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Thanks for the input about AT Legios etc, all! At this stage I think I'll go for Legio Atarus, accompanied by House Col'Khak. Since well, Atarus seems like they're a fairly balanced legio for what I'm trying to aim for (although obviously I'll still experiment with others, regardless of paint scheme) but more importantly, I like the look of the Atarus+Col'Khak colours! They go together fairly well IMO
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Above all else go with the colour scheme you like. Legio rules can be explained away as a detachment that fights in a particular style. Allegiance is canonically split for pretty much every legio because detachments were spread across the crusade fleets and formed bonds with either the Warmaster or their fleet's attached Primarch, or just held loyal to the Emperor over their own Legio.
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also if anyone calls you out for not matching a legio's canon color scheme you can call them a nerd until they stop doing that
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Also, generally, I think maniple rules are going to have a bigger effect on gameplay than legio rules. Like 20% of legios will have rules that have a very big effect on how they play, but most of the "mid-rank" legios have rules that are pretty situational. Astraman's a good example actually.
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loving finally. A core rulebook for necromunda https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/07/12/the-seven-best-innovations-in-the-new-necromunda-rulebook/
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Hihohe posted:loving finally. A core rulebook for necromunda That’s fantastic news! The change to Overseer is a good sign that they’re listening to the players and trying out some of the more popular house rules and implementing them.
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Lovely Joe Stalin posted:Above all else go with the colour scheme you like. Legio rules can be explained away as a detachment that fights in a particular style. Allegiance is canonically split for pretty much every legio because detachments were spread across the crusade fleets and formed bonds with either the Warmaster or their fleet's attached Primarch, or just held loyal to the Emperor over their own Legio. Except Legio Mortis because I think they all went Traitor?
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Hihohe posted:loving finally. A core rulebook for necromunda Good News: An updated Necromunda Rulebook! Bad News: I now have to buy my 11th Necromunda book.
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Z the IVth posted:Except Legio Mortis because I think they all went Traitor? I believe so, and Lego Ignatum was canonically all loyalist. (And provided the two Warhounds who guard the Golden Throne.) In your own games you can do whatever though - "records from the era are incomplete" can do a lot of heavy lifting and some post-Heresy claims were certainly exaggerated.
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Have I overlooked any recent major update about the return to the Old World in Warhammer Fantasy? I know there was a big "non 40k" reveal recently but that was all about Epic 30k, right?
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Jul 12, 2023 16:47
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Nothing too big, just a new mounted Bret standard bearer. Interestingly, he's sculpted in a kind of retro 90's "flat" pose to presumably help rank up - but it also differentiates him from the wild 360 action you get from an AoS character.
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Jul 12, 2023 17:33
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Jack B Nimble posted:Have I overlooked any recent major update about the return to the Old World in Warhammer Fantasy? I know there was a big "non 40k" reveal recently but that was all about Epic 30k, right? Did you see the info about the major factions included and the ones soft excluded? https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/05/23/old-world-development-diary-the-main-factions-revealed/
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AndyElusive posted:Did you see the info about the major factions included and the ones soft excluded? I hadn't, thanks. Hmn, I played Vampire Counts, so I kind of miss them, OTOH I can console myself by saying I've already played them. Do we know or think that the Empire will have access to black powder?
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I saw in an email yesterday (?) that they had riflemen with shields and a sniper who rides an ogre
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Those are for AoS. But unless they're retconning Mordheim out of the timeline firearms are still pretty ubiquitous.
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Der Waffle Mous posted:Those are for AoS. I highly doubt that; given the recent success of Necromunda, Kill Team, and Warcry, I wouldn't be surprised if they also release a new edition of Mordheim to go along with The Old World. It would allow them to release kits that could do triple or quadruple duty: a new Gutter Runner or Free Company box would work for Old World, AoS, Warcry, and a hypothetical Mordheim 2.0.
