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Business Insider, via MSNBC: Ukraine marks 500 days of war by admitting it blew up Russia's bridge to Crimeaquote:A top Ukrainian defense official marked 500 days of war on Saturday by admitting responsibility for an attack last year that seriously damaged Russia's bridge to the occupied Crimea Peninsula.
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gradenko_2000 posted:Business Insider, via MSNBC: Ukraine marks 500 days of war by admitting it blew up Russia's bridge to Crimea humiliation for bridge opener putin
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Jul 10, 2023 00:21
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Regarde Aduck posted:depends on what you mean by pro-russian. If not wanting NATO to win makes one pro-russian then i guess yes there are but that seems a little reductive. There's a lot of bad poo poo Russia does. It's just there are a limited amount of nations that can stand up to the wests, and therefor NATO's, bullshit. The other one is China. I don't feel strongly about Russia, seems like a house of cards that are avoiding becoming consumed in neoliberalism but only because there's a strongman keeping the parasites in check. And then there's the anti-lgbt stuff which is beyond the pale. I do feel strongly about stopping the west. That's way more important than being pro-[nation]. If Russia wins i'm sure they'll go straight back to their bullshit. They're utterly unreliable in the bigger fight with NATO vs China that is going to happen in the decades to come. Pro new multipolar world order is probably an umbrella that can cover most people on this thread. I don't want to be a hater and say "anti US order". BTW there are decent amount of posters whose parent generation can trace back to one of the socialist countries. Though I can't say how much because some posters don't like to talk about their own lives.
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Jul 10, 2023 00:31
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Jul 10, 2023 00:38
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Second Hand Meat Mouth posted:here's a map you bombed it, op
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Jul 10, 2023 00:46
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gradenko_2000 posted:Business Insider, via MSNBC: Ukraine marks 500 days of war by admitting it blew up Russia's bridge to Crimea mlmfep08: it still could be anyone. a deputy minister on an unofficial telegram account isn't enough confirmation. go ahead and believe random nobodies on the internet, i prefer to deal with solid info
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Jul 10, 2023 01:06
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I am pretty confident that one way or another, Ukraine is responsible for the Crimea Bridge attack.
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Jul 10, 2023 01:10
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is that the one where they murdered a civilian
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Jul 10, 2023 01:11
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euphronius posted:is that the one where they murdered a civilian more than one yeah
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looks like 5 deaths
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mlmp08 posted:I am pretty confident that one way or another, Ukraine is responsible for the Crimea Bridge attack.  ultimately, Russia is responsible
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Jul 10, 2023 01:16
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Did Ukraine fest up to Dugin's daughter?
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Jul 10, 2023 01:18
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I think that the people in the D&D thread have a pretty compelling argument that Ukraine is less likely to use these bombs to murder civilians than if they remain with the US, so on balance the transfer is a net good for the world
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Jul 10, 2023 01:19
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V. Illych L. posted:there is a geniune pro-russian contingent which posts itt. basically the ideological spectrum here contains everyone who's not a hardcore right-winger and who disagrees with ongoing NATO/US policy regarding the war. this, i think, is how it sort of has to be structurally, since even i with my quite mealy-mouthed position on this issue would probably have to rebuy my avatar if i ventured into any of the other threads I think there are two very different definitions of "pro-Russian" in this context. There's "pro-Russian" in the sense of "I think Russia is a good country/government and this war is some sort of benevolent crusade against nazism" and then there's pro-Russia in the specific context of the war, where someone thinks "Russia is better than Ukraine and it would be better for their side to win the war and have control over Ukraine's government" (and this position is usually defined more by really disliking Ukraine than by liking Russia). I can't think of many (any?) people who hold the former of these two positions. The closest thing would probably be people buying into the "eliminating nazis" part of the invasion justification, but even thos people don't seem to really think Russia is good.
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Jul 10, 2023 01:19
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the only correct position is to be anti-US and anti-NATO
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Russia is good and Putin is cute, sexy, hot.
