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Are you somehow under the impression that this only the bridge? Because I am legitimately trying to understand the SUSU representative's viewpoint and am only able to find myopia on a scale even capitalist's struggle to rival.
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This is not a question of myopia, this is a question of where our collective productive capacity is to be directed and whether this is a good use of resources. Let us remind everyone of what exactly this congress passed legislation-wise:quote:Bering Strait proposal We will reiterate that we do not oppose the improvement of infrastructure in the subarctic region on principle, we are arguing that a rail connection like this is the wrong tool to achieve this goal and is a massive waste of productive capacity. We might as well start building a rail connection between Washington D.C. and Moscow that crosses the polar region, though perhaps we shouldn't start giving anyone any ideas here.
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I would like for us to "skip to the chase" as the saying goes, and just assume that all of the cries of "splitter!" and "counter revolutionary!" and "reactionary back slider!" have already been made and discussed and move on, if possible?
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is somebody playing China already?
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tatankatonk posted:is somebody playing China already? Kanxi is, although that was pre-hiatus and I don't know if they currently are.
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sheep-dodger posted:A maglev connecting Siberia to California would utterly annihilate distance between the two places, leading in short order (on a sociological timescale) to a complete destruction of the unique culture of Siberia and California both and the creation of a new melange where the more populous partner would be dominant. Given that we can fly to Luna in a few minutes, and given the growing personal use of computer networking to communicate across boundaries and borders, and furthermore given the reality of extraterrestrial intelligences which has the potential to rapidly and radically shift human perceptions of identity and culture, this is an all but inevitable future that could only be avoided with measures totally at odds with the socialist project. It may be that the proposed bridge is a bad idea, but the argument that it is bad because it may bring cultural exchange, development, and even merging, is not a credible one. sheep-dodger posted:This seemingly innocuous piece of legislation has in the minds of some here apparently morphed into authorisation for a state of the art maglev connection between California and Siberia to be established and to become the primary artery for cargo traffic between the American and Eurasian continents. An undertaking of the magnitude this proposes should perhaps be more thoroughly discussed considering that it commits us to a massive construction project in the world's most remote and inhospitable corners. The PRM is in full agreement that we should undertake serious and sober analysis of any proposals put before this body, but that is exactly what this entire period of discussion is for. It's hardly reasonable to decry our failure to discuss the matter during the period where the opportunity to discuss the matter is available! But we are spending too long talking about the aspects of SUSU's approach we find unproductive. The actual points raised do contain some entirely credible arguments and the PRM will not deny this over issues with tone. Whilst positively predisposed to the Bering proposal, we agree that general eagerness has caused us to fail to outline some rather important aspects of the idea. Namely, we should lay out exactly what we are intending to build here; is it only a road connection? Traditional rail? Maglev? And second we should seek to explain what our objectives and aimed-for benefits are. We can imagine several and they are by no means mutually exclusive, but it may indeed be the case, as SUSU claims, that these goals could be better met through other means. The PRM also considers the issue of indigenous involvement to be a reasonable one to discuss, although we are satisfied that the agreement of the Diomedeans is quite satisfactory in this instance. Still, we may benefit from making clear that we are happy to assist the peoples of the world that have been most severely mistreated by colonialism and capitalism and will gladly hear proposals for projects they judge to be in their best interests.
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Won't having an actual rail line permanently disrupt things like fishing spots and the like because of all the noise? We might actually fail the first condition.
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tatankatonk posted:is somebody playing China already? I just checked in and they said if anyone wants to take over China, they can. Polgas posted:Won't having an actual rail line permanently disrupt things like fishing spots and the like because of all the noise? We might actually fail the first condition. Traditional trains, yes. Maglevs, no. Those things are quiet, to the extent that in real life, people not used to them can find it pretty disconcerting.
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Why the hell would we build a bridge to connect a nearly empty wasteland at the edge of the Americas to a nearly empty wasteland at the edge of Eurasia? We already have a solution for moving unimaginably vast amounts of cargo between the two major supercontinents, it's called a cargo freighter and because of how physics works it will always be more efficient than trains. We also already have a solution for moving people even quicker than a high speed passenger train in the form of an airliner or suborbital shuttle. Both of these things also have the immense advantage of being able to go directly from one population center to another population center instead of having to make a 3,000+ km detour through the middle of nowhere. The Bering bridge feels like something that got on the docket just because somebody thought it sounded cool, not because there's any kind of economic or social justification for it.
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The matter being discussed is approval of the treaty. The legislation ordering the bridge construction has already passed by entirely normal procedure. Perhaps the honorable members should actually raise their objections during debate next time they have such severe complaints?
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Crazycryodude posted:Why the hell would we build a bridge to connect a nearly empty wasteland at the edge of the Americas to a nearly empty wasteland at the edge of Eurasia? We already have a solution for moving unimaginably vast amounts of cargo between the two major supercontinents, it's called a cargo freighter and because of how physics works it will always be more efficient than trains. We also already have a solution for moving people even quicker than a high speed passenger train in the form of an airliner or suborbital shuttle. Both of these things also have the immense advantage of being able to go directly from one population center to another population center instead of having to make a 3,000+ km detour through the middle of nowhere. The Bering bridge feels like something that got on the docket just because somebody thought it sounded cool, not because there's any kind of economic or social justification for it. because of how TRADITIONAL physics works comrade. This is the TNG zone, it dont gotta make sense
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As the debate rages, members of the California delegation from Los Angeles and Northern California glare at each other.
