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Drone_Fragger posted:Sometimes decades have a days worth kf interest in them. Other times, entire decades happen in a Few days. In russias case, it took 500 days to go backwards 8 decades. Don't have the US to make an unholy amount of poo poo to supply them with this time though.
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Jul 13, 2023 18:36
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Old guns for the army, modern guns for the black market. Arm the troops and make money on the side. It’s win-win the Russian way.
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Jul 13, 2023 18:57
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Am I alone in half expecting to see lend-lease P-39s over the skies of Ukraine at some point in the near future?
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Jul 13, 2023 19:02
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XYZAB posted:Am I alone in half expecting to see lend-lease P-39s over the skies of Ukraine at some point in the near future? Russia still has 1
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Jul 13, 2023 19:08
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It's funny how bad Russia is at fighting war since they're still giving Ukraine a really bad go of it. Imagine if they were just 10% more competent lol
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Jul 13, 2023 19:09
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Dr.Smasher posted:Russia still has 1 They only took off a year ago, they're still climbing to altitude
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Jul 13, 2023 19:09
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HonorableTB posted:It's funny how bad Russia is at fighting war since they're still giving Ukraine a really bad go of it. Imagine if they were just 10% more competent lol We are very lucky they are so loving stupid.
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Jul 13, 2023 19:11
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Russia has been pretty conservative using its airforce. All the bombs and missiles lobbed at Ukrainian cities are launched from well within Russian-controlled airspace.
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Jul 13, 2023 19:12
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Der Kyhe posted:Comparing these two, if their elite got that collection of random AK's its fully believable that militia gets this, even if they have to share the only box of ammo they found for the guns.
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Jul 13, 2023 19:16
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Its a paradox of sorts that the Western gear really doesn't do short work of the enemy when they have to deal with WW1-style layout of minefield after minefield with dug in and sometimes fortified positions between them everywhere, and forced to fight without an air superiority. No-one sane was thinking that we will have a war where the other side is doing a WW1 re-enactment to slow down everything to a crawl, while crazy or dedicated enough to keep throwing manpower in it to keep it together.
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Jul 13, 2023 19:16
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of course Putin is using Ukrainian civ slave labor to build trenches, I mean why not, it's so obvious I can't believe I hadn't thrown that on the pile already
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Jul 13, 2023 19:17
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beer_war posted:Russia has been pretty conservative using its airforce. All the bombs and missiles lobbed at Ukrainian cities are launched from well within Russian-controlled airspace. They wouldn't still have one if they weren't. The same applies to the .ua air force, for what it's worth. Neither have stealth, both have formidable AA, neither have both the coordination and numbers or SEAD/DEAD tech to successfully overwhelm the other.
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Jul 13, 2023 19:29
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Yeah say what you will, the Soviet era AAA whips absolute rear end and will happily shoot down anything. Theres also the issue or like 70% of russias air force being in indefinite "maintainace" because all the funds gor embezzled so they have airbases full of planes that will never fly.
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Jul 13, 2023 19:45
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Also the new shiny patriots are dropping loving Russian planes in Russian territory so uhh yeah I don't think they want to fly sorties into the country. I mean NOW especially they're fearful knowing how many planes are getting dropped a week. Those are irreplaceable.
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Jul 13, 2023 19:46
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Zippy the Bummer posted:of course Putin is using Ukrainian civ slave labor to build trenches, I mean why not, it's so obvious I can't believe I hadn't thrown that on the pile already Nazis did the same building the Atlantikwall, and other war infrastructure
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Jul 13, 2023 19:52
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Drone_Fragger posted:Yeah say what you will, the Soviet era AAA whips absolute rear end and will happily shoot down anything. In the early days, Russian attempts to fly large aircraft over Ukraine resulted in them being shot down. I seem to recall that they lost several hundred VDV soldiers after a transport plane went down in a fireball.
