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Here's the CE thread before this one got started. January 2022 is available too
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cr0y posted:Does anyone have any links to the threads immediately before the invasion? (archives no doubt). Id be fascinated to read how it was going down hour to hour and day today. This is the first GBS thread: World War Threead: Ukraine's counter offensive is a ploy to win the war. BBC was somehow the first one to call the start of the invasion proper, on page 24: Big Beef City posted:It's started. Bonus points for this, a few pages later: Cream-of-Plenty posted:In memoriam, Finland will join NATO and pledge to "be the best Ukraine it can be."
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Jul 16, 2023 17:47
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Watch Finland join a NATO
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Jul 16, 2023 17:52
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Handsome Ralph posted:My favorite was "Aircraft carriers are completely useless now thanks to missiles!" What's everyone's favorite dumb "<mainstay military equipment> is useless thanks to <military equipment I don't really understand>" take?
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Jul 16, 2023 18:17
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Kchama posted:Oh wow, WRN is Mark Ames. That would explain why he's so drat wrong and stupid. No. It's John Dolan, who co-hosts a podcast with Ames. Dolan's qualifications: - his doctoral thesis at Berkeley was "Sadean sympathy: genre, pathos and intention in the fiction of the Marquis de Sade". - won the Berkeley Poetry Prize in 1988 - Taught at a university in New Zealand - Married a student - Edited eXile, where he hooked up with the Ames/Levine crowd. - Taught ESL in Saudi. - Taught poetry in Iraq - Edited NSFWCorp, the tech VC-funded Vegas-based successor to eXile with much of the same people - read a lot of Jane's. Basically, he's a scruffy granola grover.
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Jul 16, 2023 18:19
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GD_American posted:
Sounds like that would crumble easily
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Jul 16, 2023 18:43
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cr0y posted:Does anyone have any links to the threads immediately before the invasion? (archives no doubt). Id be fascinated to read how it was going down hour to hour and day today. The current Cold War/Air Power thread has been open since 2020, and Putin's announcement of the "special military operation" is on page 505, so you can go backwards from there for stuff in the days/weeks leading up, or forwards for more goon reaction as stuff unfolded (There's also a fair bit of crossover between that thread and this one).
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Jul 16, 2023 18:58
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Herstory Begins Now posted:IDK if it's even about rot so much as 1) the plan itself was unworkable and built on huge misestimations of Ukrainian strength and resolve (and ultimately of foreign response, as well) 2) the plan did not play to Russia's strengths and comparative advantages and 3) the opening blunders crippled Russia's offensive power in a way that they could not rapidly recover from. Had Russia started the war with their traditional doctrine of maximizing artillery mismatch and grinding Ukraine down instead of trying to capture the country intact within hours, we might be having a different conversation. Russia's artillery capabilities historically have been far less affected by 'rot' than most of their other capabilities. Got this part wrong tho "No one will meet the Russian army with bread, salt and flowers in Ukraine" Those flowers made the news.
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Jul 16, 2023 18:59
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Does anyone have the post of the guy explaining how Russian troops get fresh bread baked twice daily?
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Jul 16, 2023 19:04
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This is a long drone video of assault at Russian trench. Interesting footage showing how such an assault proceeds. Lot's of casualties. Does make me think that a claymore drone could be quite useful.quote:A longer video of an (older) assault on Russian positions by assault units of the 3rd separate assault brigade, the 28th brigade and TERRA unit in the area of Kurdyumivka. https://twitter.com/NOELreports/status/1680168273634099202
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Jul 16, 2023 19:05
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psydude posted:Does anyone have the post of the guy explaining how Russian troops get fresh bread baked twice daily? Not far off They get meat cube now
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Jul 16, 2023 19:07
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cr0y posted:Does anyone have any links to the threads immediately before the invasion? (archives no doubt). Id be fascinated to read how it was going down hour to hour and day today. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3992479 Here's the February 2022 current events thread. Archives not needed. lol beaten
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Jul 16, 2023 19:32
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Coquito Ergo Sum posted:What's everyone's favorite dumb "<mainstay military equipment> is useless thanks to <military equipment I don't really understand>" take? Honestly, either "carriers are useless cause of missiles!" or "tanks are obsolete because of ATGM!" The number of people I saw parroting the later for the few few months of the invasion was just, lol. Combined arms is not a hard concept to grasp and yet.