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paragon1 posted:The matter being discussed is approval of the treaty. The legislation ordering the bridge construction has already passed by entirely normal procedure. Perhaps the honorable members should actually raise their objections during debate next time they have such severe complaints? Wait we have? Ignore me then I'm clearly demented 
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December 4, 1986 A final report on the geological survey of the Minerva system is completed. Minerva's moons boast vast quantities of water, some of it in liquid form in the mantle-oceans of Moons #7 (the 'home' of our Minervan friends), #3, #10, and #19. They also have decent, industrially-viable quantities of various conventional materials. Every single one is completely devoid of TNEs. There are signs of artificial construction and modification of the terrain on at least six moons, ruined remnants of small artificial structures on Moons 3 and 10, and evidence of a trace ring of artificial Trans-Newtonian debris in orbit around the gas giant Minerva itself. It's like the entire system was picked clean, and all infrastructure everywhere except the seventh moon was, not just destroyed, but completely dismantled and removed. December 9, 1986  More motorized infantry battalions are stood up. The training facilities are retasked to focus on training up armored, artillery, anti-aircraft, and various other more specialized formations, to fill out the 5th, 6th, and 7th Brigades. December 12, 1986  Stairmaster, an officer with years of experience managing security and humanitarian relief operations in the former United States, is promoted to a brigade command. Their experience will be invaluable for Operation END OF THE LINE. December 18, 1986 The Lunar mass driver facility is completed. Based heavily on military railgun designs, the mass driver will instead launch cargo 'packets' of higher mass at much lower velocity, targeted at a companion facility on Earth, which will decelerate and receive the packets. The process will subject the contents of the packets to a massive amount of stress and is unsuitable for anything except bulk freight, such as TN minerals, compressed gasses or liquids, and certain foodstuffs, so most cargo transport will still have to be conducted by freighters - but it does make moving industrial quantities of minerals between Earth and the Moon viable, without having to use the new spaceport at all. The complex is connected directly to the Lunar rail network for ease of transportation from multiple planned mining sites. Although it is 'merely' a piece of transportation infrastructure, the site is heavily secured by the LSDF (as best they can with the single battalion of troops they have), and a gun of the Lunar military's orbital defense command will also be positioned nearby. A companion mass driver complex on Earth (there will be several eventually, for redundancy) is being brought online in the Gobi Desert, and will be even better secured. The mineral packets are not designed to be used as weapons, but a failed - or deliberately sabotaged - launch could send, effectively, a small asteroid hurtling at the cradle of humanity, and no bad actor must ever be allowed even close to either site. The technology has already been proven by the two cometary mining outposts currently operational, both of which host similar mass drivers. Construction is already underway at prime mining sites on the Moon, with the first TN mines expected to be operational within weeks. December 21, 1986  Earth Guard Command's teething problems and chronic maintenance issues have been largely resolved, and the small flotilla of ships is now focusing its efforts on training, developing doctrine, and generally figuring out what it even means to fight a war in space. As a division of the Ministry of Outer Space Affairs, EGC is still technically, on paper, a civilian organization, and is still technically part of the same command structure and hierarchy as the rest of the Ministry, but it is already starting to develop a distinct subculture from the rest of the cosmonaut corps, influenced heavily by the commanding officer of Earth Guard.  Fleet Officer PurpleXVI, who proved themselves during the failed GLADIO uprising following the capture of the Revenge, is recognized in the Ministry for their professionalism, aggressive and confrontational command style, exceptional skill at self-promotion, extensive political connections, and for the 'moods' they occasionally have. Their ideological conviction is obvious and undeniable and they have come up absolutely spotless in every SPECTRE investigation ever conducted, making them a clear choice for the position. December 31, 1986 The 1986 session of the People's Congress convenes in Shackleton City, Lunar Socialist Republic, the austere new spaceport being lavishly decorated for the occasion.   THE 1986 LEGISLATIVE SESSION IS, FINALLY, OPEN. It has been a very long time, so tomorrow I will post a status report summarizing the current state of affairs in a little more detail, and covering the progress of some of your projects and legislative initiatives. Thanks for sticking it out. The slow pace and long hiatus was caused by some extremely difficult work conditions and a long period of extremely bad overtime, which has since been resolved, and I am looking forward to being able to do longer posts more frequently starting next ingame year, now that my sleep schedule is gradually recovering. Feel free to ask any questions about anything you'd like information on or anything that needs to be clarified. Deliberations will remain open for at least four days.All proposals require a second. Each representative is limited to three bills. Omnibus bills are permitted. Mister Bates fucked around with this message at 07:55 on Jun 29, 2023 |
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SEPTEMBER 12, 1962 COLBITZ, BEZIRK-MAGDEBURG “Ohhhh! Eckhart, come quickly!” “Yes, Mutter?” “Here. Climb up on the stool, no mother should be lifting her teenage son around. Look out the window, up!” “...Ohhh, the moon!” “Yes, look how bright it is! That is the harvest moon, it shows up to help the farmers at this time of year.” “I've never seen it look so big.” “Did you hear the American president on the radio, today?” “No, they keep the radios off at school.” “Well, he said that the Americans will be sending a man to the moon, on a rocket. Not now, but sometime in the future.” “Hum! ...I wonder what it's like.” “Well, you and I may not ever see it, Knödel, but some day soon, we'll know.“ JULY 22, 1969 BERLIN “Möge Gott mir beistehen, get that drat door shut!” “It's shut, it's shut! I made sure the street was clear first, anyway.” “No street is clear nowadays. Where the hell have you been?! It can’t take a whole day to listen to the radios and sort mail.” “Sleeping. You can’t go anywhere south of the Spree in the day without getting your rear end shot off right now, I have to move around at night. You should too, Ida.” “So you haven’t heard, then.” “...I don’t like the sound of that. Heard what?” “Willy’s dead.” “...WHAT?!” “Shot dead just after dawn. We don’t know who, or why.” “poo poo. poo poo! Who the gently caress would want to shoot Willy?!” “I don’t know. I don’t think anyone does. Alles im Teufel.” “Shiiiit. ...But then who’s running things?” “Feels like no-one is, right now. Peter’s been trying. I don’t know if he’s slept since.” “God, I don’t know if I could. That’s his dad…” “Yeah…” “...God. You think people will listen to him? He’s one of us, and he's Willy's son, but I don’t know if the old bastards will pay attention to a nineteen-year-old.” “I mean, if you’d asked me last year, I’d say hell no. Now… I don’t know. Nobody else even feels like they’re trying but us, so… maybe. Brownie doesn’t think so.” “Pffft. I love Brownie, but he’s so serious. Did you hear the news off Voice of America?” “God, no. Why would anyone listen to that crap now?” “See what they’re thinking, mostly. But they announced something while I was picking up messages – the Americans did it. They landed people on the moon.” “...What, now? In the middle of all this?” “Two days ago, they said. … Right… there, the dark spot just on the light side. They called it the Meer der Ruhe.” “Tranquility would be lovely right now, yeah. They could just be lying. Those bastards lie every time they breathe, especially on the VoA.” “I know. But they were talking about this and working towards this even before the world went crazy. Before Vietnam, even. …Maybe I want to believe it, but it feels true.” “...Mm. It seems so weird, though. With all this. Frivolous.” “It was important once, though. And if they did it, then it’s been done. Can’t be undone. Whatever happens in all this poo poo, we made it to the moon. That’s bigger than this.” “You really think so?” “Well… not all the time. But I want to. Maybe someday it’ll mean something more.” “...Y’know, this is