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OctaMurk posted:scott ritter also loooves hosting douglas macgregor, who has been predicting ukraine's imminent defeat for 500 days and recently claimed that the russians destroyed 9 ukrainiam brigade hqs and killed a thousand officers as well as hundreds of NATO officers in a single night of strikes And a few days ago he said it was over and that POCCNR destroyed the entire Ukrainian army in Zaporizhzhia. 
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Jul 14, 2023 06:09
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If you divide 500 days into discrete de-naziing three day segments then that is a spectacular number of defeats suffered by Ukraine and they should reverse-retreat into that gross nippley bit of Poland that protrudes into natural Rus lands by the Slovak border that several prominent body doubles assure you they have no interest in conquering until 2031.
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Jul 14, 2023 06:25
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 Russia fired a Tor SAM at a... Quadcopter... And missed.. Lmao Nice look at a 9K331 missile as it zooms by though. Not sure how much the missile itself costs but the Tor system itself is $25 million per unit. The quadcopter is about $400
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Jul 14, 2023 06:37
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Putin is a real piece of poo poo. And he is losing.
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Jul 14, 2023 06:56
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Sedgr posted:Putin is a real piece of poo poo. That's what losers do.
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Jul 14, 2023 06:57
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One might say he's losing his poo poo.
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Jul 14, 2023 07:03
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bunnyofdoom posted:gently caress at this point, I expect Russia to compound bad decisions by saying they need to take the fight to NATO, invade Alaska, make it down to the Yukon and have just like, a dozen pissed off drunk Canadian hunters kill them all. They wouldn't make it through Alaska.
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Jul 14, 2023 07:18
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El Jebus posted:They wouldn't make it through Alaska. They wouldn't make it to Alaska, have you seen their navy?
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Jul 14, 2023 07:23
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tiaz posted:They wouldn't make it to Alaska, have you seen their navy? their navy would be lucky to make it past Kodiak
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Jul 14, 2023 07:24
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tiaz posted:They wouldn't make it to Alaska, have you seen their navy? Good point!
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Jul 14, 2023 07:34
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HonorableTB posted:
Private Conscriptovich isn't paying for the missile. He gets a bonus for every UAV he shoots down, though.
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Jul 14, 2023 07:35
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HonorableTB posted:
The little missile that could not.
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Jul 14, 2023 07:48
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beer_war posted:Private Conscriptovich isn't paying for the missile. He gets a bonus for every UAV he shoots down, though. Its actually very funny to me every nation withdrew all their outdated aa guns from service in lieu of AA missles, only to 10 years later need to re-develop it all when countries realised shooting a 500 dollar drone with a 250k missle isnt economically feasible.
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Jul 14, 2023 07:48
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Drone_Fragger posted:Its actually very funny to me every nation withdrew all their outdated aa guns from service in lieu of AA missles, only to 10 years later need to re-develop it all when countries realised shooting a 500 dollar drone with a 250k missle isnt economically feasible. It's that, or invest even more heavily into EW systems. And while America's top of the line EW systems are certainly capable, it again comes down to cost/benefit, and those aren't an option to anyone but America in any case.
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Jul 14, 2023 07:53
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I honestly expect to see anti-drone lasers in a couple of decades. They're fragile enough that the power you can put out is adequate, and it makes it easy to hit.
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Jul 14, 2023 07:54
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Drone_Fragger posted:Its actually very funny to me every nation withdrew all their outdated aa guns from service in lieu of AA missles, only to 10 years later need to re-develop it all when countries realised shooting a 500 dollar drone with a 250k missle isnt economically feasible. Russia didn't withdraw their AA gun as the Tunguska and Pantsir both have cannons. It just turns out that a cloud of 100's of contact fused 30mm rounds isn't a great option either. Neither is a radar/fire control system meant to shoot down full sized fixed wing or helicopters. Most of the new generation of gun based shorad is about taking a lower rate of fire cannon and giving it a really good sensor suite, smart ammo, and fire control system. Usually in a comparatively light package.
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Jul 14, 2023 08:01
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The Lone Badger posted:I honestly expect to see anti-drone lasers in a couple of decades. They're fragile enough that the power you can put out is adequate, and it makes it easy to hit. Agreed but like a decade max.
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Jul 14, 2023 08:06
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TulliusCicero posted:
PUTIN: Did you say "Putin?"
