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 EasilyConfused posted:IIRC the transport plane full of troops going down turned out to be a false report. Russia's stock of anti-air munitions has limits, and attrition doctrine means that as long as Ukraine flies sorties over their own pilot-recoverable territory and aren't losing pilots, Russians will burn through their stock faster than it can restock, hastening the eventual air superiority. Plus, Russia will have to man the AA stations and defend them, making them rather easy targets for mobile artillery strikes. All the manpower in the world doesn't solve a materiel issue. fatherboxx posted:
Was that looted from the Ukrainian аниме store? Or from a private residence? No way that gets through standard soldier possession channels.
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Jul 14, 2023 01:15
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XYZAB posted:Seeing that exploded ordnance view makes me wonder why they couldn't also mount a sidewinder to the tip of the vertical stabilizer just like they do at the tip of each wing. outside of other practical reasons, the wingtips are on axis laterally/vertically with the center of gravity/lift, tail stab isn't added/changing amounts of weight and drag is a much bigger issue & would increase the moment of inertia over the tail by a lot, yaw control would be non-existent, stalls would come sooner and rolls or banked turns would be sketchy because there's now a swing-weight opposite the fuselage and it's a lot of weight at 8g
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Jul 14, 2023 01:16
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FirstnameLastname posted:outside of other practical reasons, the wingtips are on axis laterally/vertically with the center of gravity/lift, tail stab isn't Why do things like Paveways have stabilizers on the front? Is the weight in the middle in that case? 
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Jul 14, 2023 01:19
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I don't think attritional warfare will play out in Ukraines favor with aircraft in focus. One thing that has been as surprising to me as Ukraine still having a cohesive and effective air force is that Russia correspondingly failed to get air superiority (let alone supremacy) AND is flying the same low amount of air sorties as Ukraine is. For purposes of my post I am going to conveniently ignore the massive amounts of standoff strikes done from the Caspian and from inside Russian territory because I'm focusing on actual battlefield tactical usage, not failed strategic strikes
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Jul 14, 2023 01:20
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Toxic Mental posted:Why do things like Paveways have stabilizers on the front? Is the weight in the middle in that case? More fins means more accuracy over distance due to less aerodynamic jostling. Ever play kerbal space program? Adding stabilizers to the cone section of a paveway achieves the same effect as putting stabilizer fins on the manned kerbal capsule (aerodynamics, air flow, and reducing drag)
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Jul 14, 2023 01:21
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Toxic Mental posted:Why do things like Paveways have stabilizers on the front? Is the weight in the middle in that case? The fins in front are for steering, I think
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Jul 14, 2023 01:23
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https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/1679612040099373057    
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Jul 14, 2023 01:32
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HonorableTB posted:I don't think attritional warfare will play out in Ukraines favor with aircraft in focus. One thing that has been as surprising to me as Ukraine still having a cohesive and effective air force is that Russia correspondingly failed to get air superiority (let alone supremacy) AND is flying the same low amount of air sorties as Ukraine is. For purposes of my post I am going to conveniently ignore the massive amounts of standoff strikes done from the Caspian and from inside Russian territory because I'm focusing on actual battlefield tactical usage, not failed strategic strikes Agreed, the RuAF's inability to dominate the skies might be the biggest (and most important) surprise of the war.
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Jul 14, 2023 01:38
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Toxic Mental posted:Why do things like Paveways have stabilizers on the front? Is the weight in the middle in that case? canards allow for higher angles of attack in manuevers before stalling while needing comparatively less surface area and/or material weight compared to having all the control surfaces in the tail/wings, especially in aircraft that have their center of gravity behind their center of lift, like a rocket/missile or a fighter jet - which lets you put weight further back / add more before it's a problem The concept they work under essentially is that all aircraft steer/create lift through pressure differentials that overcomes the mass of the plane+air pushing in the opposing direction+thrust if applicable, basically like an asymmetrically balanced seesaw that has air making the ends pivot it instead of only gravity so the easiest place for a flying vehicle to control its trajectory from is the lightest location with the most aerodynamic load furthest from where the thrust is being generated - which is the front in the case of a missile full of fuel edit: oops or a bomb, no thrust but the longitudinal forces from drag vortices at the tail similarly increase the moment of inertia making it harder to steer from there similarly & afaik the weight is biased towards the back in them for the same reasons but idk it's kiiind of like having the back tires accelerate and front tires steer in a RWD car with the engine in the back, not quite because it's not mechanical friction, but the general leverage used to rotate something from ahead of its center of mass being part is the same the downsides are they're difficult to design, increase instability by a lot and increase drag compared to more traditional designs but with computer designed and controlled vehicles that aren't going supersonic and are made to explode thats all w/e FirstnameLastname fucked around with this message at 02:42 on Jul 14, 2023 |
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Jul 14, 2023 01:39
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FirstnameLastname posted:canards allow for higher angles of attack in manuevers before stalling while needing comparatively less surface area and/or material weight compared to having all the control surfaces in the tail/wings, especially in aircraft that have their center of gravity behind their center of lift, like a rocket/missile or a fighter jet - which lets you put weight further back / add more before it's a problem True for aircraft. Bombs at least (e: *usually, paveways definitely) aren't glide vehicles/they don't really fly, some of these are guidance kits you can slap onto unguided bombs (that didn't have front fins to begin with). In the case of the Paveway I think the rear fins are totally immobile. I know the Sidewinder has some control stuff going on in the rear fins, but once you're going Mach Several everything gets weird.
