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Slavvy posted:That's not entirely fair That's very true and now I'm even more annoyed.
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Lobsterpillar posted:The primary goal of these two major parties is to get themselves re elected. Governing well is not their main concern (and maybe not a concern at all) Labour's done well by this country the past 6 years. Slavvy posted:That's not entirely fair And I work with an entirely new generation of right wing numpties. Blaming the olds is a fools errand and intellectually lazy to boot.
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Beartaco posted:Labour's done well by this country the past 6 years. Labour's major achievement was around Covid and it was a mix of luck, our natural isolation and their response. Very little positive policy was passed. Even if they wanted to, they were never going to make major changes or fix funding deficits without an increase in revenue.
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Beartaco posted:Labour's done well by this country the past 6 years. If your definition of 'well' is 'better than national' then yeah sure, the same way dysentery is better than cancer
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Slavvy posted:If your definition of 'well' is 'better than national' then yeah sure, the same way dysentery is better than cancer
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Labour have made a bunch of good changes and have made some small progress on poo poo like poverty and housing insecurity, but they've hardly been a transformational government. I'm not sure who genuinely expected them to be.
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Jul 13, 2023 20:57
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The problem isn't the government, it's public expectations. Do better nz
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Slavvy posted:The problem isn't the government, it's public expectations. Do better nz Unironically yes, it's a representative democracy so the government is constrained by public opinion.
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bike tory posted:they've hardly been a transformational government Isn't that one of the claims/promises they made to get elected?
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bike tory posted:Unironically yes, it's a representative democracy so the government is constrained by public opinion. This is why the power companies weren't sold off right?
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Jul 13, 2023 21:59
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 Perfect analogy for our political climate. It seems to be the same the world over. In The US it is republicans twisting things to the right and the democrats stopping things coming back left. In the UK it is Tory/Labour etc.
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Jul 13, 2023 22:48
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Weird, it's like they're beholden to a force they can't control
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Taitale posted:This is why the power companies weren't sold off right?
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Still mad about weed, ngl
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What's next, the fishhook?
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sebmojo posted:Still mad about weed, ngl couldn't even manage a cheeky decrim for the trouble
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Content to Hover posted:Labour's major achievement was around Covid and it was a mix of luck, our natural isolation and their response. Very little positive policy was passed. Even if they wanted to, they were never going to make major changes or fix funding deficits without an increase in revenue. How quickly we forget the United States whose government response cost the lives of hundreds of thousands of its citizens.
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More like 1.2-4 million depending how you count the US death toll.
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Excess deaths over the whole period are an average per country of ~350 per 100k. The US had around ~550 per 100k, so yeah 1.6 million people died in the US that wouldn't have under normal circumstances. NZ had -12 per 100k, so assuming instead we would have hit that average around 16,000 additional people would have died if we had done nothing.
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Beartaco posted:How quickly we forget the United States whose government response cost the lives of hundreds of thousands of its citizens. This thread is for pissing and moaning and bitching, we don't discuss positive things here.
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Beartaco posted:How quickly we forget the United States whose government response cost the lives of hundreds of thousands of its citizens. I called it their major achievement. It gave them the first total majority under MMP, which could have been used to great positive effect if that had been their intention. Big changes require big spending, which means either cuts or taxes. They are a caretaker government until National/ACT can actively make things worse, so I struggle to to see how "Labour's done well by this country the past 6 years."
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I think being better than the Americans on any given point is not really an amazing accolade, it's really the bare minimum
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Slavvy posted:I think being better than the Americans on any given point is not really an amazing accolade, it's really the bare minimum one that the overwhelming majority of the world whiffed
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redleader posted:one that the overwhelming majority of the world whiffed Not arguing they didn't, just about everyone else's government is absolutely terrible, that doesn't make ours great
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Slavvy posted:I think being better than the Americans on any given point is not really an amazing accolade, it's really the bare minimum In this case I think we actually can take the w
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Content to Hover posted:I called it their major achievement. It gave them the first total majority under MMP, which could have been used to great positive effect if that had been their intention. Big changes require big spending, which means either cuts or taxes. in your opinion, should governments reflect the will of their voters?
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The will of the voters is set by media discourse which is set by capital and voting is a safety valve scam
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slavvy i have a 105 R7000 hydro disc groupy just lying around looking for a good home if you're interested
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exmarx posted:in your opinion, should governments reflect the will of their voters? Oh, I am not trying to imply that we don't deserve Labour. Just that they aren't that great.
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Sphyre posted:slavvy i have a 105 R7000 hydro disc groupy just lying around looking for a good home if you're interested I wish I had that kind of money
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Content to Hover posted:I called it their major achievement. It gave them the first total majority under MMP, which could have been used to great positive effect if that had been their intention. Big changes require big spending, which means either cuts or taxes. You see voters rewarded labour with a historic majority to say well done for handling COVID, the voters didn't actually want labour to do anything other than miraculously solving all the cost of living issues without changing anything that affects them personally
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https://www.thepost.co.nz/a/politics/350036677/pm-determined-win-all-costs-price-labours-soulquote:Jacinda Ardern won a landslide victory on a cautious, centrist platform. Her government had a mandate to tackle the country’s housing, climate and poverty crises. 
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They did nothing about housing because they're too left is certainly a take Words mean nothing now, I'm sure it's fine
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Labour is dominated by radical progressive leftists? First I've heard of it.
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 That is a very dumb slogan when so many people are struggling.
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https://thespinoff.co.nz/politics/13-07-2023/so-this-is-how-the-story-ends
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I'm not angry or disappointed, just very tired Eventually that'll turn into impotent rage I guess
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Slavvy posted:I'm not angry or disappointed, just very tired Ironically a wealth tax would pay several times over Nationals bloody pothole fund
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good news https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/132532167/can-winston-peters-ride-a-freedom-wave-to-parliament
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