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DeepDickPizza posted:Good news, Cubs fans! Miles Mastrobuoni is back! dansby on IL 
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Who would you like the Cardinals to sell off? They are a weird mix of young guys and old dudes so not going to exactly get great returns for the most part.
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Jul 8, 2023 17:26
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I don’t think anyone watching Judge run into that gate had any idea it was going to be this impactful. That’s just terrible luck.
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Hand Row posted:Who would you like the Cardinals to sell off? They are a weird mix of young guys and old dudes so not going to exactly get great returns for the most part. lol Goldy and Arenado could not be any more obvious trade candidates.
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Jul 8, 2023 17:39
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Goldschmidt yea but I dunno why you would sell off the team. Just like you know actually sign pitching this time around and get a new manager.
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Jul 8, 2023 17:43
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Just go out and sign 5 decent starters and an all new bullpen, no problem
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Jul 8, 2023 17:45
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Wait, if I'm doing the math right there, does that mean they have a team OBP of .380 in that span? That's pretty good and makes for some crazy ISOs.
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Hand Row posted:Goldschmidt yea but I dunno why you would sell off the team. Just like you know actually sign pitching this time around and get a new manager. Tank fetish.
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Jul 8, 2023 18:24
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Just sign Madier Yolina to a one year prove it contract.
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Hand Row posted:Who would you like the Cardinals to sell off? They are a weird mix of young guys and old dudes so not going to exactly get great returns for the most part. Montgomery and flaherty for sure. They both expire at the end of the year, Montgomery in particular has been the best pitcher in the rotation this year and would be a good pickup for an actual contender. Like the dodgers or astros? I don’t know that there would be much return on the bullpen dudes but none of them should be be off limits aside from, I don’t know, Zach Thompson. And he should be starting next year anyway. Tyler O’Neill, Dylan Carlson, Alec burleson, and maybe a guy like Brendan Donovan are all guys who should be getting thrown in. If they actually wanted to tear it down, Goldschmidt should be moved too, next year is his last one on this deal. They’re gonna try and extend him I think. I’d be happy to move arenado if the return was good but I don’t think it would be right now. If I thought there was a way out from under Contreras I’d be fine with it but this is about as low of a value as he could possibly have
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Jul 8, 2023 18:30
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Well if you think this is a capable roster that is just having an anomalous season and the team can somehow become good next year then don't sell anyone. This Cardinals pitching staff ain't winning poo poo, though.
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Jul 8, 2023 18:35
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Arenado has a full no-trade clause. He also just opted into 5/144 the same offseason Machado got 11/350 after threatening to opt out in a year.
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Jul 8, 2023 18:36
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DeepDickPizza posted:Well if you think this is a capable roster that is just having an anomalous season and the team can somehow become good next year then don't sell anyone. This Cardinals pitching staff ain't winning poo poo, though. seems like that calculation has always been built on the Central largely being full of fuckups but Cincinnati attempting to actually be good for once might throw it off
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Jul 8, 2023 18:41
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elentar posted:seems like that calculation has always been built on the Central largely being full of fuckups but Cincinnati attempting to actually be good for once might throw it off I don't think Cincinnati is very good, either. It's nice to see them have a run, but they have a lot of glaring holes. It's easy to see how every NL Central GM could find themselves in a state of choice paralysis stuck with a middling roster in a division that is garbage from top to bottom and could be won by anyone.
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Jul 8, 2023 18:51
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DeepDickPizza posted:Good news, Cubs fans! Miles Mastrobuoni is back! He hit a double and scored in his first PA
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Jul 8, 2023 18:55
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DeepDickPizza posted:Well if you think this is a capable roster that is just having an anomalous season and the team can somehow become good next year then don't sell anyone. This Cardinals pitching staff ain't winning poo poo, though.
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Jul 8, 2023 19:08
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Goldschmidt I could see being traded but trading Arenado would be insane. Goldschmidt is amazing all around but Arenado is wayyy too good and seems to love playing there.
