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Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Danann posted:

i always fall back on the one true strategy of accumulating an unstoppable industrial advantage over my foes and fall apart whenever im told to do something really clever and aggressive

It's a foolproof strategy!!

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my dad
Oct 17, 2012

this shall be humorous
I think I might (at some point) post an AAR for a certain 30 player Dominions 5 game that lasted for over a year IRL (almost two years IIRC), of which I participated in about half the turns before having to sub out of despite being the strongest player due to IRL stuff. It's amazing how far you can get by just on bluffing about your strength after you somehow blundered into winning an unwinnable fight and build up actual strength off of it.

palindrome
Feb 3, 2020

I think I played 2 full multiplayer Dominions 4 games, each lasting 3+ months. It was quite an experience. 1 turn every 24 hours sure is something, I can see how olden dudes got a kick out of chess by mail (post).

Anyway I personally got wrecked in Dom4 newbie game 1 but came out in top in newbie game 2 with the strong meta strategy of destroy all of earth with Armageddon to demoralize the other players, and use tartarus gate summons to get lots of giant demon guys that weren't bothered by Armageddon.

It's ok to wreck the world economy as long as your economy maintains a slight competitive advantage relative to everyone else. That's what we call a win condition.

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe

my dad posted:

I think I might (at some point) post an AAR for a certain 30 player Dominions 5 game that lasted for over a year IRL (almost two years IIRC), of which I participated in about half the turns before having to sub out of despite being the strongest player due to IRL stuff. It's amazing how far you can get by just on bluffing about your strength after you somehow blundered into winning an unwinnable fight and build up actual strength off of it.

ah, the old germany special

palindrome posted:

I think I played 2 full multiplayer Dominions 4 games, each lasting 3+ months. It was quite an experience. 1 turn every 24 hours sure is something, I can see how olden dudes got a kick out of chess by mail (post).

Anyway I personally got wrecked in Dom4 newbie game 1 but came out in top in newbie game 2 with the strong meta strategy of destroy all of earth with Armageddon to demoralize the other players, and use tartarus gate summons to get lots of giant demon guys that weren't bothered by Armageddon.

It's ok to wreck the world economy as long as your economy maintains a slight competitive advantage relative to everyone else. That's what we call a win condition.

ah, the old us special

atelier morgan
Mar 11, 2003

super-scientific, ultra-gay

Lipstick Apathy

Danann posted:

i always fall back on the one true strategy of accumulating an unstoppable industrial advantage over my foes and fall apart whenever im told to do something really clever and aggressive

:same:

Zeppelin Insanity
Oct 28, 2009

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Wahnsinn

Frosted Flake posted:

Silent Hunter 4 is the best in the series, especially with mods.

I would love it if the UBOAT studio took their detailed and immersive subsim to interesting settings like US Fleet Boats, Italian submarines, British subs in the Med and Pacific, rather than the same Type VII we've been saddled with since the genre began.

Take this with a grain of salt but friends who met the team said that the team really did not want to do German subs, but it was the only way to get funding. No money people wanted to invest in a sub game that wasn't about being nazis.

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

my dad posted:

If there's anything I learned from being reasonably good at strategy games, it's that I'm not a good strategist.

from playing starsector and rimworld i have learned that i am terrible at managing more than 1 unit at a time

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

Yeah I tried playing Company of Heroes 2 and I stopped when the game asked me to deal with nazis attacking from three different directions.

That was like the 2nd or 3rd mission.

sullat
Jan 9, 2012

gradenko_2000 posted:

The trick is to read about the historical battle first, so your strategy becomes "don't do what the losing guy did"

The Ultimate General: Civil war game is fun because it tries to convince you to make the same mistakes that the Union generals did. Also, like McClellan thought, it gives the rebels huge hordes of men.