why everyone likes you, Eck. You look forward.” “...Thanks, Ida.” DECEMBER 8, 1978 ALGIERS “It’s a goddamn backstab, is what it is!” “Oh, come on, Vasily, that’s too much.” “Is it? We HAVE to control space, we can’t let the capitalists out over our heads. We can’t do that if the Hawaiians are just throwing vast passenger haulers out there that we don’t control! They’re not socialists, nothing’s stopping them from selling one to Japan or Brazil.” “Apart from having to build them. If we can’t slam out Tranquilities at a realistic rate, there’s no way the Hawaiians can.” “They built the–” “The one, yes. Hard to ignore that. But they could have been building that for God knows how long, and we only just learned about it now.” “WE would have to have known something, Quintana. Have to.” “The KGB aren’t gods, Vasily. And the Soviet Union doesn’t have to do everything for the world anymore.” “Apparently not. All the work and sacrifices we put in to keep socialism alive, and yet as it flowers across the world, everyone seems to want to distance themselves from us.” “They just want to live their own lives, Vasily. That’s what socialism has always been FOR, for us.” “Ugh. We can’t take such a carefree attitude about everything – we haven’t won yet. There’s still a vast capitalist bloc out there and there’s no way they’ve given up trying to destroy our dream. Not to mention how much damage we have to repair, how many people are still on the outside–” “God, you don’t know the half of it, Vaska.” “Eckhart!” “Fletcher, good to see you. How the hell do you always look so tired? It feels like I haven’t seen you in deliberations at all this year.” “Because I’m up to my armpits in domestic crap, Vaska. We got the Ruhrplex online, and I’m eternally grateful for that, but look at this.” “Hm. A list?” “Big list. Names.” “Names, yes. Just got it in from Berlin. In the HOUR since the Hawaiians made their announcement, we’ve already had over a THOUSAND people apply to migrate to the moon. They had to use the emergency line even to send this to me – the phones are jammed solid.” “What? Where on earth are they coming from?!” “They’re refugees. People who’ve been living in camps and temporary housing for years, from Fulda, Hesse, and Lower Saxony. Even with all the aid and effort so far, a lot of the villages are just… gone. Erased from the earth. There’s absolutely nothing left for these people and they feel like they can’t wait anymore.” “Déu els ajudi. But there’s nothing on the moon, either – not even atmosphere. They think they’ll find a better life up there?” “I don’t know, Miquel. Not firsthand. But…” “But he has an idea. Come on, Fletcher, give it to us.” “It’s a symbol, isn’t it? Going to the moon at all. The space race may have just been another arm of the Cold War, but if the Americans had just wanted better rockets, they could have stayed in orbit. Going out to the moon is going FORWARD. It’s something better, something beyond Earth, beyond all this poo poo.” “...” “And… maybe that’s it. They’ve had enough of this poo poo, they can’t take any more of it. What they had is erased already, they want a clean slate rather than digging back in. It’s new hope for them.” “I could believe it, Eckhart.” “Maybe. Aren’t we giving them hope, though? We’re trying a lot of things down here.” “I don’t think they can wait anymore. Maybe we need more, or faster.” “Well, this is the place to think about it. You sound almost enamored, Fletcher. Are we going to see you up there?” “Hah, God, no. Deutschland is my home. My soul lives there, I’ve poured far too much of myself into it to ever leave. If this war couldn’t kill us, then nothing can stop us from making it glorious again.” “Heh. But I bet you’d like to see it, wouldn’t you?” “I mean, who wouldn’t, Miquel? Be honest. …I’ve always wondered what it’s like up there.” DECEMBER 27, 1986 SHACKLETON CITY THE MOON Eckhart Fletcher stood in front of the window, hands folded behind his back. The new cosmodrome’s Grand Hall was a triumphant celebration of Lunar engineering just by existing; even without its carved-regolith reliefs, its smooth steel columns, or its banners and regalia, the size alone was unthinkably opulent. A classical train hall done in neosocialist styling, moved to the moon. It was the kind of vast, frivolous space that would have been unthinkable in the early days of life there. Yet he wasn’t looking at it, not yet. He stood in front of the window, which looked out away from Shackleton City, at the expanse of the landing field, across the hard-cut shuttlepads to the raw regolith beyond it, and the horizon. It was almost New Moon, so only the scattered lights of the landing field cut through the unbroken darkness; even they and the lights of Shackleton City couldn’t hide a vista of stars that an atmosphere would never allow. Hanging just above the horizon, framed perfectly in the great window, was the blue-and-white disc of Planet Earth. It was much darker than in the famous photo; night faced them, darkness lying over the Atlantic and shrouding Europe and Africa. But even as he stood there and watched, the Earth turned, and dawn began to creep upwards, around the eastern edge. For a long while, Eckhart Fletcher stood in front of the great window, not saying a thing. Redeye Flight fucked around with this message at 02:40 on Jun 30, 2023 |
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I propose two bills for the committee: the REMUS Act and the HELIOS Act The REMUS (Research and Exploration of Mars for Useful Settlement) Act aims to determine the viability of permanent human settlement on Mars, by performing: -theoretical research into low gravity habitation, artificial planetary magnetic fields, martian soil construction, and other possible technologies to aid in human habitation of Mars' alien environment -surveying of surface and subsurface regolith to locate useful resources, such as TNE's, frozen water, deposits of conventional minerals and materials, and radiation-protected lava tubes and caves for the purposes of early settlement sites -studying of life support structures of the Cydonia facility for adaptation into our own technology -initial exploration into the possibility of long-term terraforming of Mars into a habitable planet, including constructed atmosphere, deliberate global warming, introduction of liquid water, and creation of artificial biospheres The HELIOS (Hypothetical ELevator Intended for Outer Space) Act aims to determine the viability of a permanent Space Elevator construction, for the purposes of transport of people and goods between Earth and Low Earth Orbit, by performing: -surveys for viable surface locations of a permanent tether facility, taking into account factors such as access to international transport links and local political stability and security -initial engineering and planning for the construction of a Low Earth Orbit space station in geosynchronous orbit, as well as a planetside surface-to-orbit tether structure -research into TNE-reinforced materials that fit the specifications needed for a surface-to-orbit tether
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I'm not sure we're at the stage where it is viable, but I have been workshopping an idea. Essentially, the core of it is a "red national guard" system, where the comintern's professional army is based on the regular system that aurora4x presupposes for it's military, but the national forces of every comintern state are not forcibly merged into it or anything. After all, there's everything from the red army to union militias out there as far as national forces go and so the aim of this is to thread that needle. Essentially the idea is that every comintern member is secured the right to arm and raise their own forces for the purposes of self-defence and disaster relief. Now, offensive action isn't guaranteed.. but it's also not ruled out at this juncture, because we're still fighting the forces of reaction on a smaller scale as well as the upcoming strike against the US remnants. As far as these national forces go, the comintern makes no demands on structuring, because we have anything from anarchists to red stratocrats, but it has two requirements: they have to be able to meet a required level of training and equipment. If they can't, well, it's the job of the Commissariat of Military Standardization to make sure they get what they need to do so. Combined with this is a clarification on what their role is in wartime. The comtintern will be granted two powers, the general call for volunteers, which asks for but does not require contributions from member states to add their national forces as auxiliaries and additional manpower, and the general levy, which can be called upon in times of need and allows for the unilateral consolidation of any necessary national forces for the general defence of humanity. So anyway, I'm still workshopping this and I don't think we have the unity to really realize this yet, but what do you guys think?
