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Perry Mason Jar
Feb 24, 2006

"Della? Take a lid"
It's probably insanely bad that the Qanon right has hijacked child sex trafficking "conspiracy theories", right? Like The Sound of Silence coming out is just literally insanely bad for vulnerable children and very, very good for the powerful pedophiles abusing and trafficking them, yes? Just feels worth pointing out.

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Azathoth
Apr 3, 2001

Perry Mason Jar posted:

It's probably insanely bad that the Qanon right has hijacked child sex trafficking "conspiracy theories", right? Like The Sound of Silence coming out is just literally insanely bad for vulnerable children and very, very good for the powerful pedophiles abusing and trafficking them, yes? Just feels worth pointing out.

qanon is an op specifically designed to discredit victims of sex trafficking. whether that was the purpose from the start or the IC hijacked something organic is an open question

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/incontextmedia/status/1677302025342550019

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

Zodium posted:

i killed jfk


:banjo: When after all :bravo2:
:drum: It was you and me :twisted:

Clever Moniker
Oct 29, 2007




MonsieurChoc posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gaGEmMCGLBU

Love that the concert is now a generic peace concert instead of one specifically supporting a leftist anti-colonialist government. Probably won't mention the thugs that tried to kill him were sent by the CIA either.

Lol. Or the thug that did end up killing him.

Marenghi
Oct 16, 2008

Don't trust the liberals,
they will betray you
I think it in this thread I learnt about the CIA killing Bob Marley and went looking into his background of anti-colonialism and pan-africanism which was becoming popular at the time of this last concert. To the point it was mentioned in US state documents as a threat for black liberation in the US.

That whole history just got memory holed, and the history of gun violence within the country was re-written. It's just accepted that Jamaica has always been violent, and if you read into it lots of sources mention how it's murder rate was one of the lowest in the world at independence in 1962, and by the 2000s was one of the highest. Which seems to be trying to create the impression that violence drew directly from independence, as though the people were unable to self-govern and were better off as a colony. But if you look when the murder rate and violence started to climb it didn't start until the late 70s when the US started supplying the neoliberal opposition with guns. And it really started to climb in the 80s when the CIA was directly supplying, and training drug gangs aligned to that same party.

It's similar in Haiti where people just accept the gun violence as their natural state. And nobody asks why gangs aligned to the US puppet in charge who engage in terrorism which benefits the US puppet, are able to get their hands on vast amounts of US made assault rifles.

DesertIslandHermit
Oct 7, 2019

It's beautiful. And it's for the god of...of...arts and crafts. I think that's what he said.
I don't think Qanon is an psyop but essentially it was just an angry pro-Trump conspiracy group that caught the attention of the likes of Bannon, Flynn and Stone who love fanning those flames to keep people engaged. But Bannon absolutely went all in on that to distract that he almost released a pro-Epstein documentary that disappeared into the wind when Epstein got arrested.

Best Friends
Nov 4, 2011

If you’re an American very partisan right winger you kind of need to develop a framework for why your side’s pedos are actually deep cover heroes stopping the pedos. something like qanon was inevitable when trump himself became the guy since he has personal Epstein connections.

in contrast, contemporary liberalism is all about saying The System Is Good. so, partisan liberals don’t need to make a liberal version of qanon. everything to do with Epstein outside of what was very strictly proven in court is simply and obviously ‘misinformation.’

animist
Aug 28, 2018

Best Friends posted:

If you’re an American very partisan right winger you kind of need to develop a framework for why your side’s pedos are actually deep cover heroes stopping the pedos. something like qanon was inevitable when trump himself became the guy since he has personal Epstein connections.

in contrast, contemporary liberalism is all about saying The System Is Good. so, partisan liberals don’t need to make a liberal version of qanon. everything to do with Epstein outside of what was very strictly proven in court is simply and obviously ‘misinformation.’

just like JFK!

rodbeard
Jul 21, 2005

Qanon is a pretty clever way of entertaining all the conspiracy nuts who don't usually bother to vote but all came out for Trump in 2016.

All the evidence points to it being just a generic 4chan hoax until it got hijacked by the Watkins family when it moved to 8chan, a website that allows child porn on "free speech" grounds and was started by a guy who made his fortune running a porn website in the Philippines for content that was illegal in Japan. It definitely got spun up into an actual psyop when Bannon and Stone got involved around the time Epstein was killed.

