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Edgy writing that tries to pretend its still 1999 is a bad indicator that the devs made the right choices on what to keep and what to update.
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Turin Turambar posted:Yeah, it's the type of thing I notice in reviews that I dislike. I haven't played JA3 so I'm not saying they are wrong (although we can take a good guess), I am talking in general, in past reviews I have seen this flaw. yeah, pretty much this.
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Jul 12, 2023 20:48
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“Lol, this game sucks. I need political correctness in my game about literal psychopathic and shell shocked mercs and killers in a war zone.” Honestly, whichever words or slurs they use it’s something that fits the setting in this case. It would however serve the dev well to distance itself from the language and make it clear it’s a stylistic choice that they don’t personally approve off. Those bad reviews actually make me want to buy it, seems like they really went all in.
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Jul 12, 2023 21:41
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Jul 12, 2023 22:48
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I thought playing all those boomer shooters as a kid would inure me to over the top and cheesy one-liners but playing Atomic Heart earlier this year proved that I hadn't come close to discovering how low that bar can go.
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moot the hopple posted:I thought playing all those boomer shooters as a kid would inure me to over the top and cheesy one-liners but playing Atomic Heart earlier this year proved that I hadn't come close to discovering how low that bar can go. I’ve heard the protagonist in that game is like a bootleg duke nukem
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Dr_0ctag0n posted:Day 1 no-slur mod If calling mutant insect killing machines slinkies is wrong I don't want to be right
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moot the hopple posted:I thought playing all those boomer shooters as a kid would inure me to over the top and cheesy one-liners but playing Atomic Heart earlier this year proved that I hadn't come close to discovering how low that bar can go. I picked that up in the sale and recently started playing it and yeah, no kidding. "Crispy fuckin…where’s the poo poo-rear end way out of here?!" and "What in the sweaty hell is going on here?" and constant usage of the term crispy critters for some reason. It's like an alien writing the kind of edgy dialogue that would appeal to a 14 year old.
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Darth TNT posted:“Lol, this game sucks. I need political correctness in my game about literal psychopathic and shell shocked mercs and killers in a war zone.” I feel like most of JA2's political incorrectness was over the top and not really mean spirited, with some exceptions, like Brenda and the tattoo shop guy (whose name escapes me. Kyle?). There were very few actual expressions of racism (like Grizzly saying he doesn't like 'orientals'), all coming from people typified as kind of dumb and crazy. Largely it's just white guys doing foreign accents. It's going to be, uh, interesting to see how that holds up in a game set in Africa. I presume it won't be like Arulco, where a surprising amount of people are just European or North American.
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"Oh no one of these characters said a bad word", in a game about war, murder, criminals, psychos who kill for money, blood diamonds....and so on.... JA's sometimes goofy and tongue in cheek writing was what gave the game a lighter atmosphere and made it like an over the top 80s action-flick instead of a bleak war story. Every character was a caricature or stereotype from comics, movies and pop culture.
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Hammerstein posted:"Oh no one of these characters said a bad word", in a game about war, murder, criminals, psychos who kill for money, blood diamonds....and so on.... Eh, after a point this just becomes the “but it’s what my character would do” annoying guy from D&D. Yeah these characters probably would machine gun slurs, so what? What’s the upside? How many of us are here for slur verisimilitude exactly? It’s not a deal breaker but I don’t really see the point either.
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yeah I don’t want slurs but I do want characters that are poo poo people, you can do that without resorting to slurs also the “the sights is what I call my boobs” line is a lovely line that flows really bad, I like the sleaze but you can do it a lot better or far worse. also the rpg components were also a factor in 2, it’s not a gotcha to say “well yeah tactical is the game” it’s an awkward hybrid a lot of the time and if they’ve kept that pretty much the same then that’s a bummer, hate walking around the maps talking to NPCs and often pixel hunting
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There wanst much of that in JA1 or 2 either, irrc. I remember very little of offensive slurs or anything like that, besides the few things already mentioned here It was mostly stereotypes that would be considered problematic nowadays and exaggerated accents
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Captain Oblivious posted:Eh, after a point this just becomes the “but it’s what my character would do” annoying guy from D&D. Yeah these characters probably would machine gun slurs, so what? What’s the upside? But these characters, despite their 80s and 90s background, don't machine gun slurs. Slurs never were much of a thing in JA1 or 2. It's not about up or downsides, but about a gaming journalist dedicating a full paragraph to an ableist slur and to a seedy strip club manager and then condemning the whole game's writing based on that and depicting the 90s as an era when people only communicated in various slurs. Would such a journalist have a stroke if he saw Jagged Alliance 2's brothel (now THAT was problematic), would his head explode if he saw Harvey Keitel as sleazy pimp in Taxi Driver? And it's especially disingenuous when said person bases that review on stuff he never read: quote:it’s poorly written with a bunch of juvenile jokes and irritating characters that make me reach for the skip button whenever chat comes up on screen. Hammerstein fucked around with this message at 11:01 on Jul 13, 2023 |
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Review embargo is lifted. PC Gamer gave it 81% https://www.pcgamer.com/jagged-alliance-3-review/ IGN 9/10 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQe82eaeHkw A bit of a lack of polish and the humor being hit and miss is about what they have to say. edit: beaten like Elliot by Deidranna
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Cream-of-Plenty posted:I picked that up in the sale and recently started playing it and yeah, no kidding. "Crispy fuckin…where’s the poo poo-rear end way out of here?!" and "What in the sweaty hell is going on here?" and constant usage of the term crispy critters for some reason. It's like an alien writing the kind of edgy dialogue that would appeal to a 14 year old. This reads like a classic Cream of Plenty post, but its 100% real. Atomic Heart dialogue was weird.
