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What is the most powerful flying bug?
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🦋 15 3.71%
🦇 115 28.47%
🪰 12 2.97%
🐦 67 16.58%
dragonfly 94 23.27%
🦟 14 3.47%
🐝 87 21.53%
Total: 404 votes
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OhFunny
Jun 26, 2013

EXTREMELY PISSED AT THE DNC
‘Historic day’: Turkey’s Erdogan agrees to back Sweden’s NATO bid


quote:

Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has agreed to back Sweden’s bid to join NATO after a year of blocking the move, citing Turkish security concerns.

NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg announced on Monday that Erdogan agreed to forward Sweden’s membership bid to Turkey’s parliament.

No word on what Erdogan got besides that, "Turkey and Sweden would work closely on “counterterrorism coordination” and boost trade ties."

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Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

Frosted Flake posted:

It's so loving stupid, as if retention wasn't bad enough. They can barely get Reservists to stay and ride it out and the loving government is trying to cut the allowances and deployment tax exemption.

Neoliberals literally forget how and why things work in a way I can't really explain.



The Timmy Hoes in Kandahar was nicer, I'm not exaggerating.

e: also Gunners with beards posing for press photos, holding it in his goddamn right hand, while wearing his beret, Christ alive.

I thought you were doing an Insensitivity but then I realized that's probably just slang for a franchise that doesn't exist in my country

Also I assume the right hand must be free at all times for emergency jacking? What if he's a leftie??

Honest Thief
Jan 11, 2009
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1474770/Strategic_Mind_Spirit_of_Liberty/


quote:

Winter War: over 500,000 Soviet soldiers attack Finland, a country with a population of 3,700,000, and the Finns drive them back, inflicting 5 times their own casualties. Continuation War: the Reds return with a total strength of 1,500,000 - almost half of the entire Finnish population - and the Finns stop them again. Finland’s survival in these two brutal wars against an enemy so vast was a true historical miracle. A miracle of heroism and valor. A miracle of the Finnish spirit of liberty.


Lool

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Regarde Aduck posted:

but is that a mistake in the long term? Like would have just going shock and awe have ended the war before Ukraine runs out of Gen X and Millennials? Genuine question, I have no idea.

it's more likely that shock & awe campaigns are actually really stupid, super wasteful, and only work on a weakened enemy that can't sustain any meaningful resistance. When we did shock & awe on Iraq our munitions were massively depleted. Here's a chart that estimates the replenishment time for important Ukraine-related munitions:



If the Russians COULD do something like shock & awe then they would have. The war is going on for way too long to sustain that kind of action, though. They have to be measured in how they're expending firepower because they can't overburden their weapons industries and leave critical shortages at the front.

V. Illych L.
Apr 11, 2008

ASK ME ABOUT LUMBER

the idea, i think, is that military management is effectively the same as any other kind of management. there's a real utopianism here, a conviction that the optimally rational way of organising society is revealed to us through the leading edge of market actors and that this works. it ties into the more general liberal utopian idea of a society organised along purely formal (i.e. not substantive) evaluations - so e.g. you can say "religion should be respected", but not "lutheranism is the ethical principle of the state". this drive towards formalism locks it into a sort of detail-blindness where management is management. it doesn't matter that your job is to kill and die for your country, you're a middle-manager (or whatever) and with that follows a certain incentive structure which has been tested under the most rigorous circumstances, i.e. market competition.,

this also leads to stock exchanges determining alternative costs for social budgeting issues and a whole host of other things. it leads to maternity units throwing out new mothers as soon as they can, because they are governed as productive enterprises according to principles of enterprise management

KomradeX
Oct 29, 2011

I think its a little funny how Ukrianians love to claim the Kievan Rus as them, but really hate the inconvenient part about how the rulers of Keivan Rus fled to Moscow and ruled it

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

Slavvy posted:

I thought you were doing an Insensitivity but then I realized that's probably just slang for a franchise that doesn't exist in my country

Also I assume the right hand must be free at all times for emergency jacking? What if he's a leftie??

- Tim Hortons

- There is so much brass flying there for photo ops your hand might as well be glued to your head in a salute.