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Skaven aren't part of the Old World yet, neither are the VC. I'd also doubt they'd want to undercut Warcry, that's selling decently, by splintering the market. Maybe a city focused Warcry season that'll be wink wink Mordheim. Like Gallowdark was wink wink Space Hulk. If The Old World succeeds I can see them slowly rolling in other armies. It's set in the lead up to the Siege of Praag and within 30s years you have Skaven putting aside their civil war to start attacking the above world, Manfred retaking Sylvania and launching another conquest, the earthquakes that sent Black Orcs into the Empire and Dark Elves invading Ulthuan. Macdeo Lurjtux fucked around with this message at 19:26 on Jul 12, 2023 |
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Right, if this is truly the start of some enduring they could introduce a new army every edition/few years.
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Jack B Nimble posted:I hadn't, thanks. Many of the factions that are soft-excluded are excluded because GW still sells them for AOS. For example, most of the Vampire Counts army is now part of the (sigh) Soulblight Gravelords, although a lot of the newer models have a bit more of a Russian vibe, and Mannfred is now a demi-god whose job is constantly disappointing Nagash. (The Necrarchs, ghouls, and ghosts are still around too, albeit in other armies.)
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Cease to Hope posted:Many of the factions that are soft-excluded are excluded because GW still sells them for AOS. For example, most of the Vampire Counts army is now part of the (sigh) Soulblight Gravelords, although a lot of the newer models have a bit more of a Russian vibe, and Mannfred is now a demi-god whose job is constantly disappointing Nagash. (The Necrarchs, ghouls, and ghosts are still around too, albeit in other armies.) Necrahs aren't. We have "strigoi" in flesh eater courts (along with all the ghouls) but they are separate faction from normal SBG
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Hihohe posted:loving finally. A core rulebook for necromunda This all looks really good. I'm pleasantly surprised. I might even look at Necromunda again
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Cease to Hope posted:Many of the factions that are soft-excluded are excluded because GW still sells them for AOS. For example, most of the Vampire Counts army is now part of the (sigh) Soulblight Gravelords, although a lot of the newer models have a bit more of a Russian vibe, and Mannfred is now a demi-god whose job is constantly disappointing Nagash. (The Necrarchs, ghouls, and ghosts are still around too, albeit in other armies.) Lol, I play Soulblight Gravelords and do die inside a little bit every time I have to say their name out loud.
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in the pantheon of aos names nothing beats the khorne bloodbound goreblade warband
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Someone asked about Kill Team battle reports earlier, these people just do KT so here ya go! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2WmAP8YbAs
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Covermeinsunshine posted:Necrahs aren't. We have "strigoi" in flesh eater courts (along with all the ghouls) but they are separate faction from normal SBG The Strigoi look a lot like Necrarchs (or Crypt Flayers/Horrors, depending). And yeah, they're part of FEC, a different army, like I said. peer posted:in the pantheon of aos names nothing beats the khorne bloodbound goreblade warband one of the models in that boxed set is a Bloodsecrator
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Cease to Hope posted:also if anyone calls you out for not matching a legio's canon color scheme you can call them a nerd until they stop doing that i've yet to meet a warhammer player with the stomach to actually poo poo-talk someone else's paint schemes to their face. I dont doubt they exist but i do wonder who would have the gall
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Squibsy posted:This all looks really good. I'm pleasantly surprised. I might even look at Necromunda again Do it! I know you preferred some elements of the 1995 rules but it is the best game GW makes. Cease to Hope posted:oh, I didn't realize the specialist detachment nonsense originated there too. What a toxic waste dump of bad design. I remember those dark days. Take 3 of something and now it gets full re-rolls. Buy more stuff! There was a semi-apocalypse expansion called Spearhead that was basically just all that crap.
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mllaneza posted:Someone asked about Kill Team battle reports earlier, these people just do KT so here ya go! Nice! Thank you!