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zanni posted:I propose two bills for the committee: the REMUS Act and the HELIOS Act While I'm at it, I second both these bills and propose my own three. The Unleash the Productive Forces Act The UPFA mandates the establishment of a commission by the Ministry of Economics to identify and work with underdeveloped comintern members with extraction-dependant economies, through the regional forums. The aim of this commission is to build up a modern industrial base within these member nations and transition away from the exploitative relationships formed by histories of imperialism. The Global Electrification Initiative Act. This act mandates the move towards rationalization and efficiency of the comintern's energy sectors. A vast project that will likely take years, it essentially ask for us to start combing local and national grids to move towards the creation of an international electric grid, thus creating vast economies of scale in energy efficiency. Finally, my big omnibus one. The Environmental Omnibus Bill This bill is made up of three amendments First is the clean air and water amendment, stipulating the creation of a task force within the ministry of the environment dedicated to the identification of sites with outsized levels of pollution and granting them the authority to work with member nations to eradicate this pollution through pollution standards enforcement, industrial modernization, infrastructural development and whatever other means are necessary alongside provisions for cross-industry cooperation with the Ministry of Economics and any commissions dedicated to the development of industrialization so as to ensure that the productive forces are developed without compromising the health and safety of workers and the land they live on. Second is the agricultural development amendment. This one creates a broad-spectrum, long-term initiative involving the economics, research and environmental ministries based around securing the food supply of the comintern in perpetuity. The goal of this task force is to investigate agricultural systems around the world, as well as Lunagrad's hydroponics initiatives and aiming to gain understanding of as many techniques and systems as possible before the creation and implementing of comintern-wide agricultural policy. We are aiming for three outcomes here: first is sustainability. Particularly in the wake of soil irradiation, we must discover ways that do not damage the ground we use. Second is utility, We are looking for mass deployable methods, nothing that won't scale up to help feed a world of billions. Third is applicability. We are not aiming to create a universal, bland diet here. Instead, we must aim to understand the specific circumstances in which agricultural practices work and where they can be implemented. This combines with the second for the latter half of the project: comintern-wide agricultural reformation, acting with the economics ministry's work in developing members of the comintern to create a global agricultural system based around feeding the nations instead of cash crops. Finally is the biological resources and heritage amendment, granting broad-scale powers to the ministry of environment in working with governments to craft and implement policy relating to the conservation of biodiversity, as well as water, soil and other natural resources that are necessary for sustaining terrestrial life with the goal of ensuring that none of these are compromised. Particular provisions relate to the protection of endangered species.
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zanni posted:I propose two bills for the committee: the REMUS Act and the HELIOS Act Elevators take forever as it is, and you want to use one to bring people into space?! Yikes!!!
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NewMars posted:The Unleash the Productive Forces Act Seconded
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You know, after sleeping on it for a bit, I feel the HELIOS proposal could use from closer evaluation. I'm kinda getting the same feeling the SUSU was espousing about the Bering Strait Bridge concept, in that it's potentially a really expensive and technologically complex boondoggle. Like, the purpose of a space elevator is to bypass the Rocket Equation and vastly reduce the cost to ship things from the ground into orbit. Is that really necessary when we have propulsion technology capable of reducing the transit time from Earth to Luna to less than a conventional flight from Moscow to Paris? Now, the argument could be made that this is only really ideal for human passengers, and a space elevator would be better for mass cargo. This is technically true, and while our Mass Driver installations can send bulk TNEs in industrial quantities where ships would be infeasible, a more sedate ride would be preferable for products that don't care about human comfort while still having a maximum tolerance for g-forces that a Mass Driver would reduce to paste. Still, it feels like an enormous investment for kind of an unhappy middle ground of demand. Furthermore, is a classical space elevator the best option for orbital infrastructure? Or is it just the most Technocratic option to demonstrate our hubris? It's a popular concept, but people have been workshopping other potentially more feasible options since the 50s. How about a launch loop, or a sky tower, or a skyhook/rotovator setup, or an orbital ring? To clarify, I am not dismissing the proposal out of hand. But I would like there to be an actual feasibility study and some sort of cost-benefit analysis before we jump in on the biggest logistical nightmare we've ever undertaken. (Why do I care about the logistics and feasibility and cost-benefit analysis now, when I'm the guy who proposed loving VENUSPLAN? Well, three reasons. One, that was meant to be something of a boondoggle by design. Two, Japan footed the bill for the really pain in the rear end part, we just provided the tractor beam tug. Three, it was a testbed for us to prototype stuff we might find useful later, like Gas Giant aerostats, so that gets folded into the cost somewhat) Asterite34 fucked around with this message at 17:06 on Jul 1, 2023 |
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Lunagrad is developing splendidly. Developing to a degree, where it can in fact start to support a major infrastructure-project: Project 'Big Ear'  Daedalus Crater is located very close to the Lunar antiopdal point, the point directly opposed to Earth. Specifically Daedalus M (8° 6′ 0″ S, 179° 30′ 0″ E) is of general interest to my proposed project. The crater is a nearly perfect hemispherical shape with a diameter of 13 km, and thus ideal for the construction of a massively inproved and enlarged Arecibo-style telescope. The telescope could, in fact, be gradually enlarged by covering additional area of the crater floor with lunar-sourced aluminium-panels. The location is currently the most radio-silent region in easy reach to us, and a radio-telescope mounted there would be of unpredecended sensitivity and resolution. With the bulk of the lunar mass shielding the facility from solar interference, observations could be made during the lunar night and twilight, with the lunar day reserved for construction, deliveries, ect; where the emissions by this equipment would not interfere with observations. These observations could be made at a 'campus', buried deeply into the lunar soil and encased with TEMPEST-style shielding. Since we know, that we are not alone in the universe, it stands to reason that we can dedect radio-emissions of these species over interstellar distances. for this, I propose both an extremely-high-gain antenna at the main-antenna, as well as a two phased arrays at a right angle for low-gain scanning of the sky in the 21cm-band, composed of a field of indvidual low-gain antennae. This would again be complemented by several optical/infrared telescopes, which could be build with substantially larger mirrors, due to the lower lunar gravity, as long as temperature is maintained. Sensitivity in the infrared band is further enhanced by the deeply cryogenic temperatures of the lunar night. By this we would gain the finest astronomical set of instruments ever constructed, a valuable tool for the furthering of our understanding of nature and our exploration of the cosmos. in-game this would be the construction of a Deep space tracking array of at least size 4 and, somewhere in the future, a laboratory complex