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Jul 16, 2023 19:37
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Coquito Ergo Sum posted:What's everyone's favorite dumb "<mainstay military equipment> is useless thanks to <military equipment I don't really understand>" take? Don't say you like the A-10 or a bunch of nerds will jump on you.
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Jul 16, 2023 19:40
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Handsome Ralph posted:Honestly, either "carriers are useless cause of missiles!" or "tanks are obsolete because of ATGM!" There are also a ton of people who seem to think that carriers independently deploy and go into hostile coastal waters to launch missions.
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Jul 16, 2023 19:57
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Stultus Maximus posted:There are also a ton of people who seem to think that carriers independently deploy and go into hostile coastal waters to launch missions. Maybe they played too much hostile waters and carrier command?
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Jul 16, 2023 20:10
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kill me now posted:It reminds me about the fears leading up to Desert Storm and how the Iraqi army was this battle hardened 4th largest military in the world at the time and how the US and coalition forces were in for a big knock down drag out fight. Weren't these fears the result of grifters who wanted to sell their particular beloved weapon systems and/or tactics while not having any real clue if they were good or bad stoking poo poo and being amplified by the media? GD_American posted:No. It's John Dolan, who co-hosts a podcast with Ames. Thanks for the correction! For some reason Google cut off Dolan's name and showed Ames so I had the wrong idea.
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Jul 16, 2023 20:31
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psydude posted:Does anyone have the post of the guy explaining how Russian troops get fresh bread baked twice daily? Check my post history in this thread, I think my earliest posts here were mocking that. e: my second post, responding to someone who quoted a CSPAM post.
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Jul 16, 2023 20:59
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Icon Of Sin posted:Check my post history in this thread, I think my earliest posts here were mocking that. Oh right, it was the guy who doxxed himself (pretty futilely) to prove that Russians will win forever. "The Russians don't need logistics like NATO does, they have infinite tanks and supplies already."
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Jul 16, 2023 21:05
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Icon Of Sin posted:Check my post history in this thread, I think my earliest posts here were mocking that. Lol holy poo poo I just looked at bread guy's post history in that thread. Frosted Flake posted:Russia doesn’t need to call up Reserves for units with the BTG organization. That was the point of those army reforms. A hard core of professional all-year fighting power with no reservists or conscripts. Frosted Flake posted:Even if they have limited goals, and I hate to say it, you don’t half-rear end the conduct of operations. Frosted Flake posted:Okay, I want everyone to pay attention:
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Jul 16, 2023 21:12
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Holy poo poo, someone was more wrong than loving grover
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Jul 16, 2023 21:19
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Holy poo poo, someone was more wrong than loving grover Funny how by March he stopped posting anything about Ukraine and Russia.
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Jul 16, 2023 21:21
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That amount of carrying that if was doing lol
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Jul 16, 2023 21:21
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Comrade Blyatlov posted:Holy poo poo, someone was more wrong than loving grover I am suspicious the poster in question tends to avoid this subforum. Would I be near the mark?
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Jul 16, 2023 21:25
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he didn't use to my favorite ff story is he posted one day that his wife gave him an ultimatum to waste less time posting about ukraine online so he was going to be around posting less. he lasted about one day before he was back posting full-time again
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Jul 16, 2023 21:26
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What was really funny was how they were convinced that the Russian thrust towards Kyiv was about to totally encircle the city a week after everyone else had realised that the attack had stalled out and was at significant risk of getting rolled up by its own flanks.
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Jul 16, 2023 21:27
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Alchenar posted:What was really funny was how they were convinced that the Russian thrust towards Kyiv was about to totally encircle the city a week after everyone else had realised that the attack had stalled out and was at significant risk of getting rolled up by its own flanks. I noted that at the time and was really worried I was missing updates because all I was reading was the RuAF getting it's poo poo pushed in anytime if moved forward.
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Jul 16, 2023 21:29
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They used to post here. This forum used to have a sizeable Greenwald tankie population; I'm guessing they were a part of it.