LIVE AMMO COSPLAY
Feb 3, 2006


Welp. At least he'll definitely release the ufo files

The Kingfish
Oct 21, 2015


I’m actually laughing. what’s the best book to read on the jfk coup?

Good Soldier Svejk
Jul 5, 2010

LIVE AMMO COSPLAY posted:

Welp. At least he'll definitely release the ufo files

they're the same files

mdemone
Mar 14, 2001

The Kingfish posted:

I’m actually laughing. what’s the best book to read on the jfk coup?

devil's chessboard

edit: then the "hidden history" book by Lamar Waldron

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

Good Soldier Svejk posted:

they're the same files

same as the COVID files

SARS-Cordyceps
May 15, 2022

by vyelkin

Riot Bimbo posted:

also it's sloppy because the cia is run in the exact way insane dogmatic free market capitalists would run something. This was especially so back then. It's about throwing money at a problem and watching a bunch of semi-autonomous cells who are accountable to basically no one scramble to get the job done. In the consolidation of "what happened" after the fact, there are tons of weird loose threads because the left hand doesn't know what the right hand is doing, hth

The Atomic Man-Boy
Jul 23, 2007

DesertIslandHermit posted:

I don't think Qanon is an psyop but essentially it was just an angry pro-Trump conspiracy group that caught the attention of the likes of Bannon, Flynn and Stone who love fanning those flames to keep people engaged. But Bannon absolutely went all in on that to distract that he almost released a pro-Epstein documentary that disappeared into the wind when Epstein got arrested.

A psyop doesn’t need to be started by some higher-ups, it’s pretty easy to hijack organic movements to defang them or turn them even more reactionary. The various deep state institutions have armies worth shitposters, and if 4chan isn’t essentially run by them, they aren’t doing their job well.

Ace of Baes
Jul 7, 1977
qanon grew out of pizzagate which was like a super obvious psyop to smoke and mirrors all the insane poo poo in those emails, about the podesta's, which led people to looking into Epstein and Clinton etc. I don't know if the leaked emails were part of a limited hangout or not but pizzagate as a 'movement' was very obviously a psyop of some kind meant to taint the well that later grew into qanon, I think it's highly effective too, you can't really talk to normal liberals about this stuff in depth without sounding like a million other cranks

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

mawarannahr posted:

same as the COVID files

COVID was leaked from a lab in Alpha Centauri

rodbeard
Jul 21, 2005

Ace of Baes posted:

qanon grew out of pizzagate which was like a super obvious psyop to smoke and mirrors all the insane poo poo in those emails, about the podesta's, which led people to looking into Epstein and Clinton etc. I don't know if the leaked emails were part of a limited hangout or not but pizzagate as a 'movement' was very obviously a psyop of some kind meant to taint the well that later grew into qanon, I think it's highly effective too, you can't really talk to normal liberals about this stuff in depth without sounding like a million other cranks

If you spent too much time on 4chan growing up pizzagate has all the hallmarks of a 4chan troll, but yeah a lot of people jumped in on it because it was useful.

Perry Mason Jar
Feb 24, 2006

"Della? Take a lid"
The leaks which lead to pizzagate started with Trump money to wag the dog with respect to his own then soon-to-be-released Epstein-related court file transcripts with testimony from a Jane Doe. Problem was, it was all true. Because it's anonymously guided, those who had been exposed also utilized the conspiracy web - they themselves terming it "pizzagate" - to spin it towards absurdity. And then everyone else got in on it, too, why not. You can imagine some small message board with a Trump FBI operative, some DNC retired intel agent turned private investigator, and a CIA trafficker all pushing each other to and fro trying to massage the story to their own gain. Trump won that one, too, in the end. Along with whoever(s) has the reins of the QAnon op at the moment.

ChopnDrop
Jul 8, 2023

by vyelkin

Perry Mason Jar posted:

It's probably insanely bad that the Qanon right has hijacked child sex trafficking "conspiracy theories", right? Like The Sound of Silence coming out is just literally insanely bad for vulnerable children and very, very good for the powerful pedophiles abusing and trafficking them, yes? Just feels worth pointing out.

https://twitter.com/AcesandEightsTX/status/1677462386653970434

https://twitter.com/EndWokeness/status/1677447851973001216

https://twitter.com/EndWokeness/status/1677162301365932033

https://twitter.com/Honkamoto1775/status/1677163594675363845

Perry Mason Jar
Feb 24, 2006

"Della? Take a lid"
Yeah I didn't want to post Posobiec but since you brought up Bramesco

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1677297575227973632?s=20

Mola Yam
Jun 18, 2004

Kali Ma Shakti de!
do i have to hand it to tim ballard? i don't want to hand it to tim ballard.