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Kodos666 posted:Lunagrad is developing splendidly. Seconded
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Asterite34 posted:You know, after sleeping on it for a bit, I feel the HELIOS proposal could use from closer evaluation. I'm kinda getting the same feeling the SUSU was espousing about the Bering Strait Bridge concept, in that it's potentially a really expensive and technologically complex boondoggle. These are fair points. Perhaps rather than jumping straight to a space elevator we should commission a study to figure out the pros and cons of getting serious quantities of mass to and from orbit? Then we could have fast craft for passengers and time-critical items like say organs for transplant, the mass drivers for anything that can take the Gs, and whatever this study recommends sitting in the middle, for carrying anything that needs a degree of delicacy but which doesn't have a strict time pressure attached - electronics, scientific equipment, household appliances, most kinds of foodstuff. The need for serious orbital lift capacity is only going to increase as our species grows across the solar system and potentially beyond, and it would be prudent to figure out an alternative to ships in order to reduce our sorium usage. In the long term that may prove to be our most critical resource.
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Jul 2, 2023 07:41
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Do we have a WHO or FDA equivalent yet? Might be worth legislating.
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Jul 3, 2023 00:00
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samcarsten posted:Do we have a WHO or FDA equivalent yet? Might be worth legislating. We passed the legislation for one a while back, no idea what the status of the actual organization is.
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Jul 3, 2023 22:10
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Grizzwold posted:We passed the legislation for one a while back, no idea what the status of the actual organization is. We've got the Space and Communism parts, but it's only partially automated and the rest is not yet implemented.
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State of the Worlds, 1986 Here follows a summary of some relevant events over the last year. A major State of the Worlds update was prepared at the end of the last endgame year, so general information on the world will not be provided except where it has changed in the intervening time. The report is divided into subsections. ---Defense Procurement and Ship Construction--- The following resolutions are of relevance and are excerpted, with progress reports attached: Pirate Radar posted:From: The Central Studio of the Left Bank Design Bureau - Maintenance capacity upgrades: Completed, the maintenance facilities can sustain the requested capacity with room to spare. - Research mandate: 2/3 completed. Nuclear pulse engines and the requested capacitor upgrades have been completed. Shipboard hangar research is currently in progress with a current ETA of Friday, May 27, 1988. - Upgrades to the DS001 fleet: Incomplete. Research and development of the individual components for the new ships will be prioritized in January and retooling of Ascension Yards for the refit will commence by February. - Chopin-class carrier construction: Incomplete, pending hangar deck research. Demiurge4 posted:From the office of Agripin Antonov - Interkosmos Academy - All construction currently on hold pending research completion. The requisite techs will be prioritized in January and retooling of Salyut Yards should begin in February. In addition, VENUSPLAN is of relevance here. The nuclear pulse tug Aphrodite will be launched January 16, 1987. The Japanese have confirmed that the aerostat colony they are supplying as part of the joint venture will be ready for launch by the time she completes her working-up, and we are tentatively setting a launch date in early to mid February. On the ground, 1st Division of the Interplanetary People's Army is nearly at full strength, with 5th, 6th, and 7th Brigades (out of a listed strength of seven) currently mustering. ---Research---  At present time, Hangar Deck is being prioritized in keeping with the military procurement orders, with a non-specialist scientist assigned (you have absolute rear end for Logistics specialists, none of your available researchers in the specialty can handle more than 5 labs so it would take a very long time). ---Infrastructure---  Construction efforts are currently focused primarily on expanding your military facilities, in preparation for END OF THE LINE. There is one extremely importation development in this area. NM-47, the Trans-Newtonian Global Network Project, proposed in 1981 a five-year plan for the development of a global Trans-Newtonian rail infrastructure, the plan which would evolve into COMRAIL. As of now, this five year plan is complete. While there remains much work to do, Trans-Newtonian high speed rail is now a practical reality on both Earth and the Moon. Two Construction/Production techs, Construction Rate and Wealth Generation, total research cost 10000RP, will be granted for free as originally agreed upon back in 1981, and the 10% of global production capacity currently being expended on COMRAIL will no longer be tied up. On the Moon, the LIMIT Act infrastructure development program has been a resounding success, and full-scale mining operations should commence within the month. The North American transcontinental land link mandated by the East-West Transportation Act remains a work in progress, with a series of disconnected segments of road gradually being expanded, improved upon, and linked up. The link will be crucially important for END OF THE LINE, so effort will be focused on it in the coming months. The Bering Strait feasibility study has already been discussed. The Ports and Waterways Modernization Act, and the new agency COMPORT spun up to fulfill it, remain works in progress, with most transportation development effort having up to this point been focused on completing COMRAIL's first five-year plan. That will soon change, with resources and attention being heaped upon sea transport as the year comes to a close - the rather intense debate over the Bering Strait bridge has only fueled this trend. ---Internal Affairs--- Nuclear disarmament, mandated by you in the last session, remains the elephant in the room. The past year has been spent quietly building up the political infrastructure necessary to executive this directive; in 1987, implementation will begin. SPECTRE, and their substantial surveillance infrastructure, stand ready to ensure compliance where more traditional political maneuvering fails. The Permanent Human Rights Oversight Commission, established in the previous session, presents a preliminary report regarding compliance with Comintern human rights regulations. The report is disappointing, but perhaps not surprising - very few member polities are fully complying with every provision of the body's Universal Bill of Rights. As a reminder, the text as originally passed is as follows: quote:A New Universal Bill of Rights Further amendments have since been made, one of which bans all forms of forced or coerced labor for