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| 🦋 |
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15 | 3.71% |
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115 | 28.47% |
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12 | 2.97% |
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67 | 16.58% |
| dragonfly |
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94 | 23.27% |
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14 | 3.47% |
| 🐝 |
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87 | 21.53% |
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Finders keepers, losers weepers.
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Jul 13, 2023 13:19
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https://twitter.com/nob69691/status/1678787986278735872#m
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Jul 13, 2023 13:41
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it's nice that this thread isn't the only one terminally online enough to recognize Gunther Fuhrerhitler and make fun of him because it's such a niche joke
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Jul 13, 2023 13:43
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gunthers really done it this time
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Jul 13, 2023 13:45
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Gunther is like one of those monsters from German folklore that's meant to scare children, but everyone loves his wacky child killing antics.
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Jul 13, 2023 13:47
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Gunther is like one of those monsters from German folklore that's meant to scare children, but everyone loves his wacky child killing antics. 
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Jul 13, 2023 13:58
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VoicesCanBe posted:I find the seething hatred for the USSR odd when it's largely because of various actions taken by the USSR that modern-day Ukraine has the borders that it has. same with poland and it’s immense coal reserves in the province of Silesia, which she was given as compensation after WW2 by Stalin think someone worked out that it essentially resulted in 3 trillion dollars worth of reparations
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Jul 13, 2023 14:03
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Bedpan is listening to the talks and panels from day 1 of the public nato forum that we missed. I'm willing to bet some more dumbshit will be found.
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Jul 13, 2023 14:11
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Yeah, if anything it probably made more sense for the Donbass itself to be part of the RSFSR but it was given to Ukraine. ------------- One thing I came up recently was about particularly US tank reserves, so the same guy that did the tank analysis, did an analysis of the Sierra Army Depot, and came up with around 1700 tanks (300 less this year). Arguably, some of this armor may have been moved around to army bases, but perhaps just a lot of it is being cannibalized or sold off as well. Supposedly, the Russians still had about 5,000-7,000 tanks of various conditions and types, but that if anything quite an advantage and they have their repair centers up and running. The US still has a huge force, but I wonder if on the ground it is really the "sleeping juggernaut" it is made out to be compared to some of the larger other powers on the ground. Also, I posted it in the WW3 thread, but he is a video about American attack subs, 37% under or waiting for maintenance. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeeF94EEapw
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Jul 13, 2023 14:14
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Mr Hootington posted:Bedpan is listening to the talks and panels from day 1 of the public nato forum that we missed. I'm willing to bet some more dumbshit will be found. https://twitter.com/kama_kamilia/status/1679445762525081606?s=46&t=gWyrmQxu90FG1IdyIl6pLw
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Jul 13, 2023 14:19
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Goon project: let's resurrect the USSR
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Jul 13, 2023 14:30
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The USSR hate makes sense within the context of a Soviet collapse where you can either go "this was a mistake, communism is good and we need to make a new union" (no money in this, Russia's leader currently drunk in Chicago) or "actually the USSR was worse than hitler and our country is going to be better than ever" (US think tanks will give you millions of dollars to workshop reasons why the jews were asking for it) Then a couple decades later all your insufferable sons and daughters have been raised on this immutable fact
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Jul 13, 2023 14:33
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gradenko_2000 posted:https://twitter.com/kama_kamilia/status/1679445762525081606?s=46&t=gWyrmQxu90FG1IdyIl6pLw and here i thought lithuania couldn't be more of a joke country
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Jul 13, 2023 14:34
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One thing I've wondered about during Ukraine's counteroffensive is why they didn't wait until they have thr F16s available to them. We've seen throughout the past 1.5 months that the lack of any air power is a huge impediment. And while the training on the F16s will take until late 2023 or into 2024, what was the reason they didn't wait? I've only been able to think of 2 reasons and neither bode well for Ukraine 1. They really were under pressure by NATO to achieve results quickly prior to the summit or some other deadline, which indicates that NATO, or at least some countries in it, are losing patience 2. The constant airstrikes deep into Ukranian territory are heavily degrading their military capabilities, to the point that the AFU believed that the longer they waited, the worse their overall position would be.
