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What is the most powerful flying bug?
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🦋 15 3.71%
🦇 115 28.47%
🪰 12 2.97%
🐦 67 16.58%
dragonfly 94 23.27%
🦟 14 3.47%
🐝 87 21.53%
Total: 404 votes
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Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

Why would Europe blow up their own source of energy?

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aw frig aw dang it
Jun 1, 2018


hello

spacemang_spliff
Nov 29, 2014

wide pickle
France did it

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost

KomradeX posted:

Think about all the crying about chobam they'll be on the War Thunder Forums after what happens to every tank the Ukrianians have happens

Abrams and T-72 stans who always complain that when their favorite tank gets blown up in a war IRL, it's only because they didn't have the special domestic armor get so tedious. Even if it were (making up a number) just 20% better or something, so often a tank (IRL or in game) dies to just getting pasted in the side by some poo poo they never saw.

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

it was Norway and the USA. Norway was not in nato at the time but … now is ?? strange

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

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Nap Ghost

euphronius posted:

Norway was not in nato at the time but … now is ?? strange

I think you should double check this fact.

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

mlmp08 posted:

Abrams and T-72 stans who always complain that when their favorite tank gets blown up in a war IRL, it's only because they didn't have the special domestic armor get so tedious. Even if it were (making up a number) just 20% better or something, so often a tank (IRL or in game) dies to just getting pasted in the side by some poo poo they never saw.

What countries do you think blew up the nordstream pipeline?

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

You said Europe, but also minus Ireland so you clearly aren't talking about all of Europe.

aw frig aw dang it
Jun 1, 2018


oh wrong war thread

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe
can we get back majorian as thread pedant, at least he goodposts sometimes

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018


So the list of countries you think blew up the nordstream pipeline is this?

Albania
Andorra
Austria
Belarus
Belgium
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Bulgaria
Croatia
Cyprus
Czech
Denmark
European Union
Estonia
Finland
France
Germany
Greece
Hungary
Iceland
Italy
Latvia
Liechtenstein
Lithuania
Luxembourg
Malta
Moldova
Monaco
Montenegro
Netherlands
North Macedonia
Norway
Poland
Portugal
Romania
Russia
San Marino
Serbia
Slovakia
Slovenia
Spain
Sweden
Switzerland
Ukraine
United Kingdom
Russia
United States

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

mlmp08 posted:

I think you should double check this fact.

yeah got them confused with Finland

all those small little countries

who can remember

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

BearsBearsBears posted:

I doubt it, Leopard 1s are acknowledged as being old tanks. They were made before NATO figured out how to use composite armor so their design skimped on the armor in favor of speed since it was thought that you couldn't stop contemporary HEAT. I'm not sure if these ones were retrofitted with composite armor, NATO tends to be reluctant to do that for some reason.

I do think the UK is having the Challenger 2s held back for this reason. We haven't seen them on the battlefield yet. Those are modern "pride of the army" tanks.

Granted, I don’t know if the Leo1s being death traps is a reason to hold them back, they may be waiting for enough volunteers to get trained to actually use them. That said, it is essentially upgraded APC equivalent armor.

The West has composite armor, most of their tanks now have it, it was just they were ironically behind the Soviets quite a bit and the West hasn’t adopted ERA to the same degree either.

They may be holding them back for a variety of reasons, it may be a training issue, a ammo issue (remember that radioactive depot, or simply they may not want to keep them taken out as easily as some Leo2s (they will probably far as poorly or worse).

That said, the Ukrainians are going to need some forces with training and equipment at a certain point their current force being eaten by attrition and the conscripts are just there as padding.

KomradeX
Oct 29, 2011

SplitSoul posted:

They're saying it's taking longer to refurbish them than expected, they were supposed to be delivered months ago in time for the spring offensive, but will possibly be delivered sometime this month maybe.

Just in time since the Spring Offensive is now the Mid-summer Offensive

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

so Norway / USA operation ordered by Biden

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost

AnimeIsTrash posted:

So the list of countries you think blew up the nordstream pipeline is this?

Albania
Andorra
Austria
Belarus
Belgium
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Bulgaria
Croatia
Cyprus
Czech
Denmark
European Union
Estonia
Finland
France
Germany
Greece
Hungary
Iceland
Italy
Latvia
Liechtenstein
Lithuania
Luxembourg
Malta
Moldova
Monaco
Montenegro
Netherlands
North Macedonia
Norway
Poland
Portugal
Romania
Russia
San Marino
Serbia
Slovakia
Slovenia
Spain
Sweden
Switzerland
Ukraine
United Kingdom
Russia
United States

Today you can eliminate Cyprus from the list. Maybe I'll post a country per week and by next year we can really get it down to short list of suspects. But your list is already bad, cause I said I don't think Belarus did it.