Comrade Koba
Jul 2, 2007

OhFunny posted:

No word on what Erdogan got besides that, "Turkey and Sweden would work closely on “counterterrorism coordination” and boost trade ties."

anyone who acts vaguely kurdish is going to end up in a black site

celadon
Jan 2, 2023

Frosted Flake posted:

- Tim Hortons

- There is so much brass flying there for photo ops your hand might as well be glued to your head in a salute.

can they make a special version of the beret with a fake hand already glued to it in salute

Fortaleza
Feb 21, 2008

Turkey could never join the EU without a unified Cyprus and that ain't gonna happen

Zodium
Jun 19, 2004

V. Illych L. posted:

the western ruling class is mostly directed from washington and NYC, but it resides in the capitals of all western countries and has a bunch of solidaristic organisations and clubs where they get together and meet. this is insanely expensive, but it's the most wealthy class in the history of the world so they can afford all sorts of quasi-academic conferences, semi-secret societies, seminars, symposia etc., which allows them to also make strong connections to the auxiliary classes and give them a taste

like, going to davos seems to be a pretty exciting thing for the busybody set. just the idea of getting to move in these circles is a very powerful motivator and disciplinary factor. the EU has a lot of the middle-to-upper-middle levels of this stuff, which you if you're serious enough can ride straight into the innermost circles of the western world.

V. Illych L. posted:

the idea, i think, is that military management is effectively the same as any other kind of management. there's a real utopianism here, a conviction that the optimally rational way of organising society is revealed to us through the leading edge of market actors and that this works. it ties into the more general liberal utopian idea of a society organised along purely formal (i.e. not substantive) evaluations - so e.g. you can say "religion should be respected", but not "lutheranism is the ethical principle of the state". this drive towards formalism locks it into a sort of detail-blindness where management is management. it doesn't matter that your job is to kill and die for your country, you're a middle-manager (or whatever) and with that follows a certain incentive structure which has been tested under the most rigorous circumstances, i.e. market competition.,

this also leads to stock exchanges determining alternative costs for social budgeting issues and a whole host of other things. it leads to maternity units throwing out new mothers as soon as they can, because they are governed as productive enterprises according to principles of enterprise management

that's right

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

celadon posted:

can they make a special version of the beret with a fake hand already glued to it in salute

Mr SuperAwesome
Apr 6, 2011

im from the bad post police, and i'm afraid i have bad news

Truga posted:

their currency is having a real bad time and eurobux would probably bring some stability

see also: greece

Neurolimal
Nov 3, 2012
I like all the local permutations of "shift clicking all your units and targeting the enemy capital"

VoicesCanBe
Jul 1, 2023

"Cóż, wygląda na to, że zostaliśmy łaskawie oszczędzeni trudu decydowania o własnym losie. Jakże uprzejme z ich strony, że przearanżowali Europę bez kłopotu naszego zdania!"

Zeppelin Insanity posted:

My favourite take on that was Arestovych actually, back while he was still Ukraine's golden boy. He said that if Ukraine doesn't defeat Russia, Russia will roll over all of Europe effortlessly because the Russian army will now be full of half a million Ukrainian supersoldiers.

Okay that's actually a hilarious way to resolve two inherently contradictory ideas.

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

The guy who got fired from RPS Flare Path brought my attention to a game about the Lavian War of Independence Comrades and Barons: Solitaire of Bloody 1919, which has a surprisingly honest title.

e: Game description is... less honest

The Great War has ended, but Europe is still being shaken by the political turmoil. Empires fall, socialist movements rise, new national states emerge on the ruins of the old world.

In the very end of the year 1918 the army of Soviet Russia attempts an offensive towards west. Their goal is to spark a communist uprising, that will start from eastern Germany and eventually consume entire Europe.

Relive events of the year 1919 and fight through enemy cards in six historical scenarios spanning from December 1918 to January 1920.

Frosted Flake has issued a correction as of 22:39 on Jul 10, 2023

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy

Mr SuperAwesome posted:

see also: greece

hey, greek currency was very stable during that time

like i said, it didn't help any (did the opposite), but average turk probably doesn't know that, and erdogan doesn't care

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

Slavvy posted:

I thought you were doing an Insensitivity but then I realized that's probably just slang for a franchise that doesn't exist in my country

Also I assume the right hand must be free at all times for emergency jacking? What if he's a leftie??

Frosted Flake posted:

- Tim Hortons

- There is so much brass flying there for photo ops your hand might as well be glued to your head in a salute.

Being a lefty is an advantage for this kind of jacking.

Slavvy
Dec 11, 2012

If the general walks in on you jacking off, what do you do?