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Jul 14, 2023 08:12
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spankmeister posted:Agreed but like a decade max. Yeah, prototypes already exist and you can find ads for them on youtube. On the back of this conflict I'm sure those programs will be well funded even if it just winds up being for FOB/airbase defense and poo poo like that rather than trench network #43572.
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Jul 14, 2023 08:13
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XYZAB posted:Seeing that exploded ordnance view makes me wonder why they couldn't also mount a sidewinder to the tip of the vertical stabilizer just like they do at the tip of each wing. I can answer this. It’s because it’s a very bad idea when you have such a large angle occluded by the firing aircraft. Also, it’s a lot of drag. The tip-launched sidewinders get clear quicker than a further-back rail and it would absolutely gently caress your corner speeds if not smack into the bubble canopy, killing you without even detonating. Big advantage of the Viper is its ability to pull G’s because of the pilot’s more reclined position. You can pull 8G’s in a Viper much easier than you can in an F-15 or an F/A-18 because of the reclined seat. It’s a fantastic plane. Not that ACM is a feature of this war at all but the Viper loving rules.
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Jul 14, 2023 08:16
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Gomez Chamberlain posted:Big advantage of the Viper is its ability to pull G’s because of the pilot’s more reclined position. You can pull 8G’s in a Viper much easier than you can in an F-15 or an F/A-18 because of the reclined seat. It’s a fantastic plane. Not that ACM is a feature of this war at all but the Viper loving rules. Stressful viewing, but you can watch an F-16 pilot evade SAMs in the gulf. Anecdotes and all, but this was without chaff, apparently. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUjX1RntqVw
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Jul 14, 2023 08:25
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HonorableTB posted:
How much does the HIMARS rocket launched at the confirmed air defense location cost?
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Jul 14, 2023 08:28
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Bluemillion posted:How much does the HIMARS rocket launched at the confirmed air defense location cost? I think each missile cost about 20-25k.
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Jul 14, 2023 08:35
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tiaz posted:Yeah, prototypes already exist and you can find ads for them on youtube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6FbUiiwutQ Yup
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Jul 14, 2023 08:38
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Jul 14, 2023 08:44
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Der Kyhe posted:There is nothing inherently wrong on giving out "whatever you have left in the armory", especially if its automatic or semi-auto, if you have nothing else to give to your third line infantry patrolling supply routes and other secondary locations. But we are talking about Russia, the country famous for AK assault rifles that every anarchist, pirate, guerrilla, rebel, or cartel enforcer seems to have at least one always around. Like where are they getting the .45 caliber imperial unit ammo to use in a Tommy? I guess they could retool an ammo manufacturing plant to make them but that just means less 7.62 being made. edit: I guess you already talked about it, but I just wanted to chime in and say how dumb it all is. CannonFodder fucked around with this message at 09:03 on Jul 14, 2023 |
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Jul 14, 2023 09:01
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Prigozhin seized the nuclear sub fleet while everyone was watching the march on Moscow. he's already half colonised Antarctica with his all-male army of convict settlers, and 200 years from now their parthenogenetic descendants will make the internet so thoroughly unpleasant that the whole world unanimously decides to switch it off and go back to reading shampoo labels on the shitter
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Jul 14, 2023 09:12
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Warbadger posted:Russia didn't withdraw their AA gun as the Tunguska and Pantsir both have cannons. It just turns out that a cloud of 100's of contact fused 30mm rounds isn't a great option either. Neither is a radar/fire control system meant to shoot down full sized fixed wing or helicopters. Wouldn't going back to old-style timed fuzes be quite effective against drones? Much like early 20th century aircraft, they are slow, fragile, and fly at low altitude, so I would guess they can be taken down by airbursts pretty well? The fancy sensor suite you mentioned will be needed to spot and target the drat thing, but the ammunition ought to be as cheap as possible. I guess if Raytheon actually puts into production that laser-based system of theirs, that would be the winner. Surely it'll be expensive as hell to buy and maintain, but it ought to shoot down swarms of even Mavics for a negligible marginal cost. /armchair
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Jul 14, 2023 09:27
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bunnyofdoom posted:gently caress at this point, I expect Russia to compound bad decisions by saying they need to take the fight to NATO, invade Alaska, make it down to the Yukon and have just like, a dozen pissed off drunk Canadian hunters kill them all. The moose would destroy them. Yes moose is the plural of moose so I could say the moose army but perhaps it's just one at this rate.