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

KomradeX posted:

Thats all he loving hiis posting is, it's loving tedious

You can't really win vs him because he has 2 styles of argument:

1) He'll focus on something really specific in your post e.g. you say "a lot" or "a few" instead of a specific number, and then he'll respond with something hyperbolic and that is what you end up arguing about.

2) He won't give you an answer because you're "acting in bad faith".

BearsBearsBears
Aug 4, 2022

mlmp08 posted:

I don't think anyone's going to take it seriously if the IAEA says "I heard explosions, and I know they were Russian explosions because of my special ears."
Everybody in the West(this thread excepted) would believe them if they said it was Russia. Ukrainian civilians being interviewed usually know where the shells are coming from but maybe they're just built different.

mlmp08 posted:

They didn't specify the sensor specifically by name, but satellite is a reasonable inference, either from detection of fires or just having imagery of artillery in/among ZNPP.
The only image I've managed to find shows single truck that may be a B-21 Grad. If the US has satellite images then they can release those images so we can examine them. They've previously released satellite images of this war so it can't be holding back images because of technical capabilities. The US has the most advanced satellites in the world but their ability to determine what those satellites are showing is incredibly poor.

BearsBearsBears has issued a correction as of 16:02 on Jul 6, 2023

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

mlmp08 posted:

Today you can eliminate Cyprus from the list. Maybe I'll post a country per week and by next year we can really get it down to short list of suspects. But your list is already bad, cause I said I don't think Belarus did it.

So this is the list of countries you think blew up the nordstream pipeline?
Albania
Andorra
Austria
Belgium
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Bulgaria
Croatia
Czech
Denmark
European Union
Estonia
Finland
France
Germany
Greece
Hungary
Iceland
Italy
Latvia
Liechtenstein
Lithuania
Luxembourg
Malta
Moldova
Monaco
Montenegro
Netherlands
North Macedonia
Norway
Poland
Portugal
Romania
Russia
San Marino
Serbia
Slovakia
Slovenia
Spain
Sweden
Switzerland
Ukraine
United Kingdom
Russia
United States

boo boo bear
Oct 1, 2009

I'm COMPLETELY OBSESSED with SEXY EGGS

AnimeIsTrash posted:

this is the list of countries you think blew up the nordstream pipeline...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x88Z5txBc7w

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

mlmp08 posted:

Summarized version since you are behaving as if this isn't extremely well trodden, tired territory:

A bunch of different European countries to include Russia and Ukraine could have done it. I think Ireland is def innocent, though. And I really don't think Belarus did it.
USA

I doubt anyone else other than a European country or the USA did it.

Just to be clear, Cyprus wasn't on your list of "didn't do it" originally.

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

Ardennes posted:

Granted, I don’t know if the Leo1s being death traps is a reason to hold them back, they may be waiting for enough volunteers to get trained to actually use them. That said, it is essentially upgraded APC equivalent armor.

The West has composite armor, most of their tanks now have it, it was just they were ironically behind the Soviets quite a bit and the West hasn’t adopted ERA to the same degree either.

They may be holding them back for a variety of reasons, it may be a training issue, a ammo issue (remember that radioactive depot, or simply they may not want to keep them taken out as easily as some Leo2s (they will probably far as poorly or worse).

That said, the Ukrainians are going to need some forces with training and equipment at a certain point their current force being eaten by attrition and the conscripts are just there as padding.

Article said they were only able to deliver enough for training purposes. I can't remember the exact number promised, but it was a sizable amount.

Edit: Here's a statement from the MoD

https://www-fmn-dk.translate.goog/d...&_x_tr_pto=wapp

SplitSoul has issued a correction as of 15:57 on Jul 6, 2023

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
quote this post if the country that you think blew up Nordstream is on the list below