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When NATO-allied forces, Ukraine included, use cluster munitions, they are employing an inexorable last resort in the name of preserving inviolable democratic values and human rights from the malevolent stranglehold of autocratic delusions. In sharp contrast, when Putin, or "Putler" as he's more fittingly named for embodying the ominous fusion of Putin's and Hitler's tyrannical dispositions, resorts to similar weaponry, it is an unequivocal manifestation of his trademark visceral disregard for the principles of non-aggression and civilian immunity encoded in the text and spirit of international law. Unlike NATO, which is enjoined by the North Atlantic Treaty to uphold the principles underpinning democratic society, the reiteration of Putler’s actions uncannily mirrors the Third Reich's Eastern Front in World War II, where brutality was unleashed under the guise of defending national interest. History bears harrowing testimony to Germany's reckless and dehumanizing saturation bombing of civilian territories, culminating in heartrending catastrophic human losses. Similarly, Putler is haunted by an insatiable Poltergeist-like craving to reinstate the once robust Russian sphere of influence in Eurasia, even if it entails throwing humanitarian concerns to the wind. Thus, it is no lip service when we justify the heightened pragmatism of NATO's actions, motivated by a sincere and genuine foundation of securing the gateways to a democratic future, as opposed to the retaliatory, aimless, and blood-lusting rambunctiousness of Putler and his ilk. The indulgence in cluster munitions underscores this stark dichotomy of intentionality, echoing the Orwellian wisdom that some are more equal than others. In the theatre of warfare, it points towards the polarizing manifestation of powers, that is, the defense of democratic sanctity versus the crude exhibition of hegemonic machinations. The intense dilemma and moral wrestling in Ukraine and NATO's decision to potentially spike future civilian casualties, while ostensibly incongruous with principles of humanitarian warfare, is ensconced deeply within the labyrinths of their foundational purpose – to safeguard democracy against the haunting spectres of totalitarianism. This dogged perseverance bears an eerie parallel to the violent throes of the Battle of Britain in 1940, where Churchill's decision to sustain incalculable civilian casualties stood as a bulwark against the unyielding onslaught of Hitler's Operation Sea Lion. In essence, self-preservation of a state's democratic fabric, gravely endangered by the marauding shadow of totalitarian regimes, at times necessitates this harsh pragmatism. Today, this confrontation is transmuted into Ukraine's defense against Putler's reincarnation of Hitler-esque expansionism. While the potential escalation of civilian casualties is deeply regrettable, it assumes a grim but necessary dimension as the bitter pill that Ukraine must swallow for warding off Putler's toxic imperialism. In this historiographical chessboard, NATO, much like the Allies during the siege of Britain, emerges as the unflinching sentinel of democratic integrity, even if it means navigating a storm-ridden battlefield peppered with bleak human costs. This is not a celebration of tragedy but a stark admission of the relentless quest to uphold democratic sanctity from Putler's shadowy Gestapo-like aggressions, thus differentiating their actions from those of despotic Russia.
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Jul 10, 2023 01:23
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 the orks have resorted to animal cruelty in order to shore up their defenses
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Ytlaya posted:I can't think of many (any?) people who hold the former of these two positions. The closest thing would probably be people buying into the "eliminating nazis" part of the invasion justification, but even thos people don't seem to really think Russia is good. Not the usual cspam crowd.
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the government is out to get you with 5g tho
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Ytlaya posted:I think there are two very different definitions of "pro-Russian" in this context. There's "pro-Russian" in the sense of "I think Russia is a good country/government and this war is some sort of benevolent crusade against nazism" and then there's pro-Russia in the specific context of the war, where someone thinks "Russia is better than Ukraine and it would be better for their side to win the war and have control over Ukraine's government" (and this position is usually defined more by really disliking Ukraine than by liking Russia). I mean, the latter of those definitions is really stupid too. There is no beautiful anti-western Ukrainian utopia at the end of this tunnel, even if Zelensky and co had fled/surrendered at the outset. There was no good ending for Ukraine.
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why do you think it's the only form of infrastructure they like to build
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galagazombie posted:There is no beautiful anti-western Ukrainian utopia at the end of this tunnel, even if Zelensky and co had fled/surrendered at the outset. There was no good ending for Ukraine. there'd uh.. be a lot more people alive though
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Starsfan posted:I think that the people in the D&D thread have a pretty compelling argument that Ukraine is less likely to use these bombs to murder civilians than if they remain with the US, so on balance the transfer is a net good for the world i think its more likely that they'd just sit in storage for another 30 years until some contractor is paid to dismantle them
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Second Hand Meat Mouth posted:When NATO-allied forces, Ukraine included, use cluster munitions, they are employing an inexorable last resort in the name of preserving inviolable democratic values and human rights from the malevolent stranglehold of autocratic delusions. In sharp contrast, when Putin, or "Putler" as he's more fittingly named for embodying the ominous fusion of Putin's and Hitler's tyrannical dispositions, resorts to similar weaponry, it is an unequivocal manifestation of his trademark visceral disregard for the principles of non-aggression and civilian immunity encoded in the text and spirit of international law. Unlike NATO, which is enjoined by the North Atlantic Treaty to uphold the principles underpinning democratic society, the reiteration of Putler’s actions uncannily mirrors the Third Reich's Eastern Front in World War II, where brutality was unleashed under the guise of defending national interest. History bears harrowing testimony to Germany's reckless and dehumanizing saturation bombing of civilian territories, culminating in heartrending catastrophic human losses. Similarly, Putler is haunted by an insatiable Poltergeist-like craving to reinstate the once robust Russian sphere of influence in Eurasia, even if it entails throwing humanitarian concerns to the wind. Thus, it is no lip service when we justify the heightened pragmatism of NATO's actions, motivated by a sincere and genuine foundation of securing the gateways to a democratic future, as opposed to the retaliatory, aimless, and blood-lusting rambunctiousness of Putler and his ilk. The indulgence in cluster munitions underscores this stark dichotomy of intentionality, echoing the Orwellian wisdom that some are more equal than others. In the theatre of warfare, it points towards the polarizing manifestation of powers, that is, the defense of democratic sanctity versus the crude exhibition of hegemonic machinations. this
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galagazombie posted:I mean, the latter of those definitions is really stupid too. There is no beautiful anti-western Ukrainian utopia at the end of this tunnel, even if Zelensky and co had fled/surrendered at the outset. There was no good ending for Ukraine. the current government of ukraine are nazis OP
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liberals are psychopaths
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Jul 10, 2023 01:39
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Cuttlefush posted:there'd uh.. be a lot more people alive though but have you considered how different the map would look of this country i've never been to?? the very thought gives me a tummy ache!!
