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Just got back from the derby, was awesome. Highlights: - all the team's mascots were there - I saw billy the marlin - the entire stadium (myself included) booed the astros mascot - the entire stadium (myself included) cheered for the philly phanatic - It was real cool when Rutschman switched to batting right and still crushed them - Julio's moment was like 80% as satisfying as winning the whole thing would have been - vladdy nailed one of those outfield kids in the face, and I laughed real hard like a horrible person (they got up eventually)
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Bummer that Rutschman was bounced in the first round but he hit a "respectable" amount, switching sides and hitting 7/8 for home runs is a very cool move. I hope he's in it again next year.
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Its Rinaldo posted:Julio hit 41 home runs in a single round and set the new record Very on brand for a Mariner to break the opening round record only to miss getting to the finals.
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Jul 11, 2023 06:51
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Kirios posted:Very on brand for a Mariner to break the opening round record only to miss getting to the finals. This should be known as the Hamilton maneuver when you do something amazing in the first round but still somehow lose.
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Robert Jr apparently hurt his calf in the first round and will sit out the ASG and is DTD.
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Inspector_666 posted:Robert Jr apparently hurt his calf in the first roiand will sit out the ASG and is DTD. no apparently about it https://twitter.com/whitesox/status/1678875583151853571
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Jul 11, 2023 23:24
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The home run derby is stupid and no one should want players on their team to do it.
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Jul 11, 2023 23:42
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As a fan of THE CHAMP, you are wrong
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Jul 11, 2023 23:49
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After extensive tests and an MRI last night following the Home Run Derby Vladimir Guerrero Jr is confirmed to have "That Dog" in him, he is day to day
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Popete posted:After extensive tests and an MRI last night following the Home Run Derby Vladimir Guerrero Jr is confirmed to have "That Dog" in him, he is day to day He's having kind of a meh year. Maybe this will help but it's just as likely to do nothing or hurt. I'm still not exactly sure how good he is tbh. He's been a pretty fine player other than his one awesome year.
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Jul 11, 2023 23:55
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The Home Run Derby has nothing to do with second half performance and it never has.
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bawfuls posted:The Home Run Derby has nothing to do with second half performance and it never has. It does if you get hurt during it 
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I hope the WSox just choose not to come back after the break and forfeit the second half...
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Poque posted:It does if you get hurt during it Julio hurt himself but had a 2nd half wrc+ of 169 last season 
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I wanted to be a little sourpuss bitch so I decided to revisit some of my excellent thoughts from the Meet the Team thread for the cardinals. Bismack Billabongo posted:
Incorrect! Dude has been a total disaster. His hitting in June was not bad but every other month was awful. He definitely doesn’t deserve all the blame on account of the relentlessly stupid campaign by our front office and manager to make him look stupid and stuff but this has been a huge disaster. quote:1st Base: NL MVP Paul Goldschmidt quote:2nd Base: Brendan Donovan and Nolan Gorman quote:Shortstop: Tommy Edman quote:3rd Base: Nolan Arenado quote:Outfield Mystery Zone: Tyler O’Neill and Dylan Carlson quote:Right Field: Lars Nootbaar quote:Jordan Walker Bismack Billabongo posted:Adam Wainwright quote:Miles Mikolas quote:Jack Flaherty quote:Jordan Montgomery quote:Steven Matz quote:Jake Woodford quote:The bullpen is a strength quote:Manager: Oliver Marmol quote:President of Baseball Ops I Think: John Mozeliak
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Yo I feel you man but it's a good thing salt doesn't contain alcohol or half this thread would go permanently blind reading that
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Speaking of salt.... Prime missed opportunity by MLB to just start the NWO music and Tucker walking out like Scott Hall. https://twitter.com/MLBONFOX/status/1678916364386418688?s=20
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MrMidnight posted:Speaking of salt.... Astros fans still being suprised that everyone hates their rotten cheating team always makes me chuckle.
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Bismack Billabongo posted:Sean Murphy (decided to cheap out and not give up trade assets, signed Wilson Contreras instead, who sucks butt)! Unless you actually work in the FO I cannot recommend enough that you not get mad about trades that don't happen. You can't possibly know enough to know if it was the Cards' fault on that one!