Afghanistan
Albania
Algeria
Andorra
Angola
Antigua and Barbuda
Argentina
Armenia
Australia
Austria
Azerbaijan
Bahamas
Bahrain
Bangladesh
Barbados
Belarus
Belgium
Belize
Benin
Bhutan
Bolivia
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Botswana
Brazil
Brunei Darussalam
Bulgaria
Burkina Faso
Burundi
Cambodia
Cameroon
Canada
Cape Verde
Central African Republic
Chad
Chile
China
Colombia
Comoros
Congo (Republic of the)
Costa Rica
Côte d’Ivoire
Croatia [3]
Cuba
Cyprus
Czechia (Czech Republic)
Democratic People’s Republic of Korea
Democratic Republic of the Congo
Denmark
Djibouti
Dominica
Dominican Republic
Ecuador
Egypt
El Salvador
Equatorial Guinea
Eritrea
Estonia
Ethiopia
Fiji
Finland
France
Gabon
Gambia
Georgia
Germany
Ghana
Greece
Grenada
Guatemala
Guinea
Guinea-Bissau
Guyana
Haiti
Honduras
Hungary
Iceland
India
Indonesia
Iran
Iraq
Ireland
Israel
Italy
Jamaica
Japan
Jordan
Kazakhstan
Kenya
Kiribati
Kuwait
Kyrgyzstan
Lao People’s Democratic Republic
Latvia
Lebanon
Lesotho
Liberia
Libya
Liechtenstein
Lithuania
Luxembourg
Madagascar
Malawi
Malaysia
Maldives
Mali
Malta
Marshall Islands
Mauritania
Mauritius
Mexico
Micronesia (Federated States of)
Monaco
Mongolia
Montenegro
Morocco
Mozambique
Myanmar
Namibia
Nauru
Nepal
Netherlands
New Zealand
Nicaragua
Niger
Nigeria
Norway
Oman
Pakistan
Palau
Panama
Papua New Guinea
Paraguay
Peru
Philippines
Poland
Portugal
Qatar
Republic of Korea
Republic of Moldova
Romania
Russian Federation
Rwanda
Saint Kitts and Nevis
Saint Lucia
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines
Samoa
San Marino
Sao Tome and Principe
Saudi Arabia
Senegal
Serbia
Seychelles
Sierra Leone
Singapore
Slovakia
Slovenia
Solomon Islands
Somalia
South Africa
South Sudan
Spain
Sri Lanka
Sudan
Suriname
Swaziland
Switzerland
Sweden
Syria
Tajikistan
Thailand
The former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia
Timor Leste
Togo
Tonga
Trinidad and Tobago
Tunisia
Turkey
Turkmenistan
Tuvalu
Uganda
Ukraine
United Arab Emirates
United Kingdom
United of Republic of Tanzania
United States
Uruguay
Uzbekistan
Vanuatu
Venezuela
Vietnam
Yemen
Zambia
Zimbabwe

BearsBearsBears
Aug 4, 2022

SplitSoul posted:

Article said they were only able to deliver enough for training purposes. I can't remember the exact number promised, but it was a sizable amount.

Germany promised 14 Leopard 2s and 88 Leopard 1s. Not sure how many they managed to deliver.

https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-send-leopard-tanks-ukraine-russia-war-rheinmetall/

orly
Oct 2, 2005
Probation
Can't post for 11 days!
Are there any video games where you can directly drive an artillery piece around and do indirect fire?

Death Panel Czar
Apr 1, 2012

Too dangerous for a full sensory injection... That level of shitposting means they're almost non-human!
Peru definitely did it

evilmiera
Dec 14, 2009

Status: Ravenously Rambunctious

Pistol_Pete posted:

Improbable: this would imply that there are western leaders capable of sensible and reasonable behaviour.

Kissinger famously wants Ukraine to cede territory to Russia, so uh, maybe the word to use is neither sensible or reasonable.

SplitSoul
Dec 31, 2000

BearsBearsBears posted:

Germany promised 14 Leopard 2s and 88 Leopard 1s. Not sure how many they managed to deliver.

https://www.politico.eu/article/germany-send-leopard-tanks-ukraine-russia-war-rheinmetall/

Posted a statement from the MoD, it's "over 100" altogether.

evilmiera posted:

Kissinger famously wants Ukraine to cede territory to Russia, so uh, maybe the word to use is neither sensible or reasonable.

I think he changed his mind after they put him on Myrotvorets.

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

evilmiera posted:

Kissinger famously wants Ukraine to cede territory to Russia, so uh, maybe the word to use is neither sensible or reasonable.

:gb2gbs:

WoodrowSkillson
Feb 24, 2005

*Gestures at 60 years of Lions history*

orly posted:

Are there any video games where you can directly drive an artillery piece around and do indirect fire?

bf4 had rocket artillery that did that

bf4 was the best battlefield game

Zodium
Jun 19, 2004

i blew up nordstream

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

orly posted:

Are there any video games where you can directly drive an artillery piece around and do indirect fire?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaV5wMHMbpY

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

Zodium posted:

i blew up nordstream

Thank you for your service.

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost

orly posted:

Are there any video games where you can directly drive an artillery piece around and do indirect fire?

Technically you can in DCS, but it's a very simplistic implementation and usually you do it as a game master or something rather than playing as a first-person artillery operator. In Hell Let Loose, the artillery is stationary, but you actually plug in radians and mils to fire, using your teammates as spotters. Trolls like to shoot their own team repeatedly or expend all the ammo resources by shooting the gun nonstop!

OctaMurk
Jun 21, 2013

orly posted:

Are there any video games where you can directly drive an artillery piece around and do indirect fire?

Men of War

Scorched Earth

evilmiera
Dec 14, 2009

Status: Ravenously Rambunctious

Zodium posted:

i blew up nordstream

It was Goku, with the candlestick, on the way back to Tattoine

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy

orly posted:

Are there any video games where you can directly drive an artillery piece around and do indirect fire?

foxhole

in fact, artillery in foxhole is completely broken as long as you have your logistics in order

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supersnowman
Oct 3, 2012

orly posted:

Are there any video games where you can directly drive an artillery piece around and do indirect fire?

World of tank still has SPGs as far as I can tell.

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