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mllaneza posted:Someone asked about Kill Team battle reports earlier, these people just do KT so here ya go! Oh heck yeah, these guys are fantastic. Their production value on their vids is fantastic, they do a quick overview of each team and what the player is trying to accomplish and then straight to it. Doing between round diagrams to let you review a whole turning point at a glance and stuff like that. Really glad they're making content for KT.
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TheDiceMustRoll posted:i've yet to meet a warhammer player with the stomach to actually poo poo-talk someone else's paint schemes to their face. I dont doubt they exist but i do wonder who would have the gall Yeah for the all the poo poo talking thevplayers give to each other the worst comment I've ever heard about paintjobs is 'Could use a wash'
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TheDiceMustRoll posted:i've yet to meet a warhammer player with the stomach to actually poo poo-talk someone else's paint schemes to their face. I dont doubt they exist but i do wonder who would have the gall I did once see someone try a passive-aggressive tirade about people who don't do the schemes correctly or "meet standards" on a webforum. He got shouted down, thankfully. The only fandom where I've seen grogs actually do this is Star Fleet Battles. And, uh... ...don't go there. It is a dark and terrible place.
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DFu4ever posted:Star Fleet Battles is insane. I acquired the main rules and a bunch of expansion rules in a binder a long time ago. drat binder was two 10th Edition Leviathan hardcover rule books thick. The two or three times I played we didn't even try running more than one ship each
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SFB is a surprisingly fun game once you know the core rules. It has some fantastic tactical depth, you're making fun decisions constantly. The rules also have a unique level of clarity. They've been picking over everything for decades, and there is no ambiguity in anything. That's why the rulebook is so long, every edge case is covered. I'm not recommending you get into the game, but if you know people who play maybe give it a shot.
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I also recommend checking out Federation Commander as it is like a simplified SFB in case you want to learn the rules in only a day of intense study instead of a year. Star Fleet Battle Force is a card game in the same universe and I've been playing the heck out of it lately. Very fun and straightforward. They even joke about the size of the rulebook in the introduction.
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mllaneza posted:SFB is a surprisingly fun game once you know the core rules. It has some fantastic tactical depth, you're making fun decisions constantly. The rules also have a unique level of clarity. They've been picking over everything for decades, and there is no ambiguity in anything. That's why the rulebook is so long, every edge case is covered. There comes a point where a game becomes so complex that you might as well call it DCS and play it on a computer.
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hoiyes posted:Trying hard to resist the Epic FOMO, I really appreciate the alternating acts and hidden orders sounds like my jam, but don't want to jump in sight unseen. What's the pulse on this set, is it likely to stick around or be a preorder or miss out kinda deal? It will likely sell out on the day, and then be a while before more stock gets made. Which is what happened with AT when the Warmaster set came out and when the starter set came out later. Right now, GW proper has issues getting product out the door and incorrect stock levels (eg the recent 40K index cards) and out of stock of lots of core 40K stuff, which they’re going to want to make more of - right now most of the Space marine range is out of stock (likely being reboxed maybe due to the edition change). If you want it and can’t wait, get it now. Otherwise wait 6 months when it probably comes back in stock. Or they might end up doing a Made to Order thing as they’ve done with Cursed City (after a very long hiatus).
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SFB is if nothing else interesting to read, for seeing effects the decades of rules lawyering the core of it has been subject to, and also for seeing the effects of being a product of an american crank getting to make their own version of Star Trek with no real oversight. For an illustration of what I mean, have a look at one of these and see what a ctrl+f for the name of the worst person you can think of gets you: http://www.starfleetgames.com/documents/Starship_Name_Registry.pdf http://www.starfleetgames.com/documents/Fed_NCC_Numbers.pdf
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Z the IVth posted:There comes a point where a game becomes so complex that you might as well call it DCS and play it on a computer. They did ! It was good! https://www.gog.com/en/game/star_trek_starfleet_command_gold_edition
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