Slim Jim Pickens
Jan 16, 2012
The very first UG game was a version of Gettysburg with some 30 branching paths and alternate history scenarios which I had fun exploring. A much more limited version of that made it into UG: Civil War, which is understandable but sad.

my dad
Oct 17, 2012

this shall be humorous

AnimeIsTrash posted:

from playing starsector and rimworld i have learned that i am terrible at managing more than 1 unit at a time

Quick tip for Starsector: Set a "Defend" (not escort) order on your flagship, it keeps your fleet vaguely centered around you (and able to support and protect you and each other), and you can still issue "take that control point", "try to kill that guy", "kill that guy or die trying" or "stay the gently caress away from that battleship you loving idiots it can one-shot you before you even get in range" orders without having to think too much about the specifics. Your fleet will detach an adequate number of ships for the job and return them back to the blob as needed.

e: It also tends to sort of naturally overwhelm an enemy flank as you move around looking for exposed enemy ships to pick off and dragging your fleet with you while your stragglers try to avoid fighting the enemy unsupported.

my dad has issued a correction as of 22:14 on Jul 7, 2023

John Charity Spring
Nov 4, 2009

SCREEEEE
Starsector is so good, you're making me want to fire up another campaign

my dad
Oct 17, 2012

this shall be humorous
My average command point expenditure:

1 point: Giving my fleet the intial order to defend me and capture the nearest control points
1-3 points: Retreating exposed ships, pressing the advantage against enemy ships that are out of formation, preventing the fleet from engaging capital ships before their escorts are thinned out, etc
Literally everything else: Selecting the fleet's safety overrides Dominator, right clicking on the nearest big enemy ship, and then piloting my own ship for a bit while I wait for the Dominator to fly out the other side of the resulting debris cloud before repeating the process


(ignore the ziggurath's loadout, it's temporary)

my dad has issued a correction as of 22:49 on Jul 7, 2023

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
i just grabbed ultimate admiral age of sail and this spanish gold battle scenario is driving me up a goddamn wall. the map being a rectangle with the wind blowing straight up the long axis means you quickly run out of space if the enemy AI doesnt let you do the narrowest zig-zigs up the whole length of the map

Slim Jim Pickens
Jan 16, 2012
I didn't play that scenario but I bounced off UA: Age of Sail multiple times. The combat is too much of a mathematical deathmatch for me to enjoy. I genuinely like the naval combat in like Empire/Napoleon Total War better, because the crew losses and ship damage actually depend on where the cannonballs land.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Slim Jim Pickens posted:

The combat is too much of a mathematical deathmatch for me to enjoy.

welcome to the age of sail lol

Minenfeld!
Aug 21, 2012



Is the civil war game good? I have gettysburg and dreadnoughts.

skooma512
Feb 8, 2012

You couldn't grok my race car, but you dug the roadside blur.

Minenfeld! posted:

Is the civil war game good? I have gettysburg and dreadnoughts.

If you liked and understood Gettysburg, Civil War is more of that and you'd probably like it.

I didn't understand Gettysburg, and then I bought Civil War and I don't understand that poo poo either. In a 1:1 fight my guys always seem to die faster. I don't know how the confederacy plays because gently caress that.

jaegerx
Sep 10, 2012

Maybe this post will get me on your ignore list!


What was that mmo where you just command a small part of the Normandy invasion called again?

skooma512
Feb 8, 2012

You couldn't grok my race car, but you dug the roadside blur.

jaegerx posted:

What was that mmo where you just command a small part of the Normandy invasion called again?

WW2 Online?

jaegerx
Sep 10, 2012

Maybe this post will get me on your ignore list!


skooma512 posted:

WW2 Online?

No it was posted recently, you're a division commander or something. It's not released yet I don't think.

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005

jaegerx posted:

What was that mmo where you just command a small part of the Normandy invasion called again?

the first Normandy Close Combat game was so-so but A Bridge Too Far was great.

jaegerx
Sep 10, 2012

Maybe this post will get me on your ignore list!


https://tallyhocorner.com/2023/06/real-time-general-really-is-real-time/

this

Slim Jim Pickens
Jan 16, 2012

Minenfeld! posted:

Is the civil war game good? I have gettysburg and dreadnoughts.

The battles are like Gettysburg, but you know, on other civil war battlefields. The mechanics are the same but the maps are less detailed in exchange for more varietty.

The strategic layer gets a little tedious imo, but that's just me. You manage equipment and soldiers and there are light RPG elements as you build up a whole army brigade-by-brigade.

I believe Dreadnoughts is made by a different studio or a branch office and generally bears no resemblance to the other Ultimate ___ titles

sullat
Jan 9, 2012

Slim Jim Pickens posted:

The battles are like Gettysburg, but you know, on other civil war battlefields. The mechanics are the same but the maps are less detailed in exchange for more varietty.

The strategic layer gets a little tedious imo, but that's just me. You manage equipment and soldiers and there are light RPG elements as you build up a whole army brigade-by-brigade.