any reason, one of which specifically makes an allowance for military conscription to still be practiced, and one of which is long enough to be reproduced in full here: quote:The Second Universal Bill Of Rights Amendment ('the right to freedom from forced military service' clause has been superseded by the Conscription for the Defense of the Revolution bill, reproduced here:) quote:Conscription for the Defense of the Revolution Bill While all of these are legally binding on every member of the Interplanetary, there has up to this point been limited effort put into actually enforcing these rules, or indeed even keeping track of whether or not they are being followed. Further complicating the issue is that there are frequent debates over interpretation and implementation - as an example, what exactly 'the right to vote' means, which may seem uncontroversial at first glance, has prompted fierce debate over, among other things, what a vote even is. With no formal Comintern judiciary and no permanent standing body with an explicit mandate to resolve these disputes - and very little in the way of serious enforcement formally laid out, except the last-resort options of military intervention or expulsion - the Universal Bill of Rights remains an unfinished work. That having been said, it is also a publicly available document, and it is very popular among the Interplanetary's citizenry. Internal political pressure - and external pressure in the People's Congress and the World and regional Forums - have ensured that every member polity at least officially abides by every provision, even if implementation remains inconsistent. ---External Affairs--- The SAP Extension Act, which mandated that SAP prefab housing be made available to non-Interplanetary customers, at-cost, has been a resounding success, and the ubiquitous white prefabs of the Socialist Aid Program are now rising in Brazil and Nigeria and Japan. Planning for END OF THE LINE, the final conclusion of the Great Revolutionary War, is well underway, and your spies are keeping several close eyes on the remaining reactionary forces in North America, ready to report on any moves they make. The Congress of Independent Socialists met for the second time this year, again in Tirana. It is smaller than it was in 1985, and less raucous, but still indecisive as to whether it considers itself an anti-Comintern organization or an organization pushing for change within the Comintern. SPECTRE is continuing to monitor. The Workers' Party won a plurality in the Brazilian legislative elections, and are negotiating with the Comintern-member Communist Party of Brazil to potentially form a coalition government. It remains to be seen whether or not the military junta that holds the real power in Brazil will let this government take power. SPECTRE projects civil war is likely if the junta completely rejects the election results. -------------- Please request any other information needed and it will be provided. Deliberations will be extended until the weekend to make up for the delay in posting this. Mister Bates fucked around with this message at 08:51 on Jul 5, 2023 |
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Jul 5, 2023 08:39
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Oh hey, the rails are done.
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Jul 5, 2023 08:45
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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1nF1aPOZtM7RuXMZ42cDRW9xubv-EK8IH-hYn0RlxCdA/edit This is outdated, only going up to 1983, but it has a lot of information that is helpful. Stuff that's passed since then includes a lot of what I put into the environmental omnibus bill, which I am discovering to my embarrassment. Mind you, I think there is enough of a difference that they can be taken as extensions of this prior legislation?
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Jul 5, 2023 11:46
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Alrighty, so, deliberation now that I've got my brain in line. I have one bill prepped and ready to go, but the other one I think needs discussion before a vote.quote:This bill establishes several items of common terminology for use across the Comintern by official agencies and documentation by that body. Both for feedback on the items present in it, and to offer any other ideas for terms and things anyone thinks should be standardized.
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Jul 6, 2023 00:19
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Speaking of standardization, do we have anyone ensuring interComentern standardization of various things?
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Jul 6, 2023 01:34
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samcarsten posted:Speaking of standardization, do we have anyone ensuring interComentern standardization of various things? ISO has actually been around since 1947 and is still going strong. The IEC is even older, starting in 1906. ANSI was never quite as widespread, but started in 1918 and was always useful for coordinating American standards with international ones. California has kept it alive as best as possible, though coordinating on American standards has been difficult in the last couple decades.
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Jul 6, 2023 04:15
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Redeye Flight posted:Alrighty, so, deliberation now that I've got my brain in line. I have one bill prepped and ready to go, but the other one I think needs discussion before a vote. There is one, very important thing that we need standardized. What is a "vote" and what does the bill of rights guarantee? This is a very tricky one. You see, the comintern is not some bourgeoise democracy running on an insipid and false "one man one vote" system. Within it there are many currents, from the vanguard parties to anarchist communes and in order to thread this needle we have to consider what they are and what they want. You see, many on the right of the comintern's political spectrum, the red democracies, tend towards the idea of a universal vote, decrying vanguard parties as oligarchic in their structure. But vanguard parties exist as a political necessity in their areas where counterrevolutionary thought is a real, ongoing issue. These parties often have _internal_ democracy, but access to this is restricted on the base of party membership. None of this gets into the vagaries of syndicalist structures that have their franchise be based around industrial participation, direct-vote anarchies and council structures as well as numerous, more idiosyncratic philosophies found in various places. In light of this, it may be best to create the definition of vote as one that's not too restrictive, yet is a weapon against personalism and degradation into dictatorship, a reminder that although the vanguard is necessary today, it is a duty to expand it to all the people as part of the ongoing construction of socialism. Therefore my idea is to render it as the right to participate in the organs of political discourse within a nation, be they council, assembly, legislature or party, through member-chosen delegation or representative or direct assembly, restrictable to membership of socialist parties, but with the requirement of ongoing expansion of party membership. And that these organs must participate in internal debate and construction of legislation or political initiatives that cannot be implemented without their consent. NewMars fucked around with this message at 06:14 on Jul 7, 2023 |
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Jul 6, 2023 09:00
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NewMars posted:There is one, very important thing that we need standardized. What is a "vote" and what does the bill of rights guarantee? I'd be ok with defining it as that, given you've included expanding party membership.