Lefties don't need to choose

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

If I were in the army I would wear a fake Medal of Honor ribbon so generals would salute me

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

average Turk doesn't give a gently caress about eu. Erdogan even less so

DancingShade
Jul 26, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Fortaleza posted:

Turkey could never join the EU without a unified Cyprus and that ain't gonna happen

What's that USA Skippy? Give Cyprus to Turkiye because we don't need the Greeks? Let's go Skip!

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

As of the special operation of 1974, the Turkish Republic of Cyprus is its own nation and we must respect its self determination.

Ripperljohn
May 13, 2014

why would turkey joining the EU be a bad thing?

Alpha 1
Feb 17, 2012

Joe Biden posted:

“I think we have to lay out a rational path for Ukraine to be able to qualify to be able to get into NATO,” Biden said, noting that he refused Russian President Vladimir Putin’s demands before the war for a commitment not to admit Ukraine because the alliance has “an open-door policy.”

“But I think it’s premature to say, to call for a vote, you know, in now, because there’s other qualifications that need to be met, including democratization and some of those issues,” Biden said.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/07/09/politics/joe-biden-ukraine-nato-russia-cnntv/index.html

The war in Ukraine is the battle for the future of Democracy™, but Ukraine isn't democratic enough to join NATO lol. The fix is in for the Ukrainians.

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014




Ha I bet every cspammer thinks like this without even thinking about Russia's guilt HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

Ripperljohn posted:

why would turkey joining the EU be a bad thing?

it would be an embarrassment to turkey

speng31b
May 8, 2010

spacetoaster posted:

Ha I bet every cspammer thinks like this without even thinking about Russia's guilt HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

thats why cspam is closing at midnight

Regarde Aduck
Oct 19, 2012

c l o u d k i t t e n
Grimey Drawer

spacetoaster posted:




Ha I bet every cspammer thinks like this without even thinking about Russia's guilt HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

it would be amazing content but i fear both Ukraine and Russia have lost their best fighters at this point. Still they could probably sack Warsaw.

Frosted Flake
Sep 13, 2011

Semper Shitpost Ubique

spacetoaster posted:




Ha I bet every cspammer thinks like this without even thinking about Russia's guilt HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Are leaflet bombs technically cluster munitions?

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

spacetoaster posted:




Ha I bet every cspammer thinks like this without even thinking about Russia's guilt HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

https://youtu.be/HLiHocASA8o

Starsfan
Sep 29, 2007

This is what happens when you disrespect Cam Neely

spacetoaster posted:




Ha I bet every cspammer thinks like this without even thinking about Russia's guilt HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

well that ground flyer ends on an ominous note...

probably never going to trouble us here in the west though :)

Agnostalgia
Dec 22, 2009

god its so hard to keep up with all the new meme templates

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

Новости клики Тито posted:

If you believe the channels, Surovikin rode in to the special block of the Sailor's silence - and this is Surovikin's second visit. The first time Captain Surovikin came to the pre-trial detention center in August 1991, immediately after the State Emergency Committee - it was he who commanded a unit of armored personnel carriers, one of which crushed three people in the tunnel under Sadovoye.
At that time, they settled things: Yeltsin personally apologized to Major Surovikin - and he came out of jail clean and with a promotion.
We will, as one foreign agent says, observe.
(from t.me/slaboumieiotvaga1/11729, via tgsa)

mawarannahr
May 21, 2019

The Turkey-NATO Deal on Sweden is a Disaster.

NATO Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg announced that, just hours before NATO’s Vilnius Summit, he had finally done the impossible: Convinced Turkey’s President Recep Tayyip Erdogan to lift his veto on Sweden’s NATO accession.

President Biden’s team, working assiduously in the background, may want to share Stoltenberg’s supposed triumph.

They should not.

What NATO officials bill as a diplomatic masterstroke is actually a disaster in the making.

Put aside Turkey’s humiliation of Sweden and the erosion, at Erdogan’s behest, of free speech and democracy in that country. And put aside the hypocrisy of treating Kurds in Sweden as terrorists when Islamic State sympathizers in Turkey not only roam free but also populate Erdogan’s administration and Turkey’s intelligence service.

Rather, the problem appears to be a new quid pro quo.

Not only does Turkey now expect the lifting of most defense-related sanctions, but a Turkish official also said that Turkey now expects Europe to fast track its long moribund European Union accession process.

Put another way, Turkey used its presence inside NATO to paralyze the institution and profit off its de facto veto. To lift that veto, Stoltenberg and National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan now want to empower Turkey to paralyze the European Union and erode its democratic orientation from inside. It is no secret, for example, that Germany often caves to Turkish blackmail because it fears not only that Erdogan will unleash the floodgates of refugees into the heart of Europe but also because German intelligence officers believe that Erdogan controls terror cells among the Turkish diaspora in the heart of Germany.