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Jul 13, 2023 19:53
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The_Franz posted:In the early days, Russian attempts to fly large aircraft over Ukraine resulted in them being shot down. I seem to recall that they lost several hundred VDV soldiers after a transport plane went down in a fireball. They also lost huge amount of helicopters in a very short timespan, and only some of them by parking them to an airfield that was within UAFs artillery range.
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Jul 13, 2023 19:58
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Der Kyhe posted:Its a paradox of sorts that the Western gear really doesn't do short work of the enemy when they have to deal with WW1-style layout of minefield after minefield with dug in and sometimes fortified positions between them everywhere, and forced to fight without an air superiority. And Ukraine's current undramatic incremental progress hasn't even reached Russia's "first line" of entrenched fortified positions. The addition of cluster munitions won't make short work of these positions but they are going to be invaluable in breaching them if they can finally reach them. Russia is absolutely counting on Ukraine being unable to break those prepared lines. That early prediction of a "10 year" war was hopefully an overestimation, but does illustrate the magnitude of the challenge Ukraine is facing.
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Jul 13, 2023 20:09
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the popes toes posted:And Ukraine's current undramatic incremental progress hasn't even reached Russia's "first line" of entrenched fortified positions. The addition of cluster munitions won't make short work of these positions but they are going to be invaluable in breaching them if they can finally reach them. Russia is absolutely counting on Ukraine being unable to break those prepared lines. That early prediction of a "10 year" war was hopefully an overestimation, but does illustrate the magnitude of the challenge Ukraine is facing. It's not like the fortifications UA have been popping were slapped together by light infantry over a day, they had control over that territory for a while and did not want to give it up. I'm not trying to say the first line is a trivial obstacle but everyone's acting like it's the Maginot Line. I mean we'll see, I don't really know, but given everything else we've seen I find it hard to believe it's such hot poo poo that it will bring them to a complete standstill for a year+ when Ukraine is acing generals and ammo depots weekly.
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Jul 13, 2023 20:17
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Celexi posted:do you guys remember when a bunch of russians got dropped into kiev airport for no reason and were lost Next on SMO Or Sitcom!
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Jul 13, 2023 20:17
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the popes toes posted:And Ukraine's current undramatic incremental progress hasn't even reached Russia's "first line" of entrenched fortified positions. The addition of cluster munitions won't make short work of these positions but they are going to be invaluable in breaching them if they can finally reach them. Russia is absolutely counting on Ukraine being unable to break those prepared lines. That early prediction of a "10 year" war was hopefully an overestimation, but does illustrate the magnitude of the challenge Ukraine is facing. Yeah this is the salient view. Russia is, for some reason, a really big fan of drawn-out quagmires, even more than America. Syria, Afghanistan, Tajikistan, Georgia, Ukraine, The CAR civil war, etc.
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Jul 13, 2023 20:24
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F-16s will be a game changer when they finally arrive, it's taking far too long for this to happen
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Jul 13, 2023 20:34
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I love it every time I see on twitter or discord that Bernie is a neocon because he supports Ukraine and NATO supporting them. Awesome.
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Jul 13, 2023 20:37
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HonorableTB posted:F-16s will be a game changer when they finally arrive, it's taking far too long for this to happen I can see it helping but I don't personally think it will be a game changer. There just won't be enough of them in Ukraines hands
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Jul 13, 2023 20:44
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Toxic Mental posted:I love it every time I see on twitter or discord that Bernie is a neocon because he supports Ukraine and NATO supporting them. Awesome. Žižek espousing a similar opinion seems to have broken a lot of brains too.
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Jul 13, 2023 20:45
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Toxic Mental posted:I love it every time I see on twitter or discord that Bernie is a neocon because he supports Ukraine and NATO supporting them. Awesome. Tankies aren't very smart tbh.
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Jul 13, 2023 20:46
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Toxic Mental posted:I love it every time I see on twitter or discord that Bernie is a neocon because he supports Ukraine and NATO supporting them. Awesome.  How do peoples' brains become this broken, just loving how
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Jul 13, 2023 20:47
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There’s just something with the internet and hot dog men
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Jul 13, 2023 20:48
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Tai posted:I can see it helping but I don't personally think it will be a game changer. There just won't be enough of them in Ukraines hands If they fly them as low as they do helicopters, though...
