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RyokoTK posted:when will the west learn how to make good games like metroid prime and donkey kong country Western AAA stuff gets really frustrating sometimes. So many games get pulled in like 6 different perverse-incentive directions with demands to be infinitely profitable, hugely time-consuming, as accessible and appealing as possible, and also as self-serious as they can be so they'll be respected enough for a movie or TV adaption into a cross-media empire. And then finally, finally video games will be appreciated as a mature art medium for adults.
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RyokoTK posted:when will the west learn how to make good games like metroid prime and donkey kong country When they're all guided by the firm hand of a Japanese parent company
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DaysBefore posted:Didn't the same thing happen in Dark Souls when a manga writer (?) died It definitely happened in FF14 when the author of Berserk died.
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Rea posted:It definitely happened in FF14 when the author of Berserk died. Yeah this is what I'm thinking of
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I generally don't play them, which people can lol at if they want, is it true that there are games that just constantly overlay your next objective on screen all the time?
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Tokyo Sexwale posted:I generally don't play them, which people can lol at if they want, is it true that there are games that just constantly overlay your next objective on screen all the time? that's every open world game made by a Western studio. start the game, follow the arrow until the game is over, the end
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Tokyo Sexwale posted:I generally don't play them, which people can lol at if they want, is it true that there are games that just constantly overlay your next objective on screen all the time? and the characters constantly tell you how to fight the next enemy or solve the next puzzle or walk to the objective that is displayed on your screen the game design trend that started with the last of us literally does not permit the player to think, you’re meant to just go from icon to icon in a tranquilized daze
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Jul 6, 2023 17:01
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The Last of Us would have been better as a walking sim.
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Tokyo Sexwale posted:I generally don't play them, which people can lol at if they want, is it true that there are games that just constantly overlay your next objective on screen all the time? there's a twitter conversation from some ubisoft devs seething and frothing with anger when Elden Ring sold 10 million copies that Japanses games don't understand good UI.
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I thought Ubisoft is what really started the checklist objective UI vomit. Naughty Dog is actually comparatively restrained there. E. Maybe Skyrim if you go all the way back but at least you only could track one quest at a time IIRC
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Tokyo Sexwale posted:I generally don't play them, which people can lol at if they want, is it true that there are games that just constantly overlay your next objective on screen all the time? Yes lol it's so fail. Sometimes you can disable a bunch of that stuff but also the games are designed with that in mind so it won't actually tell you organically how to get somewhere so you have no real choice but to use the compass markers/hud stuff. Thinking of something like a Bethesda game, I really struggle to think if a time an NPC told me to go to Spooky Witch Cave and actually told me where Spooky Witch Cave is ie 'oh it's not far outside Martintown' and then a bunch of ingame road signs can point you to Martintown. It's so loving bad I still play a bunch of western games though. Cucked by big map marker
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DaysBefore posted:Yes lol it's so fail. Sometimes you can disable a bunch of that stuff but also the games are designed with that in mind so it won't actually tell you organically how to get somewhere so you have no real choice but to use the compass markers/hud stuff. Thinking of something like a Bethesda game, I really struggle to think if a time an NPC told me to go to Spooky Witch Cave and actually told me where Spooky Witch Cave is ie 'oh it's not far outside Martintown' and then a bunch of ingame road signs can point you to Martintown. It's so loving bad yeah my last major experience with western aaa games was like ultima 6-8 where they actually did that I just assumed some of those complaints were gamer hyperbole, good grief 
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My videogame brainworms have me alternating between Dave the Diver and trying to make logos for a custom league in Super Mega Baseball 4 while also apparently choosing to assassinate any pitcher who stands before me in a game.
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there are good western games they are simply just indie/mid-budget games, or games made by some company from Sweden or Estonia which entirely takes place on a map screen
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Playing games that are proudly Assassin's Creed and/or Farcry mods and then being surprised that they're poo poo is entirely a problem is the customer's own making.