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Jul 13, 2023 14:36
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this seasons ratings are waning and the showrunners are getting nervous
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Jul 13, 2023 14:39
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ukraine will never actually receive working F16s
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Jul 13, 2023 14:39
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3. That it is going to probably be months (maybe into 2024) before those squadrons are ready and 4. that those jets probably aren't going to make a tremendous difference over Ukraine's remaining Soviet era fighters I think it could easily be all 4 at the same time, they are not only running out of time but the light at the end of the tunnel is quite dim. The real question is the Ukrainian people themselves and how many volunteers they can keep feeding into the system before it is just conscripts who will eventually refuse to fight.
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Jul 13, 2023 14:42
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Even if Ukraine gets a boatload of operational F16s, where will they operate from? Once they amass a critical number at one location, that location will be attacked. There is no real safe rear area in Ukraine. Operate from Poland? too far away from the front lines. So at most they can effectively deploy a few of them at any given time, what difference would that make?
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Jul 13, 2023 14:47
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it's like announcing you're doing this on purpose  except the work is much better than and way more important mawarannahr has issued a correction as of 14:51 on Jul 13, 2023 |
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Jul 13, 2023 14:48
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The real answer is probably that a handful of F16's won't actually meaningfully turn things around; it might help a few pushes, but Russia has a significantly larger fleet and they themselves have problems flying into Ukrainian territory. Also unless they're located outside Ukraine the exact same thing that happened to their last fleet woukd probably happen; Russia bombs all the hangars. In reality it's just the latest excuse, Ukraine is being betrayed because they haven't received the next wunderwaffen. Once Ukraine receives more stingers/more anti-air/HIMAR's/Challengers & Abrams/F-16's they will finally be ready to drive out the Moskva.
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Jul 13, 2023 14:48
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Jel Shaker posted:ukraine will never actually receive working F16s They are only going to receive Fs in the chat.
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Jul 13, 2023 14:49
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Ardennes posted:conscripts who will eventually refuse to fight. This problem can be mitigated by embedding nationalist troops within the conscript units in order to bolster their willingness to fight.
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Jul 13, 2023 14:49
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lol had I known there were easier ways to win medals…
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Jul 13, 2023 14:50
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Neurolimal posted:The USSR hate makes sense within the context of a Soviet collapse where you can either go "this was a mistake, communism is good and we need to make a new union" (no money in this, Russia's leader currently drunk in Chicago) or "actually the USSR was worse than hitler and our country is going to be better than ever" (US think tanks will give you millions of dollars to workshop reasons why the jews were asking for it) It’s a loving travesty. Lately the US has been more open about CIA involvement in the colour revolutions in the Baltic in 1990-91 as well.
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Jul 13, 2023 14:51
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Jel Shaker posted:ukraine will never actually receive working F16s Everything I've read makes it sound like they are gonna get the early block versions (that are still flying), so 20 year-old airframes without all the fancy tech that makes it a good jet. Not to mention that it was developed with the "low/high" concept in mind (e.g. few high performance/capable F-15's and a ton of lower capability F-16's), so NAFO (and NATO lol) making it sound like it's the best plane in the air is pretty lol. Edit: That and they will need actual good missiles that are compatible with the plane. At best they'll probably get some older AIM-120's that still can't outrange what the RuAF has and are near their expiration date.
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Jul 13, 2023 14:52
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Ukraine to receive F-14 Words
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Jul 13, 2023 14:54
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Frosted Flake posted:It’s a loving travesty. Lately the US has been more open about CIA involvement in the colour revolutions in the Baltic in 1990-91 as well. Even Bush took credit for and was proud of US involvement in the Orange and Rose Revolution in one of his out-going speeches. Marenghi has issued a correction as of 15:30 on Jul 13, 2023 |
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Jul 13, 2023 14:55
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One issue with the F-16s is they can't be broken down and hidden like Soviet fighters and they are going to need a set base of operations for maintenance, which is going to make them more vulnerable on the ground. Also, if they fly them from Poland, not only is it making a NATO country a target, but they are going to have to probably stop mid-journey to refuel, which again is going to complicate operations. If they land on Ukrainian highways/reserve fields they will have to be shipped for Poland for maintenance and to be re-armed. Basically, all of it is a mess. I do think the Ukrainians went with the offensive with the hope that it would open up another wave of material from the West. I guess we will see but it sounds like they are still shipping over what they have generally already promised. They are going to get some SCALP missiles, some Leopard 1s, Marders, and eventually F-16s and probably Abrams, but not the equipment for an entirely new force. Yeah, the F-16s are looking at are 90s era with perhaps some more modern EW systems, it isn't enough to go against what the Russians can bring and that is not even talking about the aforesaid logistics issues. BearsBearsBears posted:This problem can be mitigated by embedding nationalist troops within the conscript units in order to bolster their willingness to fight. They have been trying that, but conscripts are just going to do what it takes to survive not actually do much with their pretty much zero training. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 14:59 on Jul 13, 2023 |
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Jul 13, 2023 14:56
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What are fighter jets going to do that their own couldn't. They lost 60 of their own jets in the first month of the war. Everything at this point is throwing good money after bad.