LIVE AMMO COSPLAY
Feb 3, 2006

Welcome to the forums new poster

Gumball Gumption
Jan 7, 2012

The movie mentions adrenochrome

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

LIVE AMMO COSPLAY posted:

Welcome back to the forums new poster

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

Perry Mason Jar posted:

Yeah I didn't want to post Posobiec but since you brought up Bramesco

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1677297575227973632?s=20

cant even spell the country right lol

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

wait the Jim Caviezel movie is set in Colombia

of course a US neo-colony has sex trafficking

the spooky stuff here is deeper than just QAnon

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Underground_Railroad

quote:

Another documentary from director Nick Nanton, Operation Toussaint, was produced in 2018 which featured an operation in Haiti that had the support of Haitian President Jovenel Moïse and former US congresswoman Mia Love of Utah. Deseret News movie critic Josh Terry described Operation Toussaint as "an engrossing and expert production" but also said it "feels more like a promotional film than a strictly traditional documentary."

quote:

Tim Ballard and Katherine, his wife, have nine children, ages 23 to 6. Two children, sold to Ballard, in a sting operation, in Haiti, were adopted by Tim Ballard.[52]

Tim Ballard loves Haiti

https://www.ldsliving.com/lds-congr...ficking/s/85522

quote:

“At first, I just listened as he talked about what he was going to do for his country,” she said. “He talked about agriculture, and he talked about the conflicts he would like to have resolved. We then talked about Operation Underground Railroad, and I asked if he was aware that there are privately funded people here who help support the orphanages and safe homes in Haiti. He was aware and seemed incredibly receptive to working with us.”

Timothy Ballard was also pleased with the meeting and is optimistic about the growing relationship with the Haitian government.

“We didn’t know what to expect, but it played out exactly as we hoped it would,” he said. “The president had a lot to tell us about his plan to grow the country economically, which is perfect because that’s one of our goals as well. One of the major catalysts for trafficking is poverty and desperation.”

As a result of the meeting, President Moïse has authorized Operation Underground Railroad to be involved in coordinating and taking down trafficking operations in Haiti and to advise his existing officers in the border regions. He also pledged to ensure that traffickers who are arrested in Haiti are prosecuted appropriately.

Love and Ballard also extended an invitation to the president and his chief of staff to visit Washington D.C. and Utah.

“The president is passionate, and you can tell that he really loves his country. I think he will be an active participant in our efforts to stop sex trafficking,” Love said. “This is the very beginning of the relationship between Haiti and Operation Underground Railroad, and I was pleased that I could make that connection.”

Ballard added, “Haiti is the only country in the history of the world that gained its independence through a slave rebellion. They rose up and created an independent nation and became one of the first countries to eradicate slavery. With such an inspiring history, we are calling upon Haiti to again join the fight to help us end the sex slavery that plagues our world today."

Les Os
Mar 29, 2010
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zpK-sMyuJM

This is the JFK portion of I think the longest conspiracy doc out there(?) The whole thing used to be up on YouTube but can’t find it at the moment. Full things available on the internet archive. I couldn’t tell you its thesis but excellent poo poo to fall asleep to

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

Sound of Freedom is some psyop poo poo

https://twitter.com/FluorescentGrey/status/1677394168354578454?s=20
https://twitter.com/FluorescentGrey/status/1677394998143377409?s=20

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019


Origins and funding

Geesey said the Alejandro Monteverde-directed film was originally produced by 20th Century Studios, but Disney put the project on hold after acquiring the company in 2019, and Angel Studios subsequently adopted it.

The Utah-based production company was launched in 2021 by the Harmon brothers, whose previous projects include a marketing firm that made “adorable ads about disgusting things,” as The Washington Post put it, and VidAngel, a streaming service that lets users censor objectionable material from mainstream movies. (VidAngel’s library shrank after it settled a lawsuit brought by major Hollywood studios).

