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Raldikuk posted:Certainly warrants an interview at the very least. Jack Smith won't get out of bed unless you have audio recording of Trump admitting to at least three felonies.
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Lammasu posted:Jack Smith won't get out of bed unless you have audio recording of Trump admitting to at least three felonies. This actually seems fairly reasonable. If I've got a fresh diet coke in front of me I'm not going to walk all the way over there for more of the same.
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# ? Jul 1, 2023 21:45 |
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Grip it and rip it posted:I would think having a Republican Governor testify about the call he received would be incredibly compelling evidence... His conversations with Pence are hearsay, and they've already interviewed Pence. If Trump said something to him, there isn't really anything stopping him from volunteering that information.
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# ? Jul 1, 2023 22:16 |
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Simplex posted:His conversations with Pence are hearsay, and they've already interviewed Pence. If Trump said something to him, there isn't really anything stopping him from volunteering that information. He is volunteering that information, thats exactly what his statement was about.
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# ? Jul 2, 2023 00:05 |
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Apparently Lin Wood has agreed to retire and not practice law again to avoid being disbarred. Awfully nice to give that corrupt rear end a sweet face saving parachute after indefensibly abusing his professional obligations. The whole kraken team should be facing perjury charges for knowingly filing false statements with the courts. MAGA land still thinks Terpsichore and Spyders nonsense had merit.
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# ? Jul 5, 2023 15:38 |
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Murgos posted:Apparently Lin Wood has agreed to retire and not practice law again to avoid being disbarred. They'd think it if they were disbarred, too, with an additional helping of how they got got by 'the Deep State.'
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# ? Jul 5, 2023 16:25 |
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Murgos posted:Apparently Lin Wood has agreed to retire and not practice law again to avoid being disbarred. Not sure what exactly you want here. Should they deny retirement to proceed with disbarment proceedings? This is as close to a direct admission of fault that I think they're gonna get.
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# ? Jul 5, 2023 19:08 |
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I think it's more the perception that if investigations are inconvenient enough, you can get away with very egregious poo poo. To paraphrase Michael Scott, you miss finding 100% of the mycrimes.txt logs you don't search for. Compare and contrast to the keelhauling poor and racialized people have for merely existing. That doesn't seem great for legitimately!
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# ? Jul 5, 2023 19:23 |
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https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/110663249322897070 (sorry) Isn't this like an immediate defamation suit? "Does anybody believe the cocaine is for the use of anyone other than Hunter and Joe... Or jack smith?" They already announced that security tapes aren't likely to reveal the source, because it may have just fallen out of a pocket. Meanwhile two of the three people mentioned probably aren't even in that hallway (or building?) very often, and the third probably has a different route to get to their office. It's not seditious libel these days to attack the President, but it still seems like plain libel.
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# ? Jul 5, 2023 22:07 |
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PhantomOfTheCopier posted:https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/110663249322897070 (sorry) Trump's been making all kinds of accusations against the Bidens for years, I don't see why this is any worse than the rest. Also, a presidential candidate suing their upcoming opponent for defamation is an incredibly thin-skinned move that would basically guarantee defeat in 2024.
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# ? Jul 5, 2023 22:13 |
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Main Paineframe posted:Also, a presidential candidate suing their upcoming opponent for defamation is an incredibly thin-skinned move that would basically guarantee defeat in 2024. The one exception is that Trump specifically could get away with doing it because being a thin-skinned chronic litigant is part of his brand.
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PhantomOfTheCopier posted:https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/110663249322897070 (sorry) False accusations of crimes are indeed one of the types of libel/defamation. I really doubt Biden would sue Trump over it though.
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# ? Jul 5, 2023 22:17 |
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Is the statement an actual accusation though? It seems to tread the line by saying “does anyone think it’s anyone other…” where yes it’s clear what is being implicated but does that rise to the level of libel? Edit: it’s irrelevant because Biden wouldn’t sue anyway but I was just curious if this is one of those things where phrasing it that way changes the status.
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# ? Jul 5, 2023 22:19 |
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Fork of Unknown Origins posted:Is the statement an actual accusation though? It seems to tread the line by saying “does anyone think it’s anyone other…” where yes it’s clear what is being implicated but does that rise to the level of libel? Arguably it rises to Innuendo, where it is not literally accusing some of using drugs but the meaning is so obvious that it does identify the parties.
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The interesting thing to me about that kinda talk is that in the first hundred years or so of the Republic it would have led to a duel. Hamilton fought Burr over less.
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# ? Jul 5, 2023 23:05 |
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:The interesting thing to me about that kinda talk is that in the first hundred years or so of the Republic it would have led to a duel. Hamilton fought Burr over less. Even more is that someone on the Supreme Court doesn't like it. https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/27/politics/clarence-thomas-first-amendment-libel-new-york-times-supreme-court/index.html Indeed it seems a silly case, difficult for Biden to quantify any monetary impact, but seems to rise quite close given that it's a blatant lie and attack on character. According to the Clarence interpretation, it's much worse and T should definitely be in prison. "Stop hitting yourself. Stop hitting yourself!"
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# ? Jul 5, 2023 23:56 |
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If I've learned anything from law-talking-people its that a defamation case is really, really hard to win in the US, especially if you're a public figure like a president, and that they're almost never worth your time/money.
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# ? Jul 6, 2023 00:01 |
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That statement isn't anywhere close to being slander or libel lol
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# ? Jul 6, 2023 00:04 |
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I…lost a defamation case.