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welp, this sounds pretty much the best possible outcome, time to open my wallet
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Does RPS do multiple reviews of the same game? I remember the review I saw before being much more negative https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/jagged-alliance-3-review
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Xarn posted:Does RPS do multiple reviews of the same game? I remember the review I saw before being much more negative That was preview a year ago
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MikusR posted:That was preview a year ago three months ago, and by a different author to boot redleader posted:huh, weird that they didn't get their resident strategy nerd (Sin Vega) to do that preview Guess we know wot Sin thinks now though
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Well hey. Glad to hear it’s a worthy successor. Feel more confident buying now.
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I just skimmed the PC Gamer review and I'm excited! I'm bookmarking this thread and looking forward to hearing more impressions. Is this turn based? I tried playing the relatively recent JA2 Back in Action and found the real time with pause with global cooldown bad and frustrating
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Same as JA2, real time until combat starts, then turn based.
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Not a review, but this guy who does a lot of Total War Warhammer videos has started a lets play style series if you want to see some straight up gameplay https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XK9ZnWljpLE
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There is a big difference between a character using slurs or taking like a dipshit because they're a dipshit, and the game itself making it clear that it agrees with the character. Also, frankly, I have to deal with slurs every single day, have to hear the worst poo poo out of there 24/7, I'd like to not also have to deal with it in my recreation activities. I know that the game is about murder and fighting and whatnot, but those are thankfully not actual things I have to deal with in my day to day life the way I do with racism or homophobia or any other bigotry. It feels real lovely to play a game and get the sense that the developers would be have some choices words to deploy against me specifically. To be clear, I haven't played this game yet or seen any specific language and humor the game uses. I don't know how the humor in this game is going to land, but I don't think its simple as "sticks and stones can break my bones but words can never hurt me."
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I have also pulled the trigger given the reviews and the fact that there's a 33% discount still going. And I agree with the multiple posters above: everything that's in a game is there because there was a conscious choice to put it in, and therefore is intended to contribute to the experience in some way. Nothing actually needs to be in a game and if something just makes the experience a bit worse or needs to be ignored then it just shouldn't be there in the first place. The reviews are pretty clear that there isn't some deep satirical point being made (or if it is, it's landing really badly), it's just terrible writing that misjudges the times.
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Game...good? I haven't actually played a JA game since quickly bouncing off of JA2 1.13 when I tried a few years ago, but this one actually sounds like an ideal starting point, modernized while still being distinct enough from XCOM. Also I'll lol if Techradar's horrendous slur is some merc calling someone a cripple or a spaz or something.
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Mordja posted:Game...good? game good https://www.metacritic.com/game/pc/jagged-alliance-3 https://opencritic.com/game/15214/jagged-alliance-3
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I'm gonna miss the facing/aiming mechanics from JA2, but I'm really psyched about these good reviews. In my mind seeing scores like 7/10 would have been a good sign for a game like this, but these 8/10 and 9/10 scores are really promising to see.
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A 9/10 100 hour game for only 35 currency units? Hell yeah
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bees everywhere posted:I'm gonna miss the facing/aiming mechanics from JA2, but I'm really psyched about these good reviews. In my mind seeing scores like 7/10 would have been a good sign for a game like this, but these 8/10 and 9/10 scores are really promising to see. On the plus side, overwatch takes this into account insofar as it requires you to choose what to focus on, so it does matter to a point. I'm pretty psyched from all the good reviews. It is interesting that only that one yesterday mentioned a "slur" though, so now I'm wondering if it is a scenario like Mordja noted. Tomorrow night is gonna be a great time once my kids go to sleep.
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Holy crepes it’s getting good reviews and all this talk is making me giddy but I don’t have time. I’m going to buy it anyway, just like I did the others. Just to show my support for the brand.
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wow... a good jagged alliance game in the year 2023. what a time to be alive.
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lalaland posted:A 9/10 100 hour game for only 35 currency units? Hell yeah Party like it's 1999
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Stream from earlier today https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLN39y5i_H0FkqCiMjrglhIc6KsiPRH76f https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaBLiki816k there's even an ingame disclaimer at the start 
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