Using a mix of crowdfunding and partnerships with investors, Angel Studios has previously distributed projects including the small box office success “His Only Son” and “The Chosen,” a streaming series about the life of Christ whose makers claim has been watched hundreds of millions of times.

The studio also produces a comedy show and an animated drama project called “Tuttle Twins,” which features a time-travelling grandma who teaches her grandkids about freedom and economics.

And now — at least briefly — Angel Studios has one of the top movies in the country.

“It definitely exceeded our expectations,” said Geesey, who added that “the message of freedom” clearly resonated with its Independence Day release.
“We thought what better time to really highlight and celebrate the Fourth of July,” he said.

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

Speaking at a QAnon-affiliated conference in Oklahoma in 2021, the actor said Ballard wanted to join him but “he’s down there saving children as we speak, because they’re pulling kids out of the darkest recesses of hell right now, in … all kinds of places, uh, the adrenochroming of children.”

The moderator asked him to elaborate. “If a child knows he’s going to die, his body will secrete this adrenaline,” Caviezel said, his voice catching. “These people that do it, there’ll be no mercy for them. This is one of the best films I’ve ever done in my life. The film is on Academy Award level.”

LIVE AMMO COSPLAY
Feb 3, 2006

Why does it always turn out to be projection

The Atomic Man-Boy
Jul 23, 2007

LIVE AMMO COSPLAY posted:

Why does it always turn out to be projection

I went to Shanghai once about a decade ago, then I went back just before Covid and my friend who lived there said “See? The streets are much cleaner since the last time you came, and there are no homeless people this time.”

I replied to him that that usually is a bad thing. it wasn’t until I came home that I realized I’d been a dumbass.I knew that in cities in the US, they deal with homeless people by rounding them up and shipping them out of sight. I was so used to how the world works in my environment that I didn’t realize the obvious: they built a bunch of homes for the homeless in China. It seemed such an impossibility that it didn’t enter my mind. I had projected my experiences onto a completely different environment.

I relate this anecdote because projection isn’t always just a response to deal with a guilty conscious, sometimes you project because ether it’s what you would do or because your experience tells you that’s how the world works.

The right wing ecosystem projects everything as a pedo trafficking conspiracy or a false flag terrorism because doing those things are necessary to be on top of a capitalist system. Economic elites are fundamentally pedophilic, and conspire with each other keep the proletariat down, it’s the way it works to them. They produce media that hates on trans people and minorities because it’s a tried and true tactic, and then add the pedophillia accusation because they can’t understand people being any other way.

The Atomic Man-Boy has issued a correction as of 09:37 on Jul 8, 2023

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

quote:

Haiti teems with orphans, brown-eyed children, who scramble for survival. Orphans are Haiti’s most flourishing crop. Even before the earthquake, of Haiti’s 8.3 million population, it is estimated that 380,000 of them were orphans. Now, no one can be sure of the number, as these children roam the streets and crouch untended in hidden corners, but guesses are that number may have doubled.

Our LDS team has seen a truck bed full of babies, too dazed to whimper, too hungry to cry anymore expecting that someone will care for them. Two boys, newly orphaned by the quake, come into the military camp where we live, hoping to tell a joke or sing a song to find a meal.

So with this heart-rending problem, one would think the Haitian government would expedite the adoption process, and get these children into homes where they could be cared for. Not so. The adoption process in Haiti is gummed up with red tape, hurdles to cross, and frustrating delays.
https://latterdaysaintmag.com/article-1-2639/

Normal way to refer to kids

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/upholdreality/status/1677486524563070977?t=UAgjg776K9RJ4UINVQIoXw&s=19

Futanari Damacy
Oct 30, 2021

by sebmojo
I started following RFK Jr. on twitter because I also follow Lisa Pease but I unfollowed as soon as he posted a pro-crypto tweet :sigh:

Still not sure what the deal is with the guy, he seems like he's trying to earnestly triangulate positions that are palatable to a wider audience (pandering). I guess we'll know how authentic he is by whether anything happens to him

The Atomic Man-Boy
Jul 23, 2007

I think he’s trying to set himself up to be Trumps’s running mate. He’s following Trump’s populist model of “complain about the bad stuff but not be in favor of any policies that’ll fix anything.”

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Futanari Damacy
Oct 30, 2021

by sebmojo
Trump/Kennedy is a head exploding thought, no pun intended

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