread
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Jul 6, 2023 07:37
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Tunicate posted:they've built them, so it works. turns out light is more complicated than they believed in 1873 they've built what, exactly? This isn't clear to me Toxic Mental posted:Fellas, FELLAS fellas?? NAFO spotted
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Jul 6, 2023 07:39
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near field dealios w better than diffraction limit resolutions. nowadays they have a half dozen ways
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The roof seems like a weird place to plant explosives
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