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mcmagic posted:Astros fans still being suprised that everyone hates their rotten cheating team always makes me chuckle. Oh I think Yordan come by it honest
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Tayter Swift posted:Yo I feel you man but it's a good thing salt doesn't contain alcohol or half this thread would go permanently blind reading that Lol. Thank you. I thought it would be fun to revisit and it was fun. For me anyway
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Inspector_666 posted:Unless you actually work in the FO I cannot recommend enough that you not get mad about trades that don't happen. You can't possibly know enough to know if it was the Cards' fault on that one! The reporting from the local beat writer was that the As wanted either Brendan Donovan or Lars Nootbaar and Gordon graceffo (AAA pitcher). Normally I would say take beat writer reports with a grain of salt but the guy who reported it would rather die than speculate anything. If he reported it it’s because it’s been given to him directly by somebody in the organization lol. At any rate it was a mistake especially with the incredible pile of underachieving outfielders we have lying around
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I appreciate you BB. What a strange season it's been.
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Contreras is a lot like Javy in that a huge factor in his overall performance is vibes. He played like an AS in 2021 until the core was traded, and then he coasted the rest of the way. He played like an AS in the first half of 2022 trying to make the case for an extension, then when the Cubs put him on the block anyway he slumped miserably for two months, then bounced back a bit until all the media buzz hit about how the Cubs FO hated his game behind the scenes and would not even entertain bringing him back he started slumping again. I genuinely do not know how much of the tales of his pitching staff and game prep mismanagement are actually true behind the scenes, but all moving him off the primary catcher spot and publicly making GBS threads on him will do is cause him to do is sulk and not hit well at all. 
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Sydin posted:Contreras is a lot like Javy in that a huge factor in his overall performance is vibes. He played like an AS in 2021 until the core was traded, and then he coasted the rest of the way. He played like an AS in the first half of 2022 trying to make the case for an extension, then when the Cubs put him on the block anyway he slumped miserably for two months, then bounced back a bit until all the media buzz hit about how the Cubs FO hated his game behind the scenes and would not even entertain bringing him back he started slumping again. This is true to an extent, but Contreras' hitting isn't completely dependent upon bat speed like Javy's is. As we've seen, as Javy has gotten older and lost just a little bit of velocity to his swing, his offensive output cratered. Contreras seems to be rebounding a bit, at least, but I think he's been the victim of what seems like a pretty toxic and petty organization.
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^^^Yeah pretty much. If you’re gonna pay this dude eighty million dollars maybe give it more than a month before you start doing everything but say he’s not smart enough to play his position. Kilometers Davis posted:I appreciate you BB. What a strange season it's been. Thank you. I know my whining is probably unbearable. But drat does this team suck butt this season! Sydin posted:Contreras is a lot like Javy in that a huge factor in his overall performance is vibes. He played like an AS in 2021 until the core was traded, and then he coasted the rest of the way. He played like an AS in the first half of 2022 trying to make the case for an extension, then when the Cubs put him on the block anyway he slumped miserably for two months, then bounced back a bit until all the media buzz hit about how the Cubs FO hated his game behind the scenes and would not even entertain bringing him back he started slumping again. I think there is probably a fair amount of truth to him mismanaging stuff but it’s in comparison to like…the best pitch framer and game manager of my lifetime. He has been good offensively since June and deserves credit for pulling himself out of his tailspin but the defense has been bad and his vibes are royally hosed (again, this is obviously not his fault). It was a bad contract if the team is already wringing their hands over it but it’s definitely not all on him
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Bismack Billabongo posted:Thank you. I know my whining is probably unbearable. But drat does this team suck butt this season! The worst thing to me is that the team has had insanely bad luck on top of everything else. It seems like none of the random coin toss baseball things ever go their way. I genuinely think the second half of the season will be much better but god drat, it's a lot to take in lol.
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Poque posted:The Cardinals are poop, from a butt Very true and well said
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can you imagine the cardinals letting one of their supposedly great catching prospects get meaningful PT (and not letting andrew knizner float for 3 years)?