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Jul 14, 2023 01:55
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https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1679640915567075328 They've been able to train drone operators to effectively clear minefields using dropped explosives. This will help.
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Jul 14, 2023 02:07
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zone posted:https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/1679640915567075328 It's fascinating that the explosion seems to create an updraft in the process of creating the mushroom cloud. I wasn't aware that ATMs were THAT strong - I'm used to seeing thermobarics and other large hi-ex generate that void of air that creates a vacuum but I didn't think anti-tank mines would do it too. Really fascinating poo poo
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Jul 14, 2023 02:23
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Drone beats minefield, minefield beats MBT, MBT beats drone? If the Russians know this is how they're clearing mines (and are already keenly aware of drone uses), what can they threaten them with, and what do the Ukrainians need to counter that threat?
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Jul 14, 2023 02:25
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tiaz posted:True for aircraft. Bombs at least (e: *usually, paveways definitely) aren't glide vehicles/they don't really fly, some of these are guidance kits you can slap onto unguided bombs (that didn't have front fins to begin with). In the case of the Paveway I think the rear fins are totally immobile. oh whoops idk why i started thinking it's a missile, the concepts (except thrust component) are still the same tho once a plane speeds up & drops it i was just talking about the canards in the front, the fins in the back look like they only extend outward and are stabilizers to keep it from tumbling around the canards mid-maneuver/for airbraking it'd totally be possible to steer a bomb or something with the same kind of shape/weight entirely from the back but you'd need bigass control surfaces, probably too big to practically package once something's going significantly past mach 1 control surfaces have to be in the back of a swept/delta wing or in the tail or shockwaves tear things up and mach tuck drives you into the ground, i might be wrong but i don't think there's much supersonic stuff with canards, manned or unmanned. i know the French ninja turtle jet has them, but it looks like it just barely breaks mach 1 at sea level
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Jul 14, 2023 02:25
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I actually just misread the sidewinder question, I thought they were asking if they could be ground launched
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Jul 14, 2023 02:26
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FirstnameLastname posted:oh whoops idk why i started thinking it's a missile, the concepts (except thrust component) are still the same tho once a plane speeds up & drops it I mean it kinda looks like one! and yeah I don't think that I've seen gravity bombs that are steered from the rear fins. storm shadow (probably (?)) is but it's a cruise missile so it's a (comparatively strange but w/e) conventional aircraft, I imagine the rear surfaces are used for elevator but idk. canards and tail being useful for being far away from the center of gravity/lift is right on  Vaginaface posted:Drone beats minefield, minefield beats MBT, MBT beats drone? I would guess drone mine-clearing is probably too slow for using in preparation for an actual operation, leaving the mine clearing vehicles that use rockets to launch an explosive line that sets off a hundred meters or whatever's worth. if it takes you an hour or two to clear the obstacle the enemy has time to reinforce the line. Good way to clear mines without risking your EOD personnel though, especially once you control the area.
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Jul 14, 2023 02:34
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This is loving Russian Trump speak, holy poo poo DIFFICULT QUESTION, BIGGEST QUESTION EVER, SO DIFFICULT TulliusCicero fucked around with this message at 03:27 on Jul 14, 2023 |
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Jul 14, 2023 02:37
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tiaz posted:True for aircraft. Bombs at least (e: *usually, paveways definitely) aren't glide vehicles/they don't really fly, some of these are guidance kits you can slap onto unguided bombs (that didn't have front fins to begin with). In the case of the Paveway I think the rear fins are totally immobile. HonorableTB posted:More fins means more accuracy over distance due to less aerodynamic jostling. Ever play kerbal space program? Adding stabilizers to the cone section of a paveway achieves the same effect as putting stabilizer fins on the manned kerbal capsule (aerodynamics, air flow, and reducing drag)
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Jul 14, 2023 02:38
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Toxic Mental posted:Why do things like Paveways have stabilizers on the front? Is the weight in the middle in that case? It keeps the bomb from falling where it shouldn't. If it doesn't fall where it shouldn't then it will definitely fall where it should.
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Jul 14, 2023 02:39
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TulliusCicero posted:
Read it in this voice and style https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEUlW9IDXOw
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Jul 14, 2023 02:46
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Don't forget that Paveway's are technically just the kit that goes on, its used to convert non-guided bombs into guided bombs.
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Jul 14, 2023 02:52
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HonorableTB posted:It's fascinating that the explosion seems to create an updraft in the process of creating the mushroom cloud everyone knows that, it lets you pull out your paraglider to get enough height for the second phase of the boss
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Jul 14, 2023 03:15
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weg posted:It keeps the bomb from falling where it shouldn't. If it doesn't fall where it shouldn't then it will definitely fall where it should. The missile knows where it is, and where it should be. Unlike the missile, Russia does not know where it should be, and so finds itself where it shouldn't be, which is called error. Fortunately Ukraine knows where Russia should be, and knows how to remove Russia from where it is, which is where it shouldnt be.