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Feels Villeneuve posted:there are good western games they are simply just indie/mid-budget games, or games made by some company from Sweden or Estonia which entirely takes place on a map screen the good western game is Farming Simulator 22, and it's made by Germans or Swiss or something. topic locked
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In Skyrim the quest marker points to the entrance of the dungeon but it doesn't actually tell you how to get there. If you just walk in a straight line there could be a mountain in the way and then you have to find a way around and it's a whole adventure. My very first game I got Lydia killed walking from Skyrim to Morthal because we tried to go through a pass and oh whoops there's a dragon lair. Also my horse fell off a cliff
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VostokProgram posted:In Skyrim the quest marker points to the entrance of the dungeon but it doesn't actually tell you how to get there. If you just walk in a straight line there could be a mountain in the way and then you have to find a way around and it's a whole adventure. My very first game I got Lydia killed walking from Skyrim to Morthal because we tried to go through a pass and oh whoops there's a dragon lair. Also my horse fell off a cliff I don't think I've completed the main quest in Skyrim because every time I start a game, I end up going "nah, I'm just gonna be a [PROFESSION] in [TOWN]" and only do enough quest things to accomplish that and then just blacksmith or something until I decide to play something else.
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lol thinking about how ragnarok made the characters tell you how to do everything using phil as the example for why they were implementing it and phil still got lost playing the game
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:lol thinking about how ragnarok made the characters tell you how to do everything using phil as the example for why they were implementing it and phil still got lost playing the game lol
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Endorph posted:there was some guy who did D&D liveplay streams for years and barely got any views, all while telling his wife that he was gonna make it big on twitch and they were gonna be able to move out of her mom's basement, and then he managed to befriend some popular streamers and get them to play D&D games that he DM'd and his viewership skyrocketed and he was making thousands and then within 3 months he started creeping on ladies and got cancelled and divorced and now doesnt stream anymore This reminds me of the Escapist series where a guy would play D&D with pornstars and in every shot there were just bored looking security dudes
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Buschmaki posted:This reminds me of the Escapist series where a guy would play D&D with pornstars and in every shot there were just bored looking security dudes iron crowned writes for the escapist?
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I like map checklist simulators sometimes. Far Cry 4 was fun, to me. I also am enjoying Diablo 4 so maybe I’m the drama.
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Buschmaki posted:This reminds me of the Escapist series where a guy would play D&D with pornstars and in every shot there were just bored looking security dudes That guy was Zak S lol
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Alaois posted:That guy was Zak S lol So you’re saying the security dudes should’ve been paying more attention
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Grassy Knowles posted:So you’re saying the security dudes should’ve been paying more attention Well, yes. That Zak S guy was up to no good, turns out.
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RyokoTK posted:I like map checklist simulators sometimes. Far Cry 4 was fun, to me. The true secret to gaming is to play games you like and be happy while doing it so 
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Last of us 1s multiplayer was surprisingly fun. I think there’s potential for a tactical shooter/survival team game.
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pog boyfriend posted:modern western AAA games are pure poo poo and ragnarok actively condescends to its audience I’ve been doing the PS4 God of War recently. It was boring at first but got fun when the game opens up. Is it also pure poo poo please let me know how annoyed I should be finishing it
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I got the tude now posted:Last of us 1s multiplayer was surprisingly fun. I think there’s potential for a tactical shooter/survival team game. that story that Bungie was brought in to consult and killed a port/remake of it on the PS5 because it wasn't monetizable enough was completely insane
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Feels Villeneuve posted:that story that Bungie was brought in to consult and killed a port/remake of it on the PS5 because it wasn't monetizable enough was completely insane they're right
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I bought Civilisation VI with all the trimmings in the Steam Summer Sale for £13.49, when it would be close to £150 normally 
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DaysBefore posted:Yes lol it's so fail. Sometimes you can disable a bunch of that stuff but also the games are designed with that in mind so it won't actually tell you organically how to get somewhere so you have no real choice but to use the compass markers/hud stuff. Thinking of something like a Bethesda game, I really struggle to think if a time an NPC told me to go to Spooky Witch Cave and actually told me where Spooky Witch Cave is ie 'oh it's not far outside Martintown' and then a bunch of ingame road signs can point you to Martintown. It's so loving bad morrowind did that kind of stuff but then oblivion was just such a seminal point of the decline of AAA games with microtransactions and objective markers
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i dont mind objective markers bc i get lost very easily and have the brain of a toddler. however the poo poo where characters constantly interrupt you to remind you of objectives and what you're doing and why sucks rear end.
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Drinkslinger posted:I bought Civilisation VI with all the trimmings in the Steam Summer Sale for £13.49, when it would be close to £150 normally i like the khmer. you get big cities with the khmer.... and strong faith too!
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