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Jul 16, 2023 21:31
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Stultus Maximus posted:Funny how by March he stopped posting anything about Ukraine and Russia. He still posts where nobody disagrees with him.
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Jul 16, 2023 21:33
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Rust Martialis posted:He still posts where nobody disagrees with him. Ah an Epstein thread poster LMAO Fake edit: eat my rear end in a top hat you antivax fucks
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Jul 16, 2023 21:37
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There's people who have read every dumb and obviously wrong in both hindsight, foresight, and sight post, nod and go "You are the most correct person I have seen."
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Jul 16, 2023 21:37
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McNally posted:https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3992479 Thanks, it's been absolutely wild re-reading how this went down back in Feb of 2022. Like... https://twitter.com/MattMcBradley/status/1497672326606950409?t=yvafl0WXIrvtWHT-Rk1K3w&s=19
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Jul 16, 2023 21:38
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Handsome Ralph posted:My favorite was "Aircraft carriers are completely useless now thanks to missiles!" I mean. Current gen hypersonics may make that a reality. It'll just take the U.S. and China going into an all out shooting war to see if he's right. 
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Jul 16, 2023 21:42
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AlternateNu posted:I mean. Current gen hypersonics may make that a reality. It'll just take the U.S. and China going into an all out shooting war to see if he's right. They'll make aircraft carriers exactly as obsolete as the machine gun has made infantry obsolete.
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Jul 16, 2023 21:45
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AlternateNu posted:I mean. Current gen hypersonics may make that a reality. It'll just take the U.S. and China going into an all out shooting war to see if he's right. IIRC, China's hypersonics are based largely upon Russian tech. Russian hypersonics have been routinely shot down by Patriot PAC-II and PAC-IIIs. I'd expect Aegis to be even better.
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Jul 16, 2023 21:47
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A.o.D. posted:They'll make aircraft carriers exactly as obsolete as the machine gun has made infantry obsolete. Eeeeehhhh. I don't think the two are comparable, but that's beyond the scope of the thread. psydude posted:IIRC, China's hypersonics are based largely upon Russian tech. Russian hypersonics have been routinely shot down by Patriot PAC-II and PAC-IIIs. I'd expect Aegis to be even better. This is what everyone hopes. There's a lot of theory beyond the threat, and it'll be interesting if nothing else if things actually come to fires.
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Jul 16, 2023 21:52
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AlternateNu posted:I mean. Current gen hypersonics may make that a reality. It'll just take the U.S. and China going into an all out shooting war to see if he's right. He was making this claim circa ~2003 or so. Like yeah sure, if hypersonics work in reality as they do on paper, he might be right, but making that claim 20 or so years ago doesn't make him "right". It's also failing to remember this, Stultus Maximus posted:There are also a ton of people who seem to think that carriers independently deploy and go into hostile coastal waters to launch missions. Honestly a lot of his stupid as gently caress takes suppose the USN shrugs at new developments in adversarial tech and don't bother to do anything to counter/protect their ships.
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Jul 16, 2023 21:53
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Kchama posted:Weren't these fears the result of grifters who wanted to sell their particular beloved weapon systems and/or tactics while not having any real clue if they were good or bad stoking poo poo and being amplified by the media? Some of it was, but some was real concern. America hadn't faced an enemy as combat capable at scale since the 60s. Saddam had just fought one of the bloodiest wars in recent memory. His Army had combat experience, and masses of military age males through conscription. His Army had been getting various technical and tactical upgrades during the Iraq Iran War from various world players.
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Jul 16, 2023 21:54
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Handsome Ralph posted:He was making this claim circa ~2003 or so. Like yeah sure, if hypersonics work in reality as they do on paper, he might be right, but making that claim 20 or so years ago doesn't make him "right". Oh, yeah. I know. 
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bulletsponge13 posted:Some of it was, but some was real concern. America hadn't faced an enemy as combat capable at scale since the 60s. Yeah but that wouldn't have scared people near that much if we hadn't kept being told our navy could easily be crushed by a fleet of motorbikes with anti-ship missile launchers and light-speed comms and teleportation devices because we had too much technology. Kchama fucked around with this message at 22:08 on Jul 16, 2023 |
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