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Jul 13, 2023 15:00
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Enjoy posted:you can grill things which don't scream in agony as they have their throats slit tofu is also wonderful if you smoke it if you are going to grill tofu for the firm/extra firm variety
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Jul 13, 2023 15:02
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Marenghi posted:What are fighter jets going to do that their own couldn't. They lost 60 of their own jets in the first month of the war. Everything at this point is throwing good money after bad. the fighter jets are going to be a big investment that ties the allies closer to ukraine so they have to help ukraine even harder, or else deal with a huge sunk cost that is worth far, far more than anything the fighter jets can do
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Jul 13, 2023 15:02
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Jul 13, 2023 15:05
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Marenghi posted:Even Bush took credit for and was proud of US the Orange and Rose Revolution in one of his out-going speeches. Liberals will deny that there's any US involvement in these color revolutions up until it's openly admitted or otherwise beyond plausible deniability. They'll then immediately pivot to "it's good the US did it, actually"
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Jul 13, 2023 15:10
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OctaMurk posted:the fighter jets are going to be a big investment that ties the allies closer to ukraine so they have to help ukraine even harder, or else deal with a huge sunk cost But also so what? The West has already dramatically slowed what they are sending over, and while it is going to hurt, they can't send equipment they don't have and NATO isn't going to be going in full blast even if it could. It just kicking the can down the road with the hope the Russians take some attrition.
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Jul 13, 2023 15:11
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gradenko_2000 posted:https://twitter.com/kama_kamilia/status/1679445762525081606?s=46&t=gWyrmQxu90FG1IdyIl6pLw Lol Neurolimal posted:The USSR hate makes sense within the context of a Soviet collapse where you can either go "this was a mistake, communism is good and we need to make a new union" (no money in this, Russia's leader currently drunk in Chicago) or "actually the USSR was worse than hitler and our country is going to be better than ever" (US think tanks will give you millions of dollars to workshop reasons why the jews were asking for it) Yep
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Jul 13, 2023 15:13
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Jul 13, 2023 15:18
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Ardennes posted:But also so what? The West has already dramatically slowed what they are sending over, and while it is going to hurt, they can't send equipment they don't have and NATO isn't going to be going in full blast even if it could. It just kicking the can down the road with the hope the Russians take some attrition. It's debatable if Russia is even taking significant attrition I keep remembering a few months ago when a US General said in a congressional hearing that Russia's military was larger than before Feb. 2022
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Jul 13, 2023 15:19
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Find someone who looks at you the way Mette Frederiksen looks at Joe Biden. gradenko_2000 posted:https://twitter.com/kama_kamilia/status/1679445762525081606?s=46&t=gWyrmQxu90FG1IdyIl6pLw That's that Holocaust denier that founded NAFO, right? SplitSoul has issued a correction as of 15:26 on Jul 13, 2023 |
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Jul 13, 2023 15:23
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DancingShade posted:The first lot of ammo was destroyed in depot before use. That's why the kerfuffle over the dust residue from the very extremely completely safe uranium shells. Oh yeah, that did happen huh.
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Jul 13, 2023 15:27
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VoicesCanBe posted:It's debatable if Russia is even taking significant attrition They do take some losses, obviously, they are enough videos, but at the same time, the Russians are not only severely outtrading the Ukrainians, but they simply have much more men and material to pull from at this point. (Also, the Russians just use much more cautious but sound tactics, which is going to keep the attrition down.) Granted, the Russian army is absolutely larger than it was in Feb 2022, more than anything just because so much has been added to it over time. It very well be 700k+ under arms at this point and a big part of the reason the Russians have been slow rolling this thing has been both, it is just more efficient if the Ukrainians come to you, but an army that size takes time to fully be put together. It is also why Ukrainian strategy has been suicidal and basically just been about dumping vehicles and bodies in the field hoping they can take some Russians with them. ---- Frederisken is only 35 years younger than Biden....far far too old for him. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 15:31 on Jul 13, 2023 |
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