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Jul 10, 2023 01:40
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BULBASAUR posted:somebody post maps, its been cluster talk for days https://twitter.com/TheStudyofWar/status/1677846238723489792 We're 1 month into the offensive, the NATO stockpiles are empty, and Ukraine is still measuring progress in hundreds of meters. Anyone know how British media covered The Somme while it was happening in 1916? Might be an interesting comparison.
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https://twitter.com/pevchikh/status/1678008982563061761 russian liberal surprised that racist trolls are racist
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Jul 10, 2023 01:42
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galagazombie posted:I mean, the latter of those definitions is really stupid too. There is no beautiful anti-western Ukrainian utopia at the end of this tunnel, even if Zelensky and co had fled/surrendered at the outset. There was no good ending for Ukraine. That's right. Ukraine is a country stuck between to opposing blocs. There was no good ending for it. Don't know what this has to do with the wider implications though? The world will go on with or without Ukraine. What's more important is that the loss of life could have been minimized. And it wasn't. In fact the conflict has been purposefully engineered to be incredibly bloody. Ukraine the nation might not have survived but hundreds of thousands of actual human lives could have.
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Jul 10, 2023 01:42
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well there was a good ending available: align with Russia. or just be independent !
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galagazombie posted:I mean, the latter of those definitions is really stupid too. There is no beautiful anti-western Ukrainian utopia at the end of this tunnel, even if Zelensky and co had fled/surrendered at the outset. There was no good ending for Ukraine. Nobody (I hope) is naive enough to think this, but there would be a whole lot less civilian suffering if the war had been avoided at any cost instead of being championed by literally every Western government as some kind of anti-barbarian crusade that we all needed to get behind. Hell, even refusing to send weapons to Ukraine would have had a better outcome for Ukrainians, because it would have allowed Russia to roll over their army quicker and end the war in months rather than years.
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Jul 10, 2023 01:44
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Im drawing a blank on when this thread could be calling out "Nazi Mines" but I'm going to guess it was during the siege of Mariupol when Azov surrounded the city with them to the point that people couldnt be evacuated out of it, they refused to clear them to establish said evacuation corridors and then retreated to positions with civilian shelters in them when the poo poo hit the fan. Also some idiots saying that it was russia that put the mines there in the first place, because thats something you totally do, put mines in front of the territory you are about to siege. Thats a fair bit different than putting anti vehicle mines on no mans land since people can still evacuate through corridors that aren't mined to poo poo. Also I think that countries that dont sign anti personnel mine bans are terrible but the ones that do and then renege on their treaties to be worse.
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Jul 10, 2023 01:47
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If you can't win a war then you should lose it quickly so the nightmare isn't prolonged for the civilian population. Unless you're one of those clowns with the brain of an infant that really thinks Russia is going to genocide Ukraine for some unknown reason.
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Man the fact we are doing this again loving sucks lol E: Forget that link this is better https://twitter.com/AP/status/1677588472150872064 Death By The Blues has issued a correction as of 01:53 on Jul 10, 2023 |
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Death By The Blues posted:Man the fact we are doing this again loving sucks lol So is the Moonie Times praising the AfD win?  Not going to read their garbage.
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V. Illych L. posted:landmines are hosed up, horrible weapons which get lost all the time. they have a clearer military role than cluster munitions, however, and are typically (not always, sadly) individually placed with some kind of record. "Remote mining" is being used constantly in this war, these are rocket-launched mines. A common way it seems to be done is that the minefield is laid manually, then the enemy attempts to clear a path through the mine field, the cleared path is then remote mined by rocket-launched mines. This has sometimes been done during an attack, which prevents the armored vehicles from retreating. It's usually done afterwards though. These strategy has been used to good effect against Ukraine's summer offensive and against Russia's offensive in Ugledar. The crazy thing is that in Ugledar Russia had all the problems with the minefields that Ukraine is having now but somehow nobody learned anything. The one piece of good news is that these remote mines are usually launched into existing minefields, so they might be easier to clear, or at least put up those "minefield here" signs.
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Alpha 1 posted:https://twitter.com/TheStudyofWar/status/1666970725415100419 its been a month and they still haven't cleared the skirmish line
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