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Jul 7, 2023 01:53
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Mister Bates posted:Please request any other information needed and it will be provided. Deliberations will be extended until the weekend to make up for the delay in posting this. This is both a request to the Chair and those posters/chamber members who have Aurora ship design expertise -- could we get an update on the outcome of the Warship Design Study Committee that was put in as part of last year's Appalachian Defense Act? = = = = = = = Proposal 1 of the Deutsche Volksrepublik The Comintern Nomenclature Bill of 1987 Fletcher looks as tired as ever; he’s been occupying a radiophone booth in the hall non-stop for the last few days. Comrades. After extensive deliberation both among the DVR’s populace, the Volksrat, and with fellow members of the European and greater socialist communities, a proposal has been made to standardize and update some of the names and terms we are using. A smile, also tired. I don’t doubt we’ll be revisiting these again in the future, but, this should be a start. = = = = = This bill establishes several items of common terminology for use across the Comintern by official agencies and documentation by that body. 1. In order to allow adequate time for adoption and regularization of terms, changes in this bill will remain in effect for a minimum of five years before further changes shall be considered. 2. In Directive W-55-1981, it was decided that this body shall be renamed to the Communist Interplanetary. To be frank, this name-change has not stuck; its shortenings are awkward (either ending with a “P” or taking four syllables and thus not being that short at all) and its use even in official documents has remained inconsistent despite five years of earnest attempts. Furthermore, the alliance remains international, even if some of the nations are not on the same planetary body. Therefore, Article 2 would repeal W-55-1981, reverting the name of the alliance for official purposes to the Communist International or “Comintern”, for a minimum duration of five years as discussed in Article 1. 3. There has been much confusion over the name of our aquatic naval service, as it definitionally cannot be Interplanetary as the army is. This bill proposes that the service adopt the name of the International People’s Navy, or IPN. This puts it in line with the naming conventions of several Comintern member states, namely China, Korea, Vietnam, and Germany, among others. As we only have one planet with bodies of water that can have craft built on them, distinguishing it as Earth-exclusive is probably not important at this time, and can be revisited should that situation change. 3a. This may require a renaming/rationalization of our spacecraft fleet, but as this is currently still under MOSA’s jurisdiction, that can probably wait until we more fully develop our space navy. 4. In keeping with the space theme, it is recommended that the Soviet/Russian-style prefix of “cosmo-” be adopted as standard. Thus our current collection of launch facilities and spaceship staging grounds would be referred to as “cosmodrome” by standard, space-borne workers, sailors and soldiers as “cosmonauts”, et cetera. This would establish a consistent, internationally-recognizable standard in language, culture, and documentation. Fletcher’s notes: “Tried to get ‘raum-’ as the pick, and you’d think with how many people read Perry Rhodan we could have gotten it through, but, it didn’t take. The Soviets’ success in space means everyone in the worlds knows what a ‘cosmonaut’ is, so the committees thought it would be a better choice. The French also use it and ‘astronaut’ basically interchangeably, which is helpful with how widespread French has become again.”
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Jul 7, 2023 06:51
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Proposal 2 of the The Comintern Ministry Establishment Bill of 1987 Greetings, comrades. I am Niccolo Varano, representative for the Italian Republic. After extended debate among several committees, I have been tasked with presenting to you a proposal for an overhaul and expansion of the Comintern bureaucracy. The Comintern was, of course, originally designed as a mutual defense pact, rather than an administrative body; however, the reality of the situation is that we have found successes that even our mightiest members could not have made alone, and must address them. As a result, with input from representatives of the Soviet Union, the People's Republic of China, the Kalmar Union, the German People's Republic, the Italian Republic, the French Socialist Republic, the Union of Australasian Workers' Republics, and many other members, we have compiled a tentative list of eleven major administrative bodies to help operate the increasingly complex network of international projects we have assembled. Most of these are organizations that already exist effectively in their proposed form and would be essentially unchanged. The main role of these Ministries and Bureaus is to coordinate Comintern international efforts and to set standards to be followed by alliance members in order to assist in that coordination. They will also administer and operate Comintern-level projects and policies, such as the Socialist Aid Program. The role of Ministers is to be filled by members selected from the Comintern Congress, elected by this body, and the Comintern Congress shall act as the overhead body which the Ministries will report to and be held accountable to. This bill establishes that the following administrative bodies will be created, arranged, or reorganized to add to the capability of the international Comintern bureaucracy: The first five Ministries listed are organizations which already exist under the Comintern bureaucratic structure, and would undergo no or minimal bureaucratic changes except for interfacing with other, new elements. -Ministry of Health: Already extant. The Ministry of Health is responsible for the physical, medical, and mental health of the people of the world, from cancer to the common cold. It has already put in astonishing work and is set to do even more going forward. There are no formal changes proposed to the Ministry of Health; it is included on this list for completion purposes. -Ministry of Socialist Sciences: Effectively a ministry and already extant, the Bureau of Socialist Sciences is currently subordinate to the Ministry of Education but is large enough and rapidly becoming different enough to warrant being its own full ministry. This proposal would do so, splitting MoSS off from Education into its own top-level organization. MoSS and MoE would remain closely connected and share particular jurisdictions, such as research universities. MoSS is responsible for scientific research, direction, and development, in everything from military technology to antigravity to genetics, both in operating and overseeing the Comintern’s own laboratory network and in coordinating output and operations between member nations. -Ministry of Education: Already extant. The Ministry of Education is responsible for setting educational standards and guidelines across the planet and ensuring that the Comintern’s interconnected nature can produce equality of access, use, and outcome of education for everyone on the planet. Apart from the aforementioned splitting-off of MoSS, this proposal would make no substantial changes to the Ministry of Education; it is included on this list for completion purposes. -Ministry of the Environment: Fully known as the Ministry of Environmental Protection, Conservation, and Restoration; formerly the Bureau of the same name. Already extant; responsible for restoring the planetary environment from the ravages of nuclear war and ensuring that future human development interacts with the ecosystem in a manageable and, hopefully, sustainable way. Apart from increasing its size and importance to Ministry-level, there are no formal changes proposed to the Ministry of the Environment; it is included on this list for completion purposes. -Ministry of Space Affairs: Already extant. MOSA is in charge of all operations in outer space and on planets not currently organized into Comintern member polities, such as the outpost on Mars and the planned one on Venus. When and how MOSA’s operations break off from MOSA and become their own thing is going to have to be handled case-by-case. Most likely, once a sizable population is present on Mars, this entire system will require revision to account for having a second entire planetary system (Luna being so close-in to Earth’s orbit by modern spacecraft to be able to effectively participate in Earthbound systems). There are no formal changes proposed to