I believe Dreadnoughts is made by a different studio or a branch office and generally bears no resemblance to the other Ultimate ___ titles

It's fun but it can get a little silly at times on the multi-day battles. You can utterly annihilate Lee on the first day of Gettysburg and so his shattered remnants will still try and do pickett's charge on the third day. Or you can completely destroy Johnson on the first day of Shiloh and you'll still start the second day at Pittsburg Landing and outnumber him like 5 to 1 on the second day.

Minenfeld!
Aug 21, 2012



I went ahead and bought it. ty everyone.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold
ugh finally beat the spanish gold mission. one ship surrendered early in my second pass so i snatched it up and threw in the end of the battle line for same pass and then another ship surrendered and then sunk. the other two ships were promptly demasted and the battle was over by noon but took until 5 to complete because my ships were constantly locked in irons trying to get in position to board them

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

Slim Jim Pickens posted:

I didn't play that scenario but I bounced off UA: Age of Sail multiple times.

They've more or less abandoned it, yeah?

It's too bad, playing Salvo! as a kid was fantastic. There's so much potential for a good age of sail game, but the Total War games did it best in the modern era and Naval Action is tied to a godawful PVP model - war thunder on the high seas.

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique


This is a goon project I would actually be on board with.

KomradeX
Oct 29, 2011

Slim Jim Pickens posted:

The very first UG game was a version of Gettysburg with some 30 branching paths and alternate history scenarios which I had fun exploring. A much more limited version of that made it into UG: Civil War, which is understandable but sad.

Is Gettysburg better than the full Civil War one? That's the impression I've gotten from some streams of them I've seen

sullat
Jan 9, 2012

Frosted Flake posted:

They've more or less abandoned it, yeah?

It's too bad, playing Salvo! as a kid was fantastic. There's so much potential for a good age of sail game, but the Total War games did it best in the modern era and Naval Action is tied to a godawful PVP model - war thunder on the high seas.

Sid Meier's pirates did it best

atelier morgan
Mar 11, 2003

super-scientific, ultra-gay

Lipstick Apathy

Frosted Flake posted:

This is a goon project I would actually be on board with.

Grey Hunter did basically that with war in the pacific, im sure the LP is in the archive and/or goldmined

Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010

He did it twice

sullat
Jan 9, 2012

Mantis42 posted:

He did it twice

Also he ran a ww1 battle where goons played the part of the generals. It was pretty great to watch them re-make all of the major mistakes that the actual generals made.

atelier morgan
Mar 11, 2003

super-scientific, ultra-gay

Lipstick Apathy

Mantis42 posted:

He did it twice

lmao didnt know that, i stopped following his threads when i lost my office job

Slim Jim Pickens
Jan 16, 2012

Frosted Flake posted:

They've more or less abandoned it, yeah?

It's too bad, playing Salvo! as a kid was fantastic. There's so much potential for a good age of sail game, but the Total War games did it best in the modern era and Naval Action is tied to a godawful PVP model - war thunder on the high seas.

I guess? It seems more or less feature-complete, there weren't glaring bugs or WIP stuff like in Dreadnought.

KomradeX posted:

Is Gettysburg better than the full Civil War one? That's the impression I've gotten from some streams of them I've seen

It's way more detailed, the downside is just that it's a single battle. The combat feels more grounded, fighting around more distinct landmarks or between units with more character, though the mechanics are similar.

atelier morgan
Mar 11, 2003

super-scientific, ultra-gay

Lipstick Apathy
UGCW is great because you get really attached to your guys and curse loudly when your cautiously shepherded elites get chopped up along with a handful of officers that you really can't afford to replace even though it won you the battle

my dad
Oct 17, 2012

this shall be humorous
I tried out Ultimate Admirals: Dreadnoughts at some point.

I played the earliest start as Austria-Hungary, made hundreds upon hundreds upon hundreds of the fastest torpedo boats I could build, and paired them up with cruisers with maxed out operational range and highest caliber guns they could carry. The results were hilarious and unexpected - I won.

V. Illych L.
Apr 11, 2008

ASK ME ABOUT LUMBER

sullat posted:

Also he ran a ww1 battle where goons played the part of the generals. It was pretty great to watch them re-make all of the major mistakes that the actual generals made.

wasn't this trin tragula, or am i misremembering?

i managed to get my whole division except for a single 75mm battery killed in the initial battle. i am not, it turns out, a good general

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my dad
Oct 17, 2012

this shall be humorous
Trin Tragula later ran the same kind of game.

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