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Jul 14, 2023 03:39
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CommieGIR posted:Don't forget that Paveway's are technically just the kit that goes on, its used to convert non-guided bombs into guided bombs. You're selling them short Paveways are kits to convert non-guided bombs from the 1950s into laser guided precision bombs. And the shape of those bombs was designed in the 1940s. It's like John Browning design levels of longevity.
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Jul 14, 2023 03:47
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While all you stupid Westoids chuckle about Lake NATO, I, a serious war understander, realize that NATO will be crushed like a troublesome insect. https://twitter.com/russophileLs/status/1679491675822104581?s=20
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Jul 14, 2023 03:56
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Are they still building more iron bombs then fitting paveways to them, or are they literally still burning through the cold-war stockpile of bombs?
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Jul 14, 2023 04:02
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The Lone Badger posted:Are they still building more iron bombs then fitting paveways to them, or are they literally still burning through the cold-war stockpile of bombs? I don't know if any cold war stocks are around but I believe they are still building dumb bombs and fitting guidance kits. I assume this is useful for shipping because you care differently about secret guidance components and not secret bulk explosives. The even newer Small Diameter Bomb, however, is all one thing afaik, and is never a dumb bomb. I don't think we have any dumb glide bombs. I was mistaken earlier; the JDAM is a guidance kit that doesn't have front fins at all. Paveway is laser guidance from the aircraft if equipped or people on the ground (and older than the others), JDAM is GPS/inertial, SDB is GPS/inertial.
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Jul 14, 2023 04:13
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beer_war posted:While all you stupid Westoids chuckle about Lake NATO, I, a serious war understander, realize that NATO will be crushed like a troublesome insect. beer_war posted:While all you stupid Westoids chuckle about Lake NATO, I, a serious war understander, realize that NATO will be crushed like a troublesome insect. Oh my god lol Russia is going to open up 7 fronts at once and encircle...the newest quarter of NATO which is *checks notes* 1/20th of its landmass or less. Before the rest of a 50 trillion dollar economy alliance does anything.
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Jul 14, 2023 04:29
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beer_war posted:While all you stupid Westoids chuckle about Lake NATO, I, a serious war understander, realize that NATO will be crushed like a troublesome insect. Very much one of those "not even living on the same planet" takes. Russia has shown for the past 500+ days that any move like this is laughably outside their abilites. Not only could they not beat NATO, I think they would get crushed. It wouldn't even be close. Ikasuhito fucked around with this message at 04:48 on Jul 14, 2023 |
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Jul 14, 2023 04:45
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Ikasuhito posted:Very much one of those "not even living on the same planet" takes. Russia has shown for the past 500+ days that any move like this is laughably outside their abilites. Not only could they not beat NATO, I think they would get crushed. It wouldn't even be close. Russia is willing to sacrifice a quarter of a million men because they are clearly winning. I mean the VDV is at the front so clearly they finally are dedicating their real army to the fight.
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Jul 14, 2023 04:50
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It's one of those things that you almost, Almost want them to give it a try, just because you know how badly humbled they would get. edit. In addition, at the fact that he acknowledges that air power would be important, and yet thinks that this would in anyway benefit russia
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Jul 14, 2023 04:52
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They could send the Helsinki police to arrest them all.
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Jul 14, 2023 04:53
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honestly at this point I wouldn't pick Russia against a bunch of armies that are buying equipment from them, let alone NATO
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Jul 14, 2023 05:12
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Russia is willing to sacrifice a quarter of a million men because they are clearly winning.
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Jul 14, 2023 05:14
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Okay I just watched a Russian guy pull out a Thompson machine gun and really felt astounded. Like lend lease guns? Jesus Christ I feel weird owning a mosin after all this poo poo Russia has done. I used to think it was a cool Nazi killing gat. But now meh
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Jul 14, 2023 05:16
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gently caress at this point, I expect Russia to compound bad decisions by saying they need to take the fight to NATO, invade Alaska, make it down to the Yukon and have just like, a dozen pissed off drunk Canadian hunters kill them all.
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Jul 14, 2023 05:17
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Oh my god lol Don’t worry, Russia has plenty of money… https://twitter.com/BusinessInsider/status/1679345683566870529?s=20 Whoops, maybe not.
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Jul 14, 2023 05:18
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bunnyofdoom posted:gently caress at this point, I expect Russia to compound bad decisions by saying they need to take the fight to NATO, invade Alaska, make it down to the Yukon and have just like, a dozen pissed off drunk Canadian hunters kill them all. The VDV gets bogged down by 12 gauge bird shot
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Jul 14, 2023 05:18
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The_Franz posted:Don’t worry, Russia has plenty of money…  Pretend I spent 300 hours in paint to make this
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scott ritter also loooves hosting douglas macgregor, who has been predicting ukraine's imminent defeat for 500 days and recently claimed that the russians destroyed 9 ukrainiam brigade hqs and killed a thousand officers as well as hundreds of NATO officers in a single night of strikes
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