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DeepDickPizza posted:Well if you think this is a capable roster that is just having an anomalous season and the team can somehow become good next year then don't sell anyone. This Cardinals pitching staff ain't winning poo poo, though. I agree but I don’t feel that way. The Reds will probably be better next year and they already look decent at worst now. I think that they should be moving anybody who isn’t nailed down to try and replenish the coffers. Idk
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Jul 8, 2023 19:19
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Two decent starting pitchers and two low era/whip relievers would do wonders for the team tbh even though that’s a bit harder to get than it sounds on paper.
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Jul 8, 2023 19:21
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They should at minimum fire the new pitching coach. I am not a huge Mike Maddux fan but the dropoff cannot be solely blamed on Willson Contreras (which I think is silly anyways). Mozeliak has constructed this roster like an insane person regardless. There are so many redundancies and forcing guys to learn new positions that leads to bad defense. Goldschmidt needs to be moved at the deadline to bring in more Top 100 talent, which the Cardinals always seem to have but their development frequently stalls once they get to the bigs (unless they are traded to another team in which case they become Cy Young and MVP candidates).
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Jul 8, 2023 19:31
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I really like Maddux and have to assume he saw the writing on the wall when he decided to not come back. It surprised me at the time but in retrospect makes complete sense. It’s a shame too because I think he would be the right guy to work with not just all of the current pitching struggles in general but Flaherty in specific. Throughout the years as soon as Maddux got his hand on a shoulder you knew the pitcher was about to settle down lol.
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Jul 8, 2023 19:51
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Guess I’m okay with moving Goldy as long as we keep Gorman and especially Noot, if only for the name Nooooooooooooot
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Jul 8, 2023 20:01
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If they trade Gorman and Noot I will become a Cubs fan. e: lol noot just stole a home run from vaughn as I sent that nooooooooooot
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Jul 8, 2023 20:06
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My running joke with my father was that every time Mike Maddux went out to the mound he was telling the pitcher which family members they would never see again if they didn't settle down.
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Jul 8, 2023 20:08
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DeepDickPizza posted:Good news, Cubs fans! Miles Mastrobuoni is back! I woke up to this and the Cubs losing 6-1, lmao.  https://twitter.com/Michael_Cerami/status/1677680946546368521 4 IP 4 ER again today, so the trend continues. Probably not shaping up to be the flip candidate Jed was hoping for.
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Marcade posted:My running joke with my father was that every time Mike Maddux went out to the mound he was telling the pitcher which family members they would never see again if they didn't settle down. Dark Maddux where the hand on the shoulder is followed up with “the grip you feel on your shoulder is nothing compared to the grip I have on everything you hold dear”.
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Mike_V posted:Goldschmidt needs to be moved at the deadline to bring in more Top 100 talent, which the Cardinals always seem to have but their development frequently stalls once they get to the bigs (unless they are traded to another team in which case they become Cy Young and MVP candidates). They should trade Goldschmidt for more guys who are going to stall out?
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Goldy for Judge straight up
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Christe Eleison posted:I don’t think anyone watching Judge run into that gate had any idea it was going to be this impactful. That’s just terrible luck. It wasn't bad luck that a 300 million dollar team is so dependent on 1 player though. It was really bad roster construction.
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live with fruit posted:They should trade Goldschmidt for more guys who are going to stall out? Yes, that is exactly what I want. Obviously I want a change in the front office and organizational philosophy as almost every Cardinals fan who posts on here has said over the past several seasons.
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Jul 8, 2023 20:39
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As a non-Cardinals fan, I see them firing Marmol and hiring Melvin after Preller scapegoats him in San Diego and then winning the 24 World Series.
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Nah Ohtani’s Giants will crush the Cards in the NLCS (and I’ll be here for it)
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Tayter Swift posted:Nah Ohtani’s Giants will crush the Cards in the NLCS (and I’ll be here for it) I stand corrected, though I still think it'd go 7 games.
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I love Detr0it
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Are these Madden create a players?
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mcmagic posted:Are these Madden create a players? Manning was a 1st rounder out of high school a while back and been injured a lot, but Foley and Lange have been the 8th/9th inning guys for the Tigers all season and have been great (save for a couple of clunkers).
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N: I'm so loving tired
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I will go to my grave arguing that a combined no-hitter is a better accomplishment than a 1 pitcher no-hitter.
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