the Ministry of Space Affairs; it is included on this list for completion purposes. More substantially, we propose significant changes to the existing Cybersyn program, which has become essential to the function of the Comintern and has gained additional elements of scope and control as a result of the rise of the Internetwork. We also propose a new Ministry and Bureau to encompass our many existing infrastructure projects. -Ministry of Archives and Information: Technically extant. While currently part of the highly successful Comintern Cybersyn economic management system, Cybersyn has picked up a vast amount of information management and data processing capacities as the Internetwork and its role in Comintern society have grown and evolved in complexity and scale. This should be split off into its own department, to be named the Ministry of Archives and Information, also known as MinArch or MAI. MAI is to be responsible for information management and standards across the Comintern. It is in charge of archiving, record-keeping, source preservation, and generally maintaining the collective memory of the socialist world, with contribution and two-way oversight from countless academic institutions and groups across the planet. It would be a major contributor to the activities of every other Ministry as a result. MAI is also the top-level organization in charge of the Comintern's intelligence-gathering and information security organizations, including SPECTRE, FESTER, and DOROTHY. The intel oversight organization MISTIC is technically within MAI's realm, but answers directly to the Comintern Congress and acts as an oversight organ for MAI as well. This change was supposed to have occurred alongside last year’s Information and Signals Intelligence Oversight Act, and unfortunately got bumped to 1987 due to the already-busy 1986 slate. Hopefully this will end any confusion produced by that bill. -Ministry of Production and Resources, “Cybersyn”: Currently extant. Developed by the Chileans in the 1970s, the Cybersyn program has evolved to become an indispensable part of the Comintern’s global economic engine. While commonly still known as Cybersyn, MoPaR makes the economic engine roar that makes the better future possible. MoPaR is responsible for coordinating international industrial production, shipping, and logistics, ensuring a hundred thousand different cooperatives and agencies interface effectively and efficiently, and setting goods standards on everything from hammers to headphones to motor trucks. The only real changes to Cybersyn in this proposal are splitting off elements of information management and Internetwork control that it has picked up into their own Ministry, and formally designating it as a Comintern Ministry for the sake of the paperwork. Beyond that, Cybersyn is doing great work and we have no complaints. -Ministry of Infrastructure: This organization effectively exists already, in that we have created dozens of oversight and operating committees for a wide variety of industrial, transportation, and construction projects, and they have been talking to each other to not get in each others' way. This will formalize a Ministry of Infrastructure to take these groups from a room full of people all talking at once to a proper council committee meeting. MinInf will be responsible for coordinating and overseeing essential the construction and maintenance of planetary infrastructure such as the COMRAIL network, the COMPORT program, the Panama and Suez Canals, and the international telecommunications network, along with major individual construction projects such as stadiums. Direct operational oversight of COMRAIL, COMPORT, the Panama and Suez Canals, and other transportation elements will be handled by the Bureau of Transportation, a new sub-unit to be installed underneath Infrastructure. Finally, this proposal calls for the creation of three entirely new ministries, for the purpose of setting standards and coordinating actions to ensure a truly socialist standard of living for all citizens under the Comintern alliance. We have been referring to these as “the Triangle”, for they cover the three key points of a comfortable life – sustenance, shelter, and satisfaction. -Ministry of Agriculture and Food: The Ministry of Agriculture and Food is to be responsible for ensuring that no human being under a Comintern flag goes hungry or thirsty ever again. This includes coordinating food production, farm management, shipping and logistics, along with setting health and consumption standards for food production (farms etc.), distribution (supermarkets etc.), and restaurants, working with MoCaL on recipes and culinary culture, and everything else that ensures no shortages of food, effectively taking over continuity efforts from the food aid side of the Socialist Aid Program. MinAg will also feature a major subordinate organization, the Bureau of Water Management, which has the same job but with regards to fresh water instead, including the thorny, ancient job of managing water rights. -Ministry of Housing: Fully titled the Ministry of Housing, Civil Engineering, and Urban Planning, and the second point of the Triangle, the Ministry of Housing is responsible for ensuring that no person who lives under a Comintern flag will ever be without shelter. This includes directly designing and setting standards for housing, along with working with member nations’ respective government agencies to ensure they are put into practice, but it also includes working with Cybersyn and MinInf to provide coordinated global resources to help towns, cities, and polities improve the design of their streets, neighborhoods, and districts to give their citizens a better life. MinHous will take over continuity efforts of the housing side of the Socialist Aid Program. -Ministry of Culture and Leisure: A wrapper for several extant international projects such as the Socialist World Exhibition and the third point of the Triangle, MoCaL is responsible for ensuring that life is more than survival. MoCaL ensures funding, protection, and promotion of all elements of culture in the Comintern states, from classical realms like painting, sculpture, dance and theater, to modern sports (via the Committee for Sports and Athletics, ComSporAth), pop music, and arcade games. MoCaL is also responsible for ensuring that every person who lives under a Comintern flag has ready and equal access to leisure and luxuries in life, including world tourism, resorts, and even the fair distribution of parks and playgrounds. = = = = = This is a considerable proposition, but at this point, the participating national representatives agree what we could do with some more organization and coordination on our international efforts. We do also have other possible ministries in mind for future expansion, but these ones are the ones that all could agree on by this point in time. We have also come up with an initial predicted web of interactions and cross-jurisdiction between the various ministries proposed, and a system of shorthand reference names. Those have not been included in this bill, however. That being said, we would heartily encourage any further feedback and refinement on this proposal, at least for the rest of the deliberation period. Redeye Flight fucked around with this message at 07:03 on Jul 7, 2023 |
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Jul 7, 2023 06:55
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The UAWR seconds both of those bills. Having read them, I can't really say I find any problems with them. Mind you, although it isn't a requirement yet, we're going to have to separate MoSA into different branches at some point as the situation in space expands.
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The NOMAD Speaker for Civil and Human Rights proposes the creation of a Comintern Judiciary (JUCOM) with judicial power over all international and interplanetary legislation. The purpose of this is to generate a strong legal corpus with the legitimacy to enact Comintern Law while respecting each polities judiciary framework. At the same time, NOMAD proposes the creation under JUCOM of the General Inspectorate, tasked with investigating and reporting on omissions, delays or crimes regarding Comintern Law. The operatives would be called General Inspectorate Judicial Operatives and Enforcers or GIJOEs and they would be a multidisciplinary civilian taskforce. Although, for obvious reasons it can include former security or military personnel. This move would also explicitly and/or implicitly move intelligence assets from SPECTRE to JUCOM and would serve as a check on them. The GIJOEs would have a rivalry with SPECTRE agents that could range from friendly to bitter
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