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Jul 14, 2023 09:43
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The Lone Badger posted:I honestly expect to see anti-drone lasers in a couple of decades. They're fragile enough that the power you can put out is adequate, and it makes it easy to hit. And I know that top scientists in the US MIC are getting paid bank to figure this out. However, when a grunt-proof system of this arrives, it would still be super expensive, much like using a $250k missile to take out a $400 drone and miss because the operator did the "wait wait wait MOVE" tactic.
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Jul 14, 2023 10:06
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NihilCredo posted:Wouldn't going back to old-style timed fuzes be quite effective against drones? Much like early 20th century aircraft, they are slow, fragile, and fly at low altitude, so I would guess they can be taken down by airbursts pretty well? The fancy sensor suite you mentioned will be needed to spot and target the drat thing, but the ammunition ought to be as cheap as possible. Timed fuses programmed as they're fired seems to be the preferred way - so not far off from what you're suggesting.
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Jul 14, 2023 10:12
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I assume that in addition to land-based AA/SAM/EW systems (which while no doubt effective, involve placing an expensive, manned vehicle in harms way), militaries are also looking at the option of anti-drone drones. We've already seen a few videos of quadcopters awkwardly ramming each other and the like, but I have to imagine more specialised designs are being conceived.
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Jul 14, 2023 10:31
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Personally, I also wonder about how many naval crewmen ended up being drafted for the war.
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Jul 14, 2023 10:38
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The Russian Naval Infantry were used extensively during some of the more intense battles in mid-late 2022 (I can't remember exactly where), and if I remember were some of their most effective units at the time. And with much of the fleet effectively useless in the conflict (other than for taking occasional missile potshots, due to Ukraine ASMs in the Black Sea, and Turkey controlling the Straits), I would definitely image they are scraping whatever manpower they can from naval ships and bases, like they are from their various garrison and border military units across Russia.
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Jul 14, 2023 10:53
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https://twitter.com/maxseddon/status/1679761541174902786?s=20 Putin is a real piece of poo poo.
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Jul 14, 2023 11:09
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“Leftist” tank enjoyers now going to have to do a whole new corkscrew when they pretzel themselves into explaining how Russia is denazifying and should definitely win this war. “Can’t wait for Russia to win and absorb The Ukraine and implement these GREAT policies like [looks at article] criminalizing being trans. [shifty eyes] hey what’s that over there?” Toxic Mental fucked around with this message at 11:18 on Jul 14, 2023 |
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Jul 14, 2023 11:16
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Toxic Mental posted:“Leftist” tank enjoyers now going to have to do a whole new corkscrew when they pretzel themselves into explaining how Russia is denazifying and should definitely win this war. I think you'll find it will be managed without problem - the ability to cancel out anything Russia does with the infinite power of "Amerikkka bad" is still untested.
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Jul 14, 2023 11:18
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We are fully prepared to accommodate anyone who is about to have a genuine “…Are we the baddies?” moment btw It’s okay to admit you were wrong and join us on the side of Good
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Jul 14, 2023 11:19
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Toxic Mental posted:“Leftist” tank enjoyers now going to have to do a whole new corkscrew when they pretzel themselves into explaining how Russia is denazifying and should definitely win this war. Yeah, 'denazifying' by adopting similar tactics to the nazis - in that during a losing war they massively ramp up the victimisation and persecution of an already heavily marginalised and vulnerable segment of their own population - primarily due to the fact that the West is perceived to 'care' about that group. At 'best', its a horrifyingly cynical attempt to try to exert some kind of pressure or leverage by 'hostage taking', and maybe get some kind of concessions. And at worst, its an act of sheer malice and spite - directing their impotent rage at their own weakness and inability to win militarily toward an innocent group that has nothing to do with the war. gently caress Putin and everyone who supports him.
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Jul 14, 2023 11:24
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Toxic Mental posted:“Leftist” tank enjoyers now going to have to do a whole new corkscrew when they pretzel themselves into explaining how Russia is denazifying and should definitely win this war. Ah but you see senior Azov commander @hitler88 also hates trans people so who is to say if Russia is good or bad.
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