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# ? Jul 6, 2023 00:10 |
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it appears i posted in the wrong trump thread mb
16-bit Butt-Head fucked around with this message at 18:04 on Jul 6, 2023 |
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:2000 posts since i last looked at this thread... SHUT UP That’s exactly what Trump won’t do, so that’s why.
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A hundred pages of "nothing matters" has a way of ensuring several hundred pages of follow-up. Oh look. https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/07/06/trump-trial-poll-ipsos-00104772 P posted:most Americans — including a large number of Republicans, who the former president is currently courting for his 2024 campaign — believe that the trial in the pending federal case against Trump for mishandling classified documents should occur before the GOP primaries and well before the general election.
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https://twitter.com/dsamuelsohn/status/1676953601573539840
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Trump aide Walt Nauta pleads not guilty in classified documents casequote:Walt Nauta, the longtime aide to former President Donald Trump who was charged alongside him in the special counsel's classified documents case, pleaded not guilty to all charges Thursday at his arraignment in Miami.
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# ? Jul 6, 2023 18:09 |
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I feel like maybe letting the boss that throws people under the bus on the regular pay for your legal representation in a federal case he is also involved in might not be the best move but I guess I'm just not smart enough to be a diet coke delivery boy for our big, wet, president.
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bird food bathtub posted:I feel like maybe letting the boss that throws people under the bus on the regular pay for your legal representation in a federal case he is also involved in might not be the best move but I guess I'm just not smart enough to be a diet coke delivery boy for our big, wet, president. You want to learn how to get thrown under the bus the best, you go to the best.
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bird food bathtub posted:I feel like maybe letting the boss that throws people under the bus on the regular pay for your legal representation in a federal case he is also involved in might not be the best move but I guess I'm just not smart enough to be a diet coke delivery boy for our big, wet, president. Especially when he has a habit of not paying people.
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# ? Jul 6, 2023 19:07 |
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"I'LL be the guy that trump finally sticks up for! I'm special!"
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Angry_Ed posted:Especially when he has a habit of not paying people. What kind of money is even worth risking a federal prison sentence?
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PortobelloPirate posted:What kind of money is even worth risking a federal prison sentence? I'd risk a couple years for 8 figgies
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PortobelloPirate posted:What kind of money is even worth risking a federal prison sentence? $64.8 Billion if we asked Bernie Madoff (of course, he's dead, so we can't )
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Doesn't this mean that Nuanta basically just ran down the clock on flipping? The only plea bargain remaining now seems to be, "Naaa you had weeks, you jerked us around, you have your right to speedy trial and we're going through the whole thing now espionage boy, but if you want to switch your plea to guilty go ahead and we'll recommend 27yr instead of 87 "
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# ? Jul 6, 2023 23:21 |
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Plenty of plea bargains happen between indictment and trial. Many defendants get no advance notice of the indictment and just get arrested.
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bird food bathtub posted:I feel like maybe letting the boss that throws people under the bus on the regular pay for your legal representation in a federal case he is also involved in might not be the best move but I guess I'm just not smart enough to be a diet coke delivery boy for our big, wet, president. Some prominent NatSec lawyers have been saying they would represent Nauta pro-bono under the condition that he agrees that defense is completely severed from Trumps. The presumption being that once he’s out from under Trumps influence it would be trivial to show him that a plea deal would be in his best interest. No one would condemn Smith for giving Nauta immunity in exchange for his first person testimony to participating in criming.
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# ? Jul 7, 2023 01:24 |
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New details trickle out, things like how frequently and how much certain lawyers have cooperated with the DC Grand Jury. I wonder if Smith will indict before Willis does in the first 1/3rd of August? Newest reporting: quote:Exclusive: Special counsel prosecutors question witnesses about chaotic Oval Office meeting after Trump lost the 2020 election Rusty Bowers testified as well: quote:Arizona secretary of state’s office subpoenaed in special counsel probe into 2020 election interference Dr. Faustus fucked around with this message at 06:27 on Jul 7, 2023 |
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Attorney disciplinary committee recommends Rudy Giuliani be disbarred for 2020 election legal workquote:An attorney disciplinary committee has recommended Rudy Giuliani be disbarred in Washington, DC, for his efforts on behalf of then-President Donald Trump to overturn the 2020 election results.
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# ? Jul 7, 2023 19:16 |
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He could’ve skated through life by being the mayor of NYC at its craziest day in history, lmao
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PortobelloPirate posted:What kind of money is even worth risking a federal prison sentence? I meet a person while traveling that was a fugitive. Well, i meet a few, but this one in particular... He got "made an example of" for having one tab of lsd. He was handed a long federal sentance. In jail, he was an unwilling visitor in an inhospitable place. In prison, he had his own furnished apartment with his (few) personal affects. He did a lot of meditation and internalized his incarceration, becoming sparkly-eyed and 'grateful' to the feds that busted him and the jailors that held him. He turned bootlicker, maybe even snitch. A little later on, he was walking to a van just past the front gate every morning, to engage in labor. One morning, he exited the gate, noticed the van's driver was distracted by his phone, and kept on walking. After a fairly dramatic day, he was picked up by an ally and has been travelling since. He still (well, last time i seen him was almost 4 years ago) says prison was great for him, with a look in his eyes like a cult victim. I'd do a year for 50k. I think i could hold it together, and that would be the most money I've ever made in a12 month period.
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# ? Jul 7, 2023 19:30 |
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Its probably a good idea and I'm sure common and ties into like jury trials, but I love the panel of two trained attorneys and Literally Some Dude deciding Giuliani should be disbarred.
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Turns out the dude was Trump
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