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Bismack Billabongo posted:I think there is probably a fair amount of truth to him mismanaging stuff but it’s in comparison to like…the best pitch framer and game manager of my lifetime. He has been good offensively since June and deserves credit for pulling himself out of his tailspin but the defense has been bad and his vibes are royally hosed (again, this is obviously not his fault). It was a bad contract if the team is already wringing their hands over it but it’s definitely not all on him I definitely though it was really weird that the Cardinals were so aggressively targeting Contreras. They were coming off the end of nearly 20 years of having one of the best catchers in MLB history in terms of game/pitcher management (something I admit even as a person who does not really care for Molina to put it lightly!) and to replace him they targeted a guy who, even under the most charitable interpretations, is passable at that stuff at best? It just seemed like way too huge of a culture shock to the organization and that they tried to justify it by saying "oh well we'll bring Yadi into spring training and also put him in Willson's speed dial so he can pick up all the secret tips" was just asinine. Contreras isn't some rookie ready to be molded into Molina like silly putty: he's a 31 year old veteran who's been in the league for almost eight seasons and has a very established game by this point. Timby posted:This is true to an extent, but Contreras' hitting isn't completely dependent upon bat speed like Javy's is. As we've seen, as Javy has gotten older and lost just a little bit of velocity to his swing, his offensive output cratered. Contreras seems to be rebounding a bit, at least, but I think he's been the victim of what seems like a pretty toxic and petty organization. Yeah I was really just talking about how both their performances are currently and have historically been pretty easily related to morale at any given time. They need that energy to thrive. But yes Javy also has huge bat speed reliance that made me personally super wary of signing him into his 30's and so far those seem to have born out, unfortunately.
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R.D. Mangles posted:is "dirty" craig kimbrel a hall of famer? He's got more saves than Dennis Eckersley
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R.D. Mangles posted:is "dirty" craig kimbrel a hall of famer? I think so. As long as he manages to stick around as a closer for another year or two he should move into 4th overall in career saves and he absolutely has the peak for a HoF closer, if not quite the career WAR total thanks to things getting rocky in his 30's.
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Bismack Billabongo posted:Lol. Thank you. I thought it would be fun to revisit and it was fun. For me anyway Thank you for revisiting it, you're a very funny writer and I like reading about your baseball thoughts. I can even forgive you for being a Cardinals fan. At least we're both suffering together this year. Definitely willing to back up the theory that the Cards FO's inexplicable, nonsensical smear campaign against their big offseason acquisition has had something to do with his subpar performance. It certainly seems like it can't be a coincidence that Contreras, who was beloved by Cubsposters, comes to the Cardinals and is almost immediately rear end. The Cubs FO doesn't strike me as savvy enough to be shelling teams with pieces on the verge of collapse, at least based on (again) the Cubsposters' statements about how the Cubs FO is trading away everything of remote value for basically no good reason. Redeye Flight fucked around with this message at 08:42 on Jul 12, 2023 |
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The Cubs-Contreras situation was really weird. He was a beloved team darling for many years, then in mid-season 2021 there started to be rumblings about the FO not being happy with him that just so happened to surface right around when Contreras publicly called out what he felt was a lack of effort in the clubhouse to the media just prior to the fire sale of the core. The Cubs then aggressively shopped him in 2022 and, failing to move him at the deadline, proceeded to absolutely trash him publicly as having none of the soft skills valued at his position to the point that they considered Tucker fuckin' Barnhart an upgrade. Then Contreras started talking publicly about how he was dreaming of being a Cardinal while still being a Cub and how his old org sucked and it just became this huge petty slapfight that made nobody look good, the Cubs FO least of all. It's clear that at some point Contreras had a falling out with Cubs management, I'm just not sure if it was specifically the incident in 2021 or if things had been simmering under the surface for a while that that was just the incident that caused everything to boil over. There was certainly no public indication prior to 2021 that the Cubs were unhappy with how Contreras worked with pitchers. Yeah Darvish kinda bounced off him and ended up partnering with Caratini instead, but on the other hand Hendricks constantly praised Willson's game calling and had him as a more or less personal catcher 2017-2021 during which he was a bonafide ace 4/5 years. Anyway I sincerely hope that Contreras goes on to have a phenomenal career and has lots of success against every other team but the Cubs, and that his success ends up being a non-factor in the Cardinals greater WS aspirations and they flame out year after year despite pristine effort from him.
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R.D. Mangles posted:is "dirty" craig kimbrel a hall of famer? No. Because of the arm thing. Unforgivable bullshit. This Alabama baseball betting scandal is absolutely nuts: https://twitter.com/ByPatForde/status/1678504272508469251 quote:Three people familiar with the investigation told Sports Illustrated that Neff wanted to bet more than $100,000 on a college baseball game that night: Alabama at No. 1 LSU. The game had gotten virtually no gambling traffic, and Neff’s desired bets on the Tigers far exceeded the sportsbook’s established house limit on college baseball. It was a foolhardy act that created a surreal scene, and the ripple effects from that incident continue to be felt more than a month later. Also he tried to place these bets at the MGM sportsbook at the Great American Ballpark
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