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Jul 13, 2023 20:48
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I think attrition will ultimately end the war - either through mass desertion by troops or a repeat of 1917
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Jul 13, 2023 20:49
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Toxic Mental posted:I love it every time I see on twitter or discord that Bernie is a neocon because he supports Ukraine and NATO supporting them. Awesome. Zizek and Bernie have been wrong on several things, but I feel comfortable having the same opinion as them here. It sure beats sharing the opinion of Kissinger and Chomsky.
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Jul 13, 2023 20:50
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The_Franz posted:Žižek espousing a similar opinion seems to have broken a lot of brains too. Famous neocons list: 1. an insanely based lifelong Marxist 2.
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Jul 13, 2023 20:51
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Toxic Mental posted:I love it every time I see on twitter or discord that Bernie is a neocon because he supports Ukraine and NATO supporting them. Awesome. Lol you read Twitter and Discord.
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Jul 13, 2023 20:53
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The_Franz posted:In the early days, Russian attempts to fly large aircraft over Ukraine resulted in them being shot down. I seem to recall that they lost several hundred VDV soldiers after a transport plane went down in a fireball. IIRC the transport plane full of troops going down turned out to be a false report. Tai posted:I can see it helping but I don't personally think it will be a game changer. There just won't be enough of them in Ukraines hands Also F-16s aren't exactly stealthy, so I'm not sure they're going to be able to do any significant force projection with them given the massive amounts of anti-air Russia has.
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Jul 13, 2023 20:54
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3D Megadoodoo posted:Lol you read Twitter and Discord. It’s my job as a black mold brain analyst, part time after my job at the dick sucking factory ends
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Jul 13, 2023 20:54
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the popes toes posted:And Ukraine's current undramatic incremental progress hasn't even reached Russia's "first line" of entrenched fortified positions. The addition of cluster munitions won't make short work of these positions but they are going to be invaluable in breaching them if they can finally reach them. Russia is absolutely counting on Ukraine being unable to break those prepared lines. That early prediction of a "10 year" war was hopefully an overestimation, but does illustrate the magnitude of the challenge Ukraine is facing. I'm still putting very little faith in these "prepared positions" that Russia has made.
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Jul 13, 2023 20:55
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EasilyConfused posted:IIRC the transport plane full of troops going down turned out to be a false report. Depending on when they actually arrive, a chunk of the anti-air systems would well be lost through battlefield attrition, or redirected back to the home front to protect various strategic bits and bobs there, making the sky just that bit safer. But there are a fuckton of those systems that will still remain by then. e: CAESAR systems are going to be ramped up in production to supply Ukraine. https://twitter.com/AFP/status/1679495898160852994
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Jul 13, 2023 21:01
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EasilyConfused posted:Also F-16s aren't exactly stealthy, so I'm not sure they're going to be able to do any significant force projection with them given the massive amounts of anti-air Russia has. Chappie would disagree!
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Jul 13, 2023 21:02
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zizek is a lacanian before he is a marxist and he is a slovene before he is a lacanian
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Jul 13, 2023 21:02
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EasilyConfused posted:IIRC the transport plane full of troops going down turned out to be a false report. They can't safely go further with them, but they don't have to jerry-rig western munitions and do weird ground-programming chicanery like they did with those antiradar missiles to make it work at all. Between that and soft factors they should actually be more effective than the MiG-29s they've been using (iirc), but not decisive. Ronwayne posted:Zizek and Bernie have been wrong on several things, but I feel comfortable having the same opinion as them here. It sure beats sharing the opinion of Kissinger and Chomsky.  Anders posted:I think attrition will ultimately end the war - either through mass desertion by troops or a repeat of 1917 It's almost never to the last man, though. I'm not sure it's fair to call a morale break leading to mass desertion attrition, that is actually one side's victory unless they're just as close to breaking and aren't pushing.
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