Nor is the problem only terror cells. Less than a week ago, Devlet Bahceli, Erdogan’s chief coalition partner, declared, “Allah is one and his army is Turkish.”

The reality is that Stoltenberg’s deal kicks the can down the road but does nothing to dissuade Turkey from repeating its behavior on future NATO missions. If Erdogan walks away from his high-stakes poker with new concessions and chits to show his public, Stoltenberg guarantees that every future important NATO decision will be an opportunity for Turkish extortion.

The tragedy is greater, though. Ukraine is not the only European country that today faces foreign occupation. For almost half a century, Turkey has occupied one-third of Cyprus, a country that, for nearly three decades, has been a European Union member in good standing. Stoltenberg and Sullivan essentially appear now willing to trade a vibrant democracy for an action that is more symbolic than essential. After all, NATO loses little if Sweden remains outside but acts in close coordination until Erdogan’s demise.

Cyprus should not be a victim for European and American officials’ belief that statesmanship requires sacrifice. It increasingly is a key American security partner in the Eastern Mediterranean and its importance only grows. One Cyprus today is probably worth five Swedens, regardless of the still small size of the island nation’s army.

NATO leaders may back-slap each other in Vilnius, but they will soon rue the day. Giving Turkey any path to European Union membership absent an end to occupation and a change in political culture sets both a precedent of appeasement and an empowerment of a fundamentally anti-European regime for which Europe, NATO, and the United States will pay a far higher price than they imagine.

Zodium
Jun 19, 2004

lol if erdogan thinks he's getting in the eu

Death By The Blues
Oct 30, 2011
If they get in does it mean Turks are now white?

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

Kadyrov giving a shoutout to Murz's unit.

Kadyrov_95 posted:


(Click thumbnail to open video)
Here are the first fruits of the work of the legendary 4th brigade of the second army corps of the LPR and the special forces "Akhmat" in the Bakhmut direction. During the operational actions in the area of the settlement of Kleshcheyevka, five soldiers of the Armed Forces of Ukraine were captured. All this happened against the background of mass hysteria of the Ukrainian media that this settlement is under the fire control of the army of the Independent.

As the prisoners of war themselves admit, Kleshcheyevka is controlled by Russian troops contrary to rumors and speculation spread by the CIPSO. Earlier, some Ukrovoyaks stated that they had not seen the Akhmat special forces in the Bakhmut area. I believe that the AFU soldiers either have serious vision problems, or they decided to move significantly away from firing positions for reasons we understand. Otherwise, how to explain the fact that the soldiers of the special forces "Akhmat" see them, but they do not notice them at close range.

Other Ukrainian channels are full of headlines that our special forces are suffering heavy losses in Bakhmut, which is also another information stuffing of the CIPSO. Against the background of an unsuccessful counteroffensive and defeats in almost all key areas, the Ukrainian media are trying to compensate for the negative with similar news that has nothing to do with the real situation. In fact, the situation is the opposite. Our units operate very smoothly and clearly. You can see the obvious proof of this in these frames.

I express my gratitude to Apty Aronovich and all the fighters for their brave and selfless work on one of the most difficult sections of the front! While the Ukronat troops are inventing victories for themselves, our guys will achieve them in real combat. Akhmat is power! ALLAHU AKBAR!
(from t.me/RKadyrov_95/3751, via tgsa)

Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3
Nov 15, 2003

Death By The Blues posted:

If they get in does it mean Turks are now white?

turks have always been white they're the same as greeks

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Starsfan
Sep 29, 2007

This is what happens when you disrespect Cam Neely
Ukrainian twitter is celebrating the successful capture of Bakhmut and the 50,000 Russian soldiers that are said to be stationed in and around there (mass surrender / casualty event imminent?), Russian twitter is saying that the Ukrainians have actually went backwards over the last couple days over the burnt out remains of what was left of their western supplied equipment and everything is cool

quite the conundrum here. The two sides are fighting a war in different universes.

**I would just council everyone to take the patient approach to interpreting anything that is reported and check back in a week to see if it is still being claimed / seems important... although if 50,000 Russian troops do surrender to the Ukrainians and videos come out of thousands of them being led off you can probably take that at face value.

Starsfan has issued a correction as of